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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawberry View Post
    Don't you think that's going to have a completely opposite reaction and boost crypto? Maybe not immediately but in the long run.
    Crypto is universal across the world.
    When your money loses worth and keeps going down, you don't buy more of it. I wouldn't
    In the long term when there's adoption, you are obviously correct. However, right now it's a speculative asset, which essentially moves as stocks do.

    When the DXY is down, crypto is up.
    When (tech) stocks are down, crypto is down.

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    My friend makes a good profit on this speculative asset now,
    so if he can do it, then why not do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BdazmedPrim View Post
    My friend makes a good profit on this speculative asset now,
    so if he can do it, then why not do it?
    Because history shows they-Most people will make one too many bets on a speculative asset and lose everything they made.

    the let it ride atmosphere of these type of investments always catch up with the majority of them
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    What do you think, how much time would it take for Bitcoin to have a price of 50+ grands again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gordon15wp View Post
    What do you think, how much time would it take for Bitcoin to have a price of 50+ grands again?
    they are too busy driving up AMC and other meme stocks 100% today. give it a week or two when they pump another POS maybe it will be some crypto

    maybe it will get to 100 grandS soon
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    they are too busy driving up AMC and other meme stocks 100% today. give it a week or two when they pump another POS maybe it will be some crypto

    maybe it will get to 100 grandS soon
    What does AMC have to do with bitcoin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    What does AMC have to do with bitcoin?
    outflow from crypto to meme stocks and then back into crypto with the profits. The focus of this army of "retail reddit" investors has turned so many times its getting hard to keep track. this includes massive swings when they push into a given crypto like dogecoin as a single coordinated force.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    outflow from crypto to meme stocks and then back into crypto with the profits. The focus of this army of "retail reddit" investors has turned so many times its getting hard to keep track. this includes massive swings when they push into a given crypto like dogecoin as a single coordinated force.
    I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.
    People don't rotate out of one asset to another, from one stock to another, from stocks to bonds.....??
    Damn I wish I didn't have to put all my money in one place and be forced to keep it there forever!!!



    Based on reading WSB for months now that's exactly what is happening as people follow the trend. You see the same bunches of people in crypto forums as you do WSB.

    There is sometimes a correlation between one asset class movement vs another's movement.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gordon15wp View Post
    What do you think, how much time would it take for Bitcoin to have a price of 50+ grands again?
    Never, it's a shitcoin. May everyone who invested in it(outside of the sods who got in at under 10k) live in destitution. It's gonna be hilarious laughing at them while my hedera investments skyrocket after CBDC adoption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    People don't rotate out of one asset to another, from one stock to another, from stocks to bonds.....??
    Damn I wish I didn't have to put all my money in one place and be forced to keep it there forever!!!



    Based on reading WSB for months now that's exactly what is happening as people follow the trend. You see the same bunches of people in crypto forums as you do WSB.

    There is sometimes a correlation between one asset class movement vs another's movement.
    Bitcoin has existed a bit longer than the AMC debacle, more than a decade to be precise, so I don't really know what you're talking about when you argue that there's a correlation concerning money flow from meme stocks such as AMC to bitcoin and the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluttershy View Post
    Never, it's a shitcoin. May everyone who invested in it(outside of the sods who got in at under 10k) live in destitution. It's gonna be hilarious laughing at them while my hedera investments skyrocket after CBDC adoption.
    While I agree that bitcoin is garbage as I've stated many times in this thread, it's still absolutely vital for the entire crypto currency sector that Bitcoin is kept healthy for now. If Bitcoin dies right now, the entire market will take at least half a decade to recover. You are severely underestimating its marketing appeal in the influential sense and its image within cryptos.

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    A small update on bitcoin price action for the people who follow, judging from the wicks lately I'm 70% certain my original assessment is correct. We are seeing price manipulation by whales yet again, trying to get longs liquidated by giving bitcoin a small pump to 40kish. Obviously, it failed as there is 0 buying pressure, meaning we will fall dangerously at support levels very soon and will plummet to 20k soon enough because it's becoming increasingly battered by failure to swing higher.

    I'll be severely astonished should the bulls come out on top right now and we shoot up to 44kish.

