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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    Sure, you put up a specific scenario when I talk about broader picture of allegations. Not really comparable.
    It's like you coming up with a scenario of a murderer killing my three kids and me wanting to kill the mfer even though I'm against the death penalty. "lol you would want to kill this dude if this happened to you" probably yeah... but there's also a reason why victims should rarely decide the fate of someone. It's why you are not allowed to kill someone unless it's in self defense even if they killed someone you hold dear. It has to do with what kind of society you want to live in.

    In your situation, ignore the evidence(also requires verified evidence), because that surely changes things dramatically. Lets say there was just allegations, no proof of any sort that have been posted to anyone or anything. I would call for a temporary leave during the investigation of the ordeal. That way you remove them from the victims if true for protection but not yeeting someone before we even know they are guilty or not.
    But there *is* physical evidence here, and corroborating allegations are evidence too.

    Or is your argument that if a dozen girls accuse a teacher of touching them, the teacher should only be fired if there is a video?
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  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    Thank you for taking a break from you're male feminist rally planning to comment on my post.

    1) You're twisting my words to create a different narrative and calling that new narrative stupid.

    2) Lol okay dude. Good luck with thinking that isn't the case. Let me know how that works out for you.

    3) From what I've gathered, they're fans of his. He flirted with them thinking they're fans and they like him.

    4) Are you assuming you know what I think cancel culture is?
    I love how you think being a male feminist is the pejorative you think it is.

    1) Ah yes the ultimate defense of "That's not what I meant, idiot!"...while not actually explaining what you meant.

    2) Oh I was mistaken then. It was pulled out of your ass. My bad.

    3) It's power dynamics 101. He was grooming underaged fans as well.

    Even setting all that aside, being a fan of someone is not an invitation for sexual harassment.

    4) Typically those who complain about cancel culture, have the wrong idea of it. So yep.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by NineSpine View Post
    But there *is* physical evidence here, and corroborating allegations are evidence too.

    Or is your argument that if a dozen girls accuse a teacher of touching them, the teacher should only be fired if there is a video?
    Cool, and I don't talk about this specific case, I talk about allegations leading to cancelations in general.
    I also gave an answer to your new question in my quote. I suggest reading it, if you did you would realise that's not at all what I said.
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    preferer the old voice, way more emotion in each of the words.

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    Cool, and I don't talk about this specific case, I talk about allegations leading to cancelations in general.
    I also gave an answer to your new question in my quote. I suggest reading it, if you did you would realise that's not at all what I said.
    Enjoy your fictional, hypothetical scenarios. I'll be over here dealing with the real world if you need me.

    "But what if the situations was totally different! Then things would be different!" is apparently what passes for critical thought these days.
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  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by NineSpine View Post
    Brands might not want to be associated with a creepy weirdo regardless of the legal status of his actions.
    So if a girl you hooked up with publishes online private sexual things, you should lose your job because a puritarian find it creepy ? Just found out the audio, and well that's just private stuff people can do. Nothing particular.
    I was pretty sure that things like revenge porn were illegal.

  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Tarba View Post
    So if a girl you hooked up with publish online private sexual things, you should lose your job because a puritarian find it creepy ? Just found out the audio, and well that's just private stuff people can do. Nothing particular.
    I see we have another person that can't understand the difference between unsolicited and solicited sexual messages. Do you also find it confusing that when someone wants to have sex with you it is fine, but if they don't it isn't fine?
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  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by NineSpine View Post
    Enjoy your fictional, hypothetical scenarios. I'll be over here dealing with the real world if you need me.

    "But what if the situations was totally different! Then things would be different!" is apparently what passes for critical thought these days.
    You're saying this after you threw a hypothetical at me? Oh boy... thanks for the laugh.
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  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    You're saying this after you threw a hypothetical at me? Oh boy... thanks for the laugh.
    I threw a hypothetical where there was evidence, to correlate with a situation where there is evidence. You want to talk about situations where there isn't evidence as though that is meaningful. "I know he is guilty, but hear me out, what if someone is accused and THERE ISN'T EVIDENCE?!?!?!" This is even lower than stoned-out dorm room philosophy.
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  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Yas-Queen Rochana View Post
    Just telling you it as it is.

    It's usually the people who are really invested in telling everyone how "bad" something is who get caught actually really being into it themselves.
    So, according to your logic, it isn't NAMBLA and other child molestation advocates that approve of child molestation, it is actually people who disapprove of child molestation that want to molest children?

    This is how you think the world works?
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  11. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarba View Post
    So if a girl you hooked up with publishes online private sexual things, you should lose your job because a puritarian find it creepy ? Just found out the audio, and well that's just private stuff people can do. Nothing particular.
    I was pretty sure that things like revenge porn were illegal.
    "Should"?

    And it's not a new phenomenon, where you are fired, based on your facebook messaging, and whatnot. Based on, yes, your private life. Which is why you should be somewhat careful what you post publicly, because chances are, your employer will check it out.

    Again, this is nothing new.
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  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by NineSpine View Post
    I threw a hypothetical where there was evidence, to correlate with a situation where there is evidence. You want to talk about situations where there isn't evidence as though that is meaningful. "I know he is guilty, but hear me out, what if someone is accused and THERE ISN'T EVIDENCE?!?!?!" This is even lower than stoned-out dorm room philosophy.
    You are way off with your understanding of what I've said. You do you, I leave you to it.
    PS. nice moving of goalposts with the hypothetical btw.

    Enjoy your day.
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  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    You are way off with your understanding of what I've said. You do you, seems like being irrational through emotion is your schtick, I leave you to it.
    PS. nice moving of goalposts with the hypothetical btw.

