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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    You know employees, ex-employees, and contractors have said similar things about SpaceX? Both are headed by egotistical sociopaths who expect employees to lay down everything for the company. SpaceX doesn't have fast turnaround times because they respect work-life balance. The FAA has been bumping shoulders with SpaceX for a while now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Both are headed by egotistical sociopaths who expect employees to lay down everything for the company.
    You dare impugn the honor of Daddy Musk? This insult shall not stand, good sir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    You know employees, ex-employees, and contractors have said similar things about SpaceX? Both are headed by egotistical sociopaths who expect employees to lay down everything for the company. SpaceX doesn't have fast turnaround times because they respect work-life balance. The FAA has been bumping shoulders with SpaceX for a while now.
    Oh sure, I would be worried if there weren't safety issues being brought up. IIRC at the start of SpaceX, on the last flight to make or break them, one of the engineers did something totally insane/"unsafe", which made the launch work - but could have easily gotten him killed. Of course they are sometimes unsafe - that's what most corporations do, push the limits to succeed/profit. But that's not the issue.

    The issue for me is that if we assume the same behavior from both said sociopaths, then the pretend space-tourist ought to just STFO and get out of the way. Blue Dipshits puts people into "space" for several minutes. SpaceX reconnected the United States to the ISS, and did it while pioneering self landing rockets.

    There isn't even a discussion to be had on who should be heading up the private portion of the moon landing effort.

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    You dare impugn the honor of Daddy Musk? This insult shall not stand, good sir!
    Impugn him all you want - he's got plenty to be strung up about. But the quality and success of SpaceX is objective at this point. The other two space tourists are just play acting.

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    Personally I don't see the problem in using a single contractor on something, as long as you don't use that contractor for everything.

    I.E let SpaceX build the lunar lander and let another company build the next space station or shuttle.

    A good point here being, if the moon landers and command modules of the Apollo program had both been designed by the same company Instead of Grumman and.... somebody else. Then they would have both used the same air filters, and the Apollo 13 astronauts wouldn't have nearly died of CO2 poisoning while trying to duct tape together a bodge to make them interchangeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caervek View Post
    Personally I don't see the problem in using a single contractor on something, as long as you don't use that contractor for everything.

    I.E let SpaceX build the lunar lander and let another company build the next space station or shuttle.

    A good point here being, if the moon landers and command modules of the Apollo program had both been designed by the same company Instead of Grumman and.... somebody else. Then they would have both used the same air filters, and the Apollo 13 astronauts wouldn't have nearly died of CO2 poisoning while trying to duct tape together a hodge to make them interchangeable.
    Actually, if they'd just required that the air filters be the same shape and size they would've been fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Impugn him all you want - he's got plenty to be strung up about. But the quality and success of SpaceX is objective at this point. The other two space tourists are just play acting.
    can we discuss how inspiration 4 lasted several days where as both tourism missions from VG and BO lasted minutes, maybe hours

    Don't get me wrong, I've got bones to pick with SpaceX, mostly their fanbase, but SpaceX has earned it's wings recently. National Team and others have not.

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    can we discuss how inspiration 4 lasted several days where as both tourism missions from VG and BO lasted minutes, maybe hours

    Don't get me wrong, I've got bones to pick with SpaceX, mostly their fanbase, but SpaceX has earned it's wings recently. National Team and others have not.
    Minutes, literally. Like 15 minutes, IIRC.
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    Starliner is now so delayed that NASA is planning to offload some of the Starliner astronauts on SpaceX launches instead: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021...tended-delays/

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    Starliner is now so delayed that NASA is planning to offload some of the Starliner astronauts on SpaceX launches instead: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021...tended-delays/
    Aaand it's official: https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/n...crew-missions/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilithvia View Post
    can we discuss how inspiration 4 lasted several days where as both tourism missions from VG and BO lasted minutes, maybe hours

    Don't get me wrong, I've got bones to pick with SpaceX, mostly their fanbase, but SpaceX has earned it's wings recently. National Team and others have not.
    Exactly. Precisely.

    SpaceX is cutting edge ahead-of-literally-everyone technology, auto landing orbital rockets on boats and putting the U.S. back on the map for manned missions while the other two did about as much "space time" as the 727 weightless training jet does, just a little higher up. It's beyond ridiculous to compare the three companies. Only one is actually a privatized space launch company. The other two are tourists.

