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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    and didn't the Romans consider Anglo-Saxons to be barbarians? pretty sure most of "the Aryan race" at that time weren't friends with them.
    They were in India...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    King Leopold II of Belgium was cutting off the hands and feet of Africans who didn't make quotas or dared to cause trouble in the Congo. This was the late 19th Century. It's just one example of colonial atrocities committed by Europeans. Here's another one, Europeans purposefully spreading smallpox to Native Americans in the 17th and 18th centuries.

    There's plenty of European brutality and cruelty that is just as bad as the Aztecs ripping hearts out of sacrificial victims, and much of it far more recent than the Aztecs themselves. Don't be willfully ignorant.
    There is really only one documented case in where some Franco-Swiss mercenaries serving under the British Crown wrote in their journals about trying to infect Native Americans during a siege. The issue is that the Natives looted clothes and blankets from a hospital that were infected from patients with smallpox as well. Everything else is debatable.

    Also, don't forget that the accounts about the Aztecs were written primarily by Spanish Priests. Who could have inflated or misrepresented the Aztecs to make them appear more barbaric as well.

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    The irony that MAGAts are spooging over Roman culture which crucified socialists of a certain religious creed is not lost on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    and didn't the Romans consider Anglo-Saxons to be barbarians?
    No, Anglo-Saxons didn't yet exist. When the Romans were running Britain (which was then full of Britons and Picts), the Saxons (who certainly were considered barbarians) were still living in Saxony. Available evidence says they didn't begin to significantly migrate to the isles until after the Romans left in 410.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post

    Also, don't forget that the accounts about the Aztecs were written primarily by Spanish Priests. Who could have inflated or misrepresented the Aztecs to make them appear more barbaric as well.
    While it is true that the spaniards tried to paint the aztecs in the worst possible light, archaeology suggests that most of their sacrifice reports are actually true.

    There is other evidence too, because the aztecs (as newcomers and conquererors) weren't exactly liked by the other peoples living there, so there are other sources for the amount/gruesomeness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    It's literally white supremacist revisionist horseshit. The whole image of gleaming alabaster-white buildings and statues of Ancient Greece and Rome, all that white everywhere. Which was pretty explicitly adopted by the USA on its creation; just look at the major buildings and memorials in DC, like the Capitol Building or the Lincoln Memorial.

    Because, y'see, the problem is that Ancient Greece and Rome were never gleaming pure beacons of white architecture and sculpture. It's literally a false viewpoint, used to suppress the riotously colored truth; https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...ical-sculpture
    https://www.romaexperience.com/rome-...-ancient-rome/

    All that architecture and sculpture was painted.
    They probably wouldn’t have been big fans of the prejudice thoughts of Romans due to skin colour.

    Light skin has too much blood. Light skin meant good for battle but not intelligent but still brave.

    Dark skin meant shrewd and smart but cowards who would run from a fight. But Romana of course being neither too dark or light were the perfect balance. Not rushing off into battle due to overly brave and British white skin. And not too dark to the point they become shrewd tricksters who are pure cowards running away from a fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Hitler even called Slavs aryan, based on nothing, but political advantage. WASP was the ideal, which didn’t allow for variation. WASP was the ideal used in Britain, in part due to Saxons being invaded by the Germanic.
    no... we were called untermensch...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    No, Anglo-Saxons didn't yet exist. When the Romans were running Britain (which was then full of Britons and Picts), the Saxons (who certainly were considered barbarians) were still living in Saxony. Available evidence says they didn't begin to significantly migrate to the isles until after the Romans left in 410.
    alright, fair enough. my point is and I suppose others have touched on this is this idea that Romans were "white" the modern interpretation of that word anyway, is comical since the Romans would have more than likely stabbed these peoples ancestors than anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    alright, fair enough. my point is and I suppose others have touched on this is this idea that Romans were "white" the modern interpretation of that word anyway, is comical since the Romans would have more than likely stabbed these peoples ancestors than anything.
    Fun History Facts; the Angles and the Saxons were Germanic tribes, and shared a fair bit of background/culture with other Germanic tribes further East. Those other groups were the ones who the Greeks encountered, and labelled "barbarians". And "barbarian" is an ethnic slur; it's making fun of how (to ancient Greek ears), their language sounded like "bar bar bar" nonsense.

    Yep, "barbarian" is as much a racist ethnic slur as if we called Chinese people "Chingchongians".

    It's particularly silly seeing the legacy of white supremacism using "barbarian" as a slur against other cultures, when it's a slur that was created to describe their ethnic origins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Fun History Facts; the Angles and the Saxons were Germanic tribes, and shared a fair bit of background/culture with other Germanic tribes further East. Those other groups were the ones who the Greeks encountered, and labelled "barbarians". And "barbarian" is an ethnic slur; it's making fun of how (to ancient Greek ears), their language sounded like "bar bar bar" nonsense..
    I did not know that tidbit! good to know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    While it is true that the spaniards tried to paint the aztecs in the worst possible light, archaeology suggests that most of their sacrifice reports are actually true.