    Enjoy your day.
    I hope you enjoyed kicking over the pieces and declaring victory.

    I'll still be over here in the real world if you need me. Enjoy your fantasy scenarios.
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  14. #154
    Personally don't like the pauses in the new voiceover , unless they are separate lines to be stitched together to flow better

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Spacewalrus2010 View Post
    I love how you think being a male feminist is the pejorative you think it is.

    1) Ah yes the ultimate defense of "That's not what I meant, idiot!"...while not actually explaining what you meant.

    2) Oh I was mistaken then. It was pulled out of your ass. My bad.

    3) It's power dynamics 101. He was grooming underaged fans as well.

    Even setting all that aside, being a fan of someone is not an invitation for sexual harassment.

    4) Typically those who complain about cancel culture, have the wrong idea of it. So yep.
    People who complain about cancel know where it will lead, if you can weaponise social discorse to ruin someone life, the someone somewhere regardless of: gender, background, religion, political vieuws will due so.

    Granted Flynn is likely guilty, however there are plenty people who got canceled who later turned out to innocent or the accusation holds no water, example: call me carson was texting a 17 year old, however carson was 19 at time.
    Is that him using his status to gain something yes, does that make a pedo no.

    Then we have the depp v heard situation. Depp got crusified, heard who was the real perp got of scott free.

  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by NineSpine View Post
    I see we have another person that can't understand the difference between unsolicited and solicited sexual messages. Do you also find it confusing that when someone wants to have sex with you it is fine, but if they don't it isn't fine?
    Yeah I don't know what is a solicited sexual message. An answer to "hey can you send me a sexual message?". Also bring actual evidences not claims. I'm not a random retarded twitter user. I tend to wait to have actual informations.

    Can't find the whole conversation but before that audio it was "niiiiiiiice you are a sexy minx!" answered by a "<3 for you" by the woman. Then sexual audio message, Answered by "hehe I can let me see if I can find out how to reply".
    So based on solely that it seemed pretty flirty.

  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Tarba View Post
    Yeah I don't know what is a solicited sexual message. An answer to "hey can you send me a sexual message?". Also bring actual evidences not claims. I'm not a random retarded twitter user. I tend to wait to have actual informations.

    Can't find the whole conversation but before that audio it was "niiiiiiiice you are a sexy minx!" answered by a "<3 for you" by the woman. Then sexual audio message, Answered by "hehe I can let me see if I can find out how to reply".
    So based on solely that it seemed pretty flirty.
    I'm not surprised at all that you can't understand the concept of sexual messages being appropriate sometimes and not other times. Does it also confuse you that it is OK to be nude in your shower but not at the mall? Does it confuse you that it is ok for me to kiss my wife without asking but not ok for me to approach random women and start kissing them? Are these hard concepts for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yas-Queen Rochana View Post
    I'm not saying it's my opinion or my logic. It's objective reality that people continuously get found out being really into something secretly while out in public they are the loudest ones to cry foul when others are caught doing it.
    Right, so by your logic, it isn't the National Man-Boy Love Association that approves of pedophilia, it is actually child welfare activists that approve of pedophilia.

    Rock solid logic my man, rock solid.
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  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by TehTemplar View Post
    What does it matter tho? Should we digitally replace Kevin Spacey in all the movies he was in? Or maybe ban all the movies that Harvey Weinstein produced?
    The difference being

    A) Media is removed from sale all the time because of issues like this. When was the last time you saw "Song of the South" on sale anywhere?
    B) U like those, they're going to be rereleasing Burning Crusade, so this is something they'd have to address.

  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by bowlink View Post
    People who complain about cancel know where it will lead, if you can weaponise social discorse to ruin someone life, the someone somewhere regardless of: gender, background, religion, political vieuws will due so.

    Granted Flynn is likely guilty, however there are plenty people who got canceled who later turned out to innocent or the accusation holds no water, example: call me carson was texting a 17 year old, however carson was 19 at time.
    Is that him using his status to gain something yes, does that make a pedo no.

    Then we have the depp v heard situation. Depp got crusified, heard who was the real perp got of scott free.
    Call Me Carson was exchanging nude photos with an underage person when he was an adult person. If you don't see why that is an issue, I don't really know what to tell you, but I would advise you to refrain from trading underaged pornography no matter if you are 19 or 49.

    Some innocent people end up in jail, but that doesn't mean we get rid of jails. Socially unacceptable behavior means some people will get accused unfairly. If your primary concern is the handful of fringe, extreme cases where someone is treated unfairly, rather than the millions of actual serious abuse issues that go unreported, it is clear what your priorities are and where your real sympathies lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yas-Queen Rochana View Post
    You keep claiming it has anything to do with "logic". It's not. It's just how it happens in reality / in practice.
    Stop dodging. Who approves of pedophilia:

    1. The pro-pedophilia organizations.
    2. The anti-pedophilia organizations.
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  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by NineSpine View Post
    I'm not surprised at all that you can't understand the concept of sexual messages being appropriate sometimes and not other times. Does it also confuse you that it is OK to be nude in your shower but not at the mall? Does it confuse you that it is ok for me to kiss my wife without asking but not ok for me to approach random women and start kissing them? Are these hard concepts for you?
    Well the way it looks she sent him a sexy picture. He called her sexy, she answered "for you" and he ended up sending a bland sexual audio message, she answered with "hehe I can let me see if I can find out how to reply". So yeah seems to me that there are some signals that it was appropriate at the moment. Before and after.
    Of course you might disagree because her lawyer didn't sent him a letter stipulating he could do such a thing. I might be out of touch.
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