    It's laughable the Bezo's sued for the moon lander project - Blue Origin has never, ever, put anything into orbit. Still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerraw View Post
    Starliner is now so delayed that NASA is planning to offload some of the Starliner astronauts on SpaceX launches instead: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021...tended-delays/
    Starliner could still be years from launching, they just don't know. It could go off the pad early 2022, too. This manned mission offload to SpaceX is huge, however, in suggesting that Starliner is suffering more problems than has been reported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Starliner could still be years from launching, they just don't know. It could go off the pad early 2022, too. This manned mission offload to SpaceX is huge, however, in suggesting that Starliner is suffering more problems than has been reported.
    https://blogs.nasa.gov/kennedy/2021/...test-2-status/

    Current goal is test flight in first half of 2022. It would then be crew test flight in second half (assuming nothing goes wrong again). We probably won't see first operational flight until 2023.

    Starship will be solidly orbital before Starliner flies actual missions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Oh sure, I would be worried if there weren't safety issues being brought up. IIRC at the start of SpaceX, on the last flight to make or break them, one of the engineers did something totally insane/"unsafe", which made the launch work - but could have easily gotten him killed. Of course they are sometimes unsafe - that's what most corporations do, push the limits to succeed/profit. But that's not the issue.

    The issue for me is that if we assume the same behavior from both said sociopaths, then the pretend space-tourist ought to just STFO and get out of the way. Blue Dipshits puts people into "space" for several minutes. SpaceX reconnected the United States to the ISS, and did it while pioneering self landing rockets.

    There isn't even a discussion to be had on who should be heading up the private portion of the moon landing effort.

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    Impugn him all you want - he's got plenty to be strung up about. But the quality and success of SpaceX is objective at this point. The other two space tourists are just play acting.
    What did "he" do?

    If I go and buy a smithy do I suddenly become a master blacksmith?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    What did "he" do?

    If I go and buy a smithy do I suddenly become a master blacksmith?
    He climbed into the rocket and sheared off part of an engine nozzle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    What did "he" do?

    If I go and buy a smithy do I suddenly become a master blacksmith?
    You Musk haters are fucking adorable. Please, just stop.

    You're the silly puss who things the fish should get all the credit for the Cioppino. It's the chef that puts it all together. In this case the chef is also a sous-chef.

    If you don't know what "he" did, then read back through this and other posts. If you're asking for some juvenile bait post, well, we already knew that, so congrats on being both predictable and sophomoric.

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    He climbed into the rocket and sheared off part of an engine nozzle.
    Exactly. And about a billion other things.

    Themius knows all this. The Musk Haters of MMO know all his achievements, his education, and what "he" has done for space travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    You Musk haters are fucking adorable. Please, just stop.

    You're the silly puss who things the fish should get all the credit for the Cioppino. It's the chef that puts it all together. In this case the chef is also a sous-chef.

    If you don't know what "he" did, then read back through this and other posts. If you're asking for some juvenile bait post, well, we already knew that, so congrats on being both predictable and sophomoric.

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    Exactly. And about a billion other things.

    Themius knows all this. The Musk Haters of MMO know all his achievements, his education, and what "he" has done for space travel.
    The chef is a cook himself who usually worked his way up there... Musk is the person who buys some real estate where a restaurant was, and then puts money into it... he is not the chef.

    What "billion other" things?

    Also you instantly call me a musk hater because you're one of his fucking fanboys. Can't even fucking critique the union busting, coup backing, pandemic conspiracy theory bullshit artist, because his fans say he can do no wrong.

    Please...

    I literally said buying something doesn't make him an expert, is that fucking "hater" speech now? My fucking god....


    You lot are just as rabid as trump fans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    The chef is a cook himself who usually worked his way up there... Musk is the person who buys some real estate where a restaurant was, and then puts money into it... he is not the chef.
    He is precisely the chef. It's truly embarrassing that you don't understand even this simple analogy. If you're confused about what he's done, do some research. Don't post your bullshit here.

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    What "billion other" things?
    You mean design and construct a space venture company? Those "billion things? How fucking ignorant are you on this subject. Fucking Musk haters...pathetic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Also you instantly call me a musk hater because you're one of his fucking fanboys. Can't even fucking critique the union busting, coup backing, pandemic conspiracy theory bullshit artist, because his fans say he can do no wrong.
    I call you a Musk Hater because you are - period. Objectively. Factually. You consistently post here attempting your sophomoric bullshit, never giving credit where credit is due. It's ok, you hate him, that's fine - everyone can have their opinion. But if you lie, well, you'll get called out on it, every time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    I literally said buying something doesn't make him an expert, is that fucking "hater" speech now? My fucking god....
    No, you literally asked what he did. If you forget your own posts, you can look them up - we'll wait. Meanwhile, in reality land, Musk built up the largest and most successful space venture enterprise in human history. His expertise in many fields is legion. You ignoring that and constantly asking "what did 'he' do" makes you an ignorant hater.