    There is other evidence too, because the aztecs (as newcomers and conquererors) weren't exactly liked by the other peoples living there, so there are other sources for the amount/gruesomeness.
    Part of why the Spanish defeated the Aztecs so quickly (in addition to, you know, guns, armor and disease) was that the Spanish allied themselves with all of the neighboring tribes who absolutely hated the Aztecs who oppressed them.


    However I think this cultural superiority thing is nonsense regardless. Every society has demons if you dig deep enough. Hell, most of them you don’t have to dig very deep.

    As in like, “pretty much any society from 50+ years ago would be largely unacceptable today.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Part of why the Spanish defeated the Aztecs so quickly (in addition to, you know, guns, armor and disease) was that the Spanish allied themselves with all of the neighboring tribes who absolutely hated the Aztecs who oppressed them.


    However I think this cultural superiority thing is nonsense regardless. Every society has demons if you dig deep enough. Hell, most of them you don’t have to dig very deep.

    As in like, “pretty much any society from 50+ years ago would be largely unacceptable today.”
    The norse did human sacrifices to Odin! And so did probably all northern germanic tribes that worshipped those particular dieties before Roman syncrinisation.
    Same as at some temples Zeus got human sacrifices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    Also, don't forget that the accounts about the Aztecs were written primarily by Spanish Priests. Who could have inflated or misrepresented the Aztecs to make them appear more barbaric as well.
    Let's not also forget that for all their uh... Civility... The Romans would ritually strangle prisoners in front of the temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus during the Triumphs.

    It's basically equivalent to Aztec ritual sacrifices

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Let's not also forget that for all their uh... Civility... The Romans would ritually strangle prisoners in front of the temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus during the Triumphs.

    It's basically equivalent to Aztec ritual sacrifices
    Also the whole “empire built on the backs of slaves,” “women were forbidden from engaging in any political spheres,” and “they watched people wholesale kill each other for sport” parts probably don’t hold up well either.


    And while these neo-nazi stains might not hate those parts, they would then however disapprove of Rome’s far more favorable views on homosexuality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    And while these neo-nazi stains might not hate those parts, they would then however disapprove of Rome’s far more favorable views on homosexuality.
    So what he sleeps with men. Everyone does!
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    And then she cancels it, because of enormous pushback from the GOP, and denies she even started it in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Fun History Facts; the Angles and the Saxons were Germanic tribes, and shared a fair bit of background/culture with other Germanic tribes further East. Those other groups were the ones who the Greeks encountered, and labelled "barbarians". And "barbarian" is an ethnic slur; it's making fun of how (to ancient Greek ears), their language sounded like "bar bar bar" nonsense.

    Yep, "barbarian" is as much a racist ethnic slur as if we called Chinese people "Chingchongians".

    It's particularly silly seeing the legacy of white supremacism using "barbarian" as a slur against other cultures, when it's a slur that was created to describe their ethnic origins.
    That is interesting - I love the epistemology of common phrases. Regarding white supremacist usage, well, ignorance is limitless.

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    And then she cancels it, because of enormous pushback from the GOP, and denies she even started it in the first place.
    Truly, GOP Cancel Culture has gone too far.

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    Republicans race for distance from 'America First Caucus'

    That headline is "Why You Need An Editor 101"

    GOP leaders, anti-Trump centrists and vulnerable Republicans in battleground districts wasted little time in recent days denouncing the “America First Caucus,” whose stated purpose in a platform document included the defense of America as a nation “strengthened by a common respect for uniquely Anglo-Saxon political traditions."

    While the Republicans reportedly behind the group — including Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.) and Paul Gosar (Ariz.) — appear to have abandoned the project in the face of bipartisan criticism, their very interest has created an enormous headache for Republican leaders seeking to steer the party away from an image of racial insensitivity and appeal to a broader swath of voters, including women and minorities, in the post-Trump era.


    The America First Caucus, operational or not, has complicated that unifying message.

    “This is a modern, decaf version of the KKK — a group designed to elevate one race and ethnicity by diminishing all others. It should be summarily dismissed and condemned,” former Rep. Carlos Curbelo (R-Fla.), a Cuban American and supporter of comprehensive immigration reform, told The Hill on Monday.

    Asked about the proposed America First agenda, Rep. John Katko (R-N.Y.), the chairman of the moderate Republican Governance Group, said in a statement to The Hill: “Our nation was founded upon freedom and equality. As Americans we should always strive to uphold and advance these fundamental values.

    “Racism and nativism are antithetical to our core principles and should have no place in our society, let alone the Halls of Congress,” Katko said, adding that he was speaking for himself and not the Governance Group, formerly known as the Tuesday Group.
    Let me make this clear: having an evil project, then abandoning the evil project when people find out it's an evil project, does not forgive you for starting the evil project. Motivation matters. If you only stopped being a Nazi when the English, Russians, or Americans caught up with you and threatened to shoot you otherwise, you were still a Nazi up to that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzjhath View Post
    So what he sleeps with men. Everyone does!
    ... Wait? What do you mean he's the one taking it? What is he, the Queen of Bithynia?
    Ha, yep. When gossip got around that Julius Caesar was banging one of his generals, the problem wasn't who he was having sex with but that he was supposedly the bottom.

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