    Another thing to note is that usually the thing you don't expect tends to happen because it is a zero sum game and people with a lot of money make the magic happen, so I'm still curious to see where this is going. For example, I see massive shorts opening in the past couple hours due to failure to reach a higher high, maybe this was planned to liquidate shorts eventually? Who knows.
    I also think the doom and gloom scenario is actually better for bitcoin in the medium to long term. That is correlated with risk factor, risk of buying bitcoin is a hell of a lot lower when it dumps even harder than when it is buying it right now, and I think this will be a bargain for money to flow in again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    Bitcoin has existed a bit longer than the AMC debacle, more than a decade to be precise, so I don't really know what you're talking about when you argue that there's a correlation concerning money flow from meme stocks such as AMC to bitcoin and the opposite.

    Nowhere did i say it was the only thing that was happening to cyrpto/bitcoin or that it was the main reason or that its been happening "forever".

    they have already done this with jumping from one stock to another and i have seen it happen over the past year with stock to crypto jumps with this group of retail investors. WSB even had to go as far as just about banning even talking about any crypto except in just passing, no topic creation allowed.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    While I agree that bitcoin is garbage as I've stated many times in this thread, it's still absolutely vital for the entire crypto currency sector that Bitcoin is kept healthy for now. If Bitcoin dies right now, the entire market will take at least half a decade to recover. You are severely underestimating its marketing appeal in the influential sense and its image within cryptos.
    Personally I think the best thing that could happen for BlockChain tech is that the entire crypto idea crashes, burns, and dies. And you can get actually productive uses of BlockChain instead of it just being a value commodity. The potential uses in the tech are worth far more than just being value assignments when anything can be used for that. There is a reason we dropped the gold standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzjhath View Post
    Personally I think the best thing that could happen for BlockChain tech is that the entire crypto idea crashes, burns, and dies. And you can get actually productive uses of BlockChain instead of it just being a value commodity. The potential uses in the tech are worth far more than just being value assignments when anything can be used for that. There is a reason we dropped the gold standard.
    The commodity and store of value of cryptocurrencies depend on the very important idea of decentralisation, cryptography and open data, ie on the ideal of having a global currency that isn't controlled by a central authority that works from the shadows, creates a sea of problems, then tries to solve those problems by putting band aids everywhere, ie infinite money printing.

    Decentralised currency stomps every single notion of inequality because it completely foregoes national currencies and exchange rates, essentially distributing and creating wealth fairly across the globe regardless of nationality.

    Blockchain is THE most important technological discovery in the last couple decades, cryptocurrencies are just an important, albeit still new and underdeveloped, implementation of that technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    The commodity and store of value of cryptocurrencies depend on the very important idea of decentralisation, cryptography and open data, ie on the ideal of having a global currency that isn't controlled by a central authority that works from the shadows, creates a sea of problems, then tries to solve those problems by putting band aids everywhere, ie infinite money printing.

    Decentralised currency stomps every single notion of inequality because it completely foregoes national currencies and exchange rates, essentially distributing and creating wealth fairly across the globe regardless of nationality.

    Blockchain is THE most important technological discovery in the last couple decades, cryptocurrencies are just an important, albeit still new and underdeveloped, implementation of that technology.
    Decentralised currency using a commodity that has value that can't be changed on a whim is the same as just using the gold and silver standard. Where supply of bullion changed value of money on a whim of people.
    Instead of controlling interest rates to make sure the value of money is always dropping so that money itself isn't worth hoarding for the sake of hoarding something valuable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzjhath View Post
    Decentralised currency using a commodity that has value that can't be changed on a whim is the same as just using the gold and silver standard. Where supply of bullion changed value of money on a whim of people.
    Instead of controlling interest rates to make sure the value of money is always dropping so that money itself isn't worth hoarding for the sake of hoarding something valuable.
    The volume of spending a limited resource also increases its value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    The volume of spending a limited resource also increases its value.
    Which is precisely one of the reasons commodity money was ditched - available specie being unable to keep up with the amount of economic activity. That is a bad thing, not a good thing.

    Again: crypto is just the gold standard for tech bros. As evidenced by the constant bitching about needing decentralized currency to avoid manipulation by “shadowy entities” which in itself is an antisemitic dogwhistle. Lol.
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Which is precisely one of the reasons commodity money was ditