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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Sphynnxx View Post
    And before you know it, they'll all be coming out of the woodwork "He once breathed in my direction... in 1996."

    By no means mocking those who truly suffered at the hand of some people and were too afraid to speak up at the time, however a lot of cases you hear and read about these days make a fool of the process and see it as an opportunity to get money and ruin innocent peoples lives.
    The ball will bounce back so fucking hard, and therein lies the tragedy. Most humans seems to operate on the extremes, just take a look at fitness, it kinda started there 20 years ago. Before it had to be evidence to convict a man, soon it's gonna be merely a rumor, and before you know it, all women are lying witches, burn them.

  2. #122
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    Older version was better, don't care whose voice was that.

  3. #123
    I do actually like the new voice actor honestly. Maybe because it's re-recorded and just sounds a bit cleaner, but yeah, the average player wouldn't even notice.

  4. #124
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    I don't mind the new voice actor but the "For....Quel'thalas" when you defeat Kael at Tempest Keep the old one much better voicing that line. He sounds shocked, surprised, and sad, while the new one is just barely any emotions.

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Niroshi View Post
    New guy doesn't really hit the same as the old voice, but it was the same with Medivh when they switched him too. Not a big deal.
    Agree. Hearing the voices side by side I think the original guy sounds a bit more menacing, cynical and arrogant... but it's fairly minor and I wouldn't even notice that it had been changed if I hadn't been told about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by choom View Post
    Sounds exactly the same except the new version has more reverb than the old
    The difference is very minor... I doubt even 5% of people would have noticed it had been changed if they hadn't been told.

    Even if someone had told me it had been changed i'd still struggle to discern the difference...

  6. #126
    the new voice is too breathy and soft. old voice was cutting and sinister. new voice is just some edgelord.

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    Makes you realize how few lines he had when both old and new can fit in such a short video... too bad silly americans can't just move on with the new guy without upending all the work of the previous one. It's not like any would've noticed or cared.

    Didn't think we'd get ingame r-io without ingame meters to go with it. Ridiculous really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noremorze View Post
    Oh look, the deplorables crying about cancel culture again. People like you is why people don't come forward.
    No, that is a pathetic statement.


    Don't really care about the voices either way. But still another step towards feelings being more important than facts.

  9. #129
    Remember folks! It's only harassment if the guy is ugly and/or poor! If he's rich and/or a hunk, it's called flirting with confidence!

  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Niroshi View Post
    New guy doesn't really hit the same as the old voice, but it was the same with Medivh when they switched him too. Not a big deal.
    They brought back Medivh's original WC3 voice actor, Michael Bell, for Hearthstone, Heroes of the Storm and Legion. TBC is the only instance where Medivh is voiced by Cam Clarke.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    How is it difficult to grasp why people are against cancel culture?
    "Cancel culture" is not even a thing. It's business as usual, like it has always been.

    The only reason it's talked about, is because people are actively looking for them now. Because some influential enough people got "canceled", and whined hard enough.
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    Money laundering, especially prior to his election? I couldn't give a flying fuck.

  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    No, that is a pathetic statement.


    Don't really care about the voices either way. But still another step towards feelings being more important than facts.
    The only "feelings over facts" I see here are people losing their minds and crying themselves into dehydration because a voice actor who was a super creep lost a gig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kel_Sceptic View Post
    Somethimes I just pray that PC Culture will find some nasty things about Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Linus Torvalds, Samuel Hurst, Sir Timothy John Berners-Lee, Jack Dorsey, Noah Glass, Biz Stone, Evan Williams, Mark Zuckerberg, and some other big Inventor names that complete this Internet / Hardware / Software social interaction as a whole, so the PC Cancel Culture cult can stop using all of those hardware and softwares, mediums and devices, so we could live in a normal/human world where we KNOW there is good and bad, but we know how to approach that, by selecting what is good from everything and everyone and canceling/repairing/acknowledging what is bad from everything and everyone.
    Maybe it's just that none of those people are weird sex creeps.

    It's amazing how many people want to die on the hill of defending sex creeps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinaa View Post
    The allegations against Quinton Flynn are ridiculous. There is no evidence what so ever. Ruining a man's career like this is a joke.
    There's an audio recording and numerous accusers who have provided separate screenshots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azmoden View Post
    Remember folks! It's only harassment if the guy is ugly and/or poor! If he's rich and/or a hunk, it's called flirting with confidence!
    Quinton Flynn is a pretty big and successful celebrity in the world of voice acting, so.... try again?
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  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    Who cares if the voice actor of Kaelthas has allegations against him (from the article linked looks like nothing was illegal?). The voice actor =/ the character in the video game. This is so retarded.
    It becomes harder to prepare for voice recording when your voice actor might end up in jail.

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Nite92 View Post
    Can we please stop cancelling people that early? Nowadays I feel like everyone thinks he is a detective.

    There will be an investigation and a trial if necessary. I know that with sexual assault/grooming years ago, it is very unlikely that even a guilty person will be convicted. But what should we do?
    Announcing people guilty, just based on accusations, is imo, very dangerous for a democracy. That is what dictatorships do.

    Also, if you think that this is so wrong.... Feel free to come up with a better system, to decide guilt in these cases.
    Being a creepy pervert isn't a crime.

    Ya'll are fucking out there. Where did you get the idea that we go to court just to prove someone is a weirdo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pper View Post
    Imagine that you can only come forward with something like that if the person you accuse is getting cancelled immediately
    What use is it to the victim? why can't you wait until a real court of law reaches a verdict?


    Anyone on twitter paused his witch hunt until it was proven true? You better believe you will get destroyed if anyone accuses you of anything on twitter way before your countries judicial system can clear you of your charges
    What would "proven true" look like? Maybe voice recordings, multiple independent accusers with screenshots, and the accused himself resorting to bizarre "I WAS HACKED" defenses? Because that already happened. You guys picked the wrong hill to die on with this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yas-Queen Rochana View Post
    Most often it's the people who claim they don't do it or get the most upset about others doing it, who are secretly doing it themselves.
    Let me wrap my head around this logic: It's not the people defending this behavior that approve of it... it's the people who don't approve of it that actually approve of it?

    Rock solid logic buddy.
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  15. #135
    All i have to say is to leave justice to the courts.
    I am not confortable with verdict before trial.

    I don't see the point in altering the old lines. It's disrespectful of the work the original VA did, regardless of his alleged behaviour outside the studio.

  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    "Cancel culture" is not even a thing. It's business as usual, like it has always been.

    The only reason it's talked about, is because people are actively looking for them now. Because some influential enough people got "canceled", and whined hard enough.
    Actively looking? It's usually MSM or news post like these that produce titles such as "removed due to allegations". Believing it's a thing or not is sort of irrelevant as well... you know what people talk about, yes? It's the fact that allegations = guilty in the public eye. You saying it's business as usual, doesn't change the fact that a lot of people do think that it's wrong that allegations is enough to warrant someone to be fired or removed quickly. All that is saying is that you don't care about it, others do however and for good reasons. A lot of "bad things" throughout history has been "business as usual" so that's not even an argument to begin with.

    I personally don't like it where society is heading when it comes to things like this. People being so quick to pick sides and demand actions rather than stepping back and take in information and make a decision. That goes both ways, both the ones defending the actions same as the ones condemning it.
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  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    Actively looking? It's usually MSM or news post like these that produce titles such as "removed due to allegations". Believing it's a thing or not is sort of irrelevant as well... you know what people talk about, yes? It's the fact that allegations = guilty in the public eye. You saying it's business as usual, doesn't change the fact that a lot of people do think that it's wrong that allegations is enough to warrant someone to be fired or removed quickly. All that is saying is that you don't care about it, others do however and for good reasons. A lot of "bad things" throughout history has been "business as usual" so that's not even an argument to begin with.

    I personally don't like it where society is heading when it comes to things like this. People being so quick to pick sides and demand actions rather than stepping back and take in information and make a decision. That goes both ways, both the ones defending the actions same as the ones condemning it.
    If your kids went to a school where there was a teacher who was accused by multiple girls of sexually harassing them, there were screenshots of his DMs to them, and there was an audio recording of him saying sexual things to a girl, would you tolerate his presence in the school for one single second after that? No, you wouldn't. You wouldn't sit there pontificating about the need for a trial and his right to be around your children until the courts prove something. Get a fucking grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swnem View Post
    All i have to say is to leave justice to the courts.
    I am not confortable with verdict before trial.

    I don't see the point in altering the old lines. It's disrespectful of the work the original VA did, regardless of his alleged behaviour outside the studio.
    Very little he is accused of is potentially a crime. He is mostly just accused of being a really creepy, pushy weirdo that leaves girls creepy sex messages and texts. That's not necessarily a crime, but it's certainly enough to warrant not wanting your brand associated with him.

    Or do you think there should be no such thing as firing someone for anything but a crime?
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  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Alatie View Post
    Always good to see allegations are enough to insta cancel somebody instead of waiting for it to be true but hey ho cancel culture is the hype nowadays innocent until proven guilty is just a joke from the past to most people now.
    There are audio recordings of him making highly inappropriate sexual comments.

    There are also MANY claims against him. He's not famous enough to attract that level of attention if there wasn't something in it.

    That's enough for it not to be unreasonable of Blizzard to want to disassociate from him.

    What would constitute an acceptable level of proof of it being true for you?

  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    Actively looking? It's usually MSM or news post like these that produce titles such as "removed due to allegations". Believing it's a thing or not is sort of irrelevant as well... you know what people talk about, yes? It's the fact that allegations = guilty in the public eye. You saying it's business as usual, doesn't change the fact that a lot of people do think that it's wrong that allegations is enough to warrant someone to be fired or removed quickly. All that is saying is that you don't care about it, others do however and for good reasons. A lot of "bad things" throughout history has been "business as usual" so that's not even an argument to begin with.

    I personally don't like it where society is heading when it comes to things like this. People being so quick to pick sides and demand actions rather than stepping back and take in information and make a decision. That goes both ways, both the ones defending the actions same as the ones condemning it.
    As I previously said, Blizzard has been working with this guy for a long time now. They know this guy better than you or myself, and whether there might be merit to these allegations or not. The "side" I'm picking, is the one where Blizzard is able to make decisions for themselves, and whether or not working with this guy might potentially hurt their reputation or not. Blizzard is not obligated to offer a job for him. I doubt this decision was made on a whim. Blizzard is like any Triple-A cunt these days, where money is everything. And deciding to replace all of his voice-lines comes with a cost.

    This is not a situation where society is heading anywhere in particular. It's what it has always been, as I said. A business doesn't want to be associated with a person anymore. That's all there is to this story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransath View Post
    Money laundering, especially prior to his election? I couldn't give a flying fuck.

  20. #140
    The new voice actor isn’t bad. It’s a bit jarring at first, and the original VA does have a distinct sneering, sinister, creepy tone to his lines the new one is not quite up to. For new players, or even people who just haven’t heard the lines often enough to have it really stand out it’s not a big deal.

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