    It's not our fault you're a Musk Hater. You did that, not us.

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    You lot are just as rabid as trump fans.
    Rofl - look how pathetic you're lot has become. We call you out for what you are, and all you have left is some silly trump analogy.

    It's pathetic how you Musk haters come into a discussion and ruin with your biased bullshit. We're all just sick and tired of it. You hate him, can't be bothered to be intellectually honest enough to give credit where credit is due, and then are stupid enough to not understand how ridiculous your original analogy is.

    We're all on record pointing out Musk's many faults - and there are many. Sociopaths usually have a boat load. But his engineering prowess and amazing space venture success is literally second to none. Let us know when you're ready to be intellectually honest and you'll get an invite back to the table. Until then, we'll call you what you are - an irrational Musk Hater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    He is precisely the chef. It's truly embarrassing that you don't understand even this simple analogy. If you're confused about what he's done, do some research. Don't post your bullshit here.


    You mean design and construct a space venture company? Those "billion things? How fucking ignorant are you on this subject. Fucking Musk haters...pathetic.


    I call you a Musk Hater because you are - period. Objectively. Factually. You consistently post here attempting your sophomoric bullshit, never giving credit where credit is due. It's ok, you hate him, that's fine - everyone can have their opinion. But if you lie, well, you'll get called out on it, every time.


    No, you literally asked what he did. If you forget your own posts, you can look them up - we'll wait. Meanwhile, in reality land, Musk built up the largest and most successful space venture enterprise in human history. His expertise in many fields is legion. You ignoring that and constantly asking "what did 'he' do" makes you an ignorant hater.

    It's not our fault you're a Musk Hater. You did that, not us.


    Rofl - look how pathetic you're lot has become. We call you out for what you are, and all you have left is some silly trump analogy.

    It's pathetic how you Musk haters come into a discussion and ruin with your biased bullshit. We're all just sick and tired of it. You hate him, can't be bothered to be intellectually honest enough to give credit where credit is due, and then are stupid enough to not understand how ridiculous your original analogy is.

    We're all on record pointing out Musk's many faults - and there are many. Sociopaths usually have a boat load. But his engineering prowess and amazing space venture success is literally second to none. Let us know when you're ready to be intellectually honest and you'll get an invite back to the table. Until then, we'll call you what you are - an irrational Musk Hater.
    Musk built it because he has enough money to throw around to build it... that doesn't make him mystical. Musk has ideas, and enough money to see those ideas become real (except the fucking impossible stupid ones of course like the hyperloop you were so excited about that you attacked everyone for questioning it, science be damned)

    Look how rabidly you defend Musk. You are attacking me like I personally insulted you People have called you out for that bullshit since the start of this thread. You jump down everyone's throat for even questions musk. AND I ASKED A FUCKING QUESTIONS TO GIVE YOU SPACE TO FILL ME IN ON THINGS I MAY NOT KNOW and what did you decide to do but TAKE A FUCKING SHIT ON ME because I dared question Musk? The fuck is wrong with you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Musk built it because he has enough money to throw around to build it... that doesn't make him mystical. Musk has ideas, and enough money to see those ideas become real (except the fucking impossible stupid ones of course like the hyperloop you were so excited about that you attacked everyone for questioning it, science be damned)
    Musk built SpaceX because he had the vision and engineering prowess to do what literally no one else did. He certainly built it on the backs of giants, there can be no doubt now or ever that NASA are the true pioneers here, but Musk took some design specs and revolutionized space launch ventures, at the same time getting the United States back on the map of launching humans into outer space.

    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Look how rabidly you defend Musk.
    You mean, look how much I call out Haters on their bullshit posts? We'll show you for the liar you are a little later, but just remember, you started this with your "what did 'he' do?" post. Knowing all along what Musk had done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    You are attacking me like I personally insulted you People have called you out for that bullshit since the start of this thread.
    Whoops. Here's where you're a liar. Objectively. Do you see below where you innocently claim to just be asking for examples of what Musk did? But now you point out that you've read the entire thread? The thread where Musk's contributions have been at least outlined? Nice try. Can you post "my bullshit" from this thread? We'll wait.

    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    You jump down everyone's throat for even questions musk. AND I ASKED A FUCKING QUESTIONS TO GIVE YOU SPACE TO FILL ME IN ON THINGS I MAY NOT KNOW and what did you decide to do but TAKE A FUCKING SHIT ON ME because I dared question Musk? The fuck is wrong with you?
    Everyone's? No. I call out the irrational haters that pop up in these. I do it because I'm sick of people's dishonesty. You're shitting all over yourself. We're just calling you out on it. The intellectual dishonesty you show here is almost legion. It's fucking adorable you're trying to turn this into some innocent little post where somehow you are the victim. Talk about rabid trump fans....

    If it was some innocent question, I guess you don't remember anything of the other threads you've read and posted on re Musk and SpaceX?

    However, I pride myself on intellectual honesty, and admitting mistakes when I make them (or when I'm wrong). So, on the very low probability off chance that you were merely asking for a list of contributions of Musk, and I completely misunderstood your intentions, what questions do you have about SpaceX and Musk's achievements in the space launch industry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Musk built SpaceX because he had the vision and engineering prowess to do what literally no one else did. He certainly built it on the backs of giants, there can be no doubt now or ever that NASA are the true pioneers here, but Musk took some design specs and revolutionized space launch ventures, at the same time getting the United States back on the map of launching humans into outer space.


    You mean, look how much I call out Haters on their bullshit posts? We'll show you for the liar you are a little later, but just remember, you started this with your "what did 'he' do?" post. Knowing all along what Musk had done.


    Whoops. Here's where you're a liar. Objectively. Do you see below where you innocently claim to just be asking for examples of what Musk did? But now you point out that you've read the entire thread? The thread where Musk's contributions have been at least outlined? Nice try. Can you post "my bullshit" from this thread? We'll wait.


    Everyone's? No. I call out the irrational haters that pop up in these. I do it because I'm sick of people's dishonesty. You're shitting all over yourself. We're just calling you out on it. The intellectual dishonesty you show here is almost legion. It's fucking adorable you're trying to turn this into some innocent little post where somehow you are the victim. Talk about rabid trump fans....

    If it was some innocent question, I guess you don't remember anything of the other threads you've read and posted on re Musk and SpaceX?

    However, I pride myself on intellectual honesty, and admitting mistakes when I make them (or when I'm wrong). So, on the very low probability off chance that you were merely asking for a list of contributions of Musk, and I completely misunderstood your intentions, what questions do you have about SpaceX and Musk's achievements in the space launch industry?
    Musk vision isn't special... a lot of it is centuries old.. we just have better tech and he has a lot of money. A lot of people have vision and dreams they just don't have the money to make them real For forgive me if I don't jizz when Musk sends out a dancing mime and doubt he'll have a fully working robot by 2022.

    I was asking what did he "do". Not what were his ideas that he had money to throw at (everyone has visionary ideas) to become real, not which company did he buy and who did he hire. but what did he do. The way you people talk it is as if, if musk didn't exist we wouldn't be where we are in space today. though I suspect the issue lies in cutting funding over and over and over and over to space programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Musk vision isn't special... a lot of it is centuries old.. we just have better tech and he has a lot of money. A lot of people have vision and dreams they just don't have the money to make them real For forgive me if I don't jizz when Musk sends out a dancing mime and doubt he'll have a fully working robot by 2022.

    I was asking what did he "do". Not what were his ideas that he had money to throw at (everyone has visionary ideas) to become real, not which company did he buy and who did he hire. but what did he do. The way you people talk it is as if, if musk didn't exist we wouldn't be where we are in space today. though I suspect the issue lies in cutting funding over and over and over and over to space programs.
    Ok, fair enough.

    Elon Musk built from scratch, using his money and engineering prowess, a space launch venture wherein the cost of launching things to space has been cut by an order of magnitude. SpaceX/Musk pioneered reusable rockets. SpaceX/Musk put the United States back into human launch capability. The list literally goes on and on.

    Musk is no saint, and I would bet money that he's actually an asshole. But his brilliance and engineering genius and organization abilities are bare for all to see. Literally no one else has done what he's done, not even NASA (although Musk used NASA's stuff to build SpaceX - I can expand on that if I'm not making sense).

    If you're actually looking for a history and list of achivements, you can look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

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