the new voice is too breathy and soft. old voice was cutting and sinister. new voice is just some edgelord.
the new voice is too breathy and soft. old voice was cutting and sinister. new voice is just some edgelord.
Makes you realize how few lines he had when both old and new can fit in such a short video... too bad silly americans can't just move on with the new guy without upending all the work of the previous one. It's not like any would've noticed or cared.
Didn't think we'd get ingame r-io without ingame meters to go with it. Ridiculous really.
Remember folks! It's only harassment if the guy is ugly and/or poor! If he's rich and/or a hunk, it's called flirting with confidence!
The only "feelings over facts" I see here are people losing their minds and crying themselves into dehydration because a voice actor who was a super creep lost a gig.
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Maybe it's just that none of those people are weird sex creeps.
It's amazing how many people want to die on the hill of defending sex creeps.
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There's an audio recording and numerous accusers who have provided separate screenshots.
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Quinton Flynn is a pretty big and successful celebrity in the world of voice acting, so.... try again?
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
Being a creepy pervert isn't a crime.
Ya'll are fucking out there. Where did you get the idea that we go to court just to prove someone is a weirdo?
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What would "proven true" look like? Maybe voice recordings, multiple independent accusers with screenshots, and the accused himself resorting to bizarre "I WAS HACKED" defenses? Because that already happened. You guys picked the wrong hill to die on with this one.
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Let me wrap my head around this logic: It's not the people defending this behavior that approve of it... it's the people who don't approve of it that actually approve of it?
Rock solid logic buddy.
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
All i have to say is to leave justice to the courts.
I am not confortable with verdict before trial.
I don't see the point in altering the old lines. It's disrespectful of the work the original VA did, regardless of his alleged behaviour outside the studio.
Actively looking? It's usually MSM or news post like these that produce titles such as "removed due to allegations". Believing it's a thing or not is sort of irrelevant as well... you know what people talk about, yes? It's the fact that allegations = guilty in the public eye. You saying it's business as usual, doesn't change the fact that a lot of people do think that it's wrong that allegations is enough to warrant someone to be fired or removed quickly. All that is saying is that you don't care about it, others do however and for good reasons. A lot of "bad things" throughout history has been "business as usual" so that's not even an argument to begin with.
I personally don't like it where society is heading when it comes to things like this. People being so quick to pick sides and demand actions rather than stepping back and take in information and make a decision. That goes both ways, both the ones defending the actions same as the ones condemning it.
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If your kids went to a school where there was a teacher who was accused by multiple girls of sexually harassing them, there were screenshots of his DMs to them, and there was an audio recording of him saying sexual things to a girl, would you tolerate his presence in the school for one single second after that? No, you wouldn't. You wouldn't sit there pontificating about the need for a trial and his right to be around your children until the courts prove something. Get a fucking grip.
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Very little he is accused of is potentially a crime. He is mostly just accused of being a really creepy, pushy weirdo that leaves girls creepy sex messages and texts. That's not necessarily a crime, but it's certainly enough to warrant not wanting your brand associated with him.
Or do you think there should be no such thing as firing someone for anything but a crime?
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
There are audio recordings of him making highly inappropriate sexual comments.
There are also MANY claims against him. He's not famous enough to attract that level of attention if there wasn't something in it.
That's enough for it not to be unreasonable of Blizzard to want to disassociate from him.
What would constitute an acceptable level of proof of it being true for you?
As I previously said, Blizzard has been working with this guy for a long time now. They know this guy better than you or myself, and whether there might be merit to these allegations or not. The "side" I'm picking, is the one where Blizzard is able to make decisions for themselves, and whether or not working with this guy might potentially hurt their reputation or not. Blizzard is not obligated to offer a job for him. I doubt this decision was made on a whim. Blizzard is like any Triple-A cunt these days, where money is everything. And deciding to replace all of his voice-lines comes with a cost.
This is not a situation where society is heading anywhere in particular. It's what it has always been, as I said. A business doesn't want to be associated with a person anymore. That's all there is to this story.
The new voice actor isn’t bad. It’s a bit jarring at first, and the original VA does have a distinct sneering, sinister, creepy tone to his lines the new one is not quite up to. For new players, or even people who just haven’t heard the lines often enough to have it really stand out it’s not a big deal.
Sure, you put up a specific scenario when I talk about broader picture of allegations. Not really comparable.
It's like you coming up with a scenario of a murderer killing my three kids and me wanting to kill the mfer even though I'm against the death penalty. "lol you would want to kill this dude if this happened to you" probably yeah... but there's also a reason why victims should rarely decide the fate of someone. It's why you are not allowed to kill someone unless it's in self defense even if they killed someone you hold dear. It has to do with what kind of society you want to live in.
In your situation, ignore the evidence(also requires verified evidence), because that surely changes things dramatically. Lets say there was just allegations, no proof of any sort that have been posted to anyone or anything. I would call for a temporary leave during the investigation of the ordeal. That way you remove them from the victims if true for protection but not yeeting someone before we even know they are guilty or not.
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New voice is terrible. Those puritans are ruining my game. Stop it.
Sure absolutely. Anyone can do whatever they want. Same as I can voice my opinion on it... I don't like it, and the fact that it's "business as usual", as you say, makes it worse. I wish we head away from this business because in the end this also hurts real victims. Because extreme measures on one side often results in equal extremes on the other. I think you can't deny that in any allegation case or, hell, any criminal case that's ongoing often leads to 2 sides harassing each other... I just wish that wasn't a thing. That includes death threats to victims as well as the accused and sometimes even violence... all because people made up their mind instantly.
As I said, it's all about the society you want to live in, if you are OK with this, sure... I don't agree with it though.
also, to clarify, I've been talking about allegations and cancelations on quick notice in general rather than this specific case if that wasn't clear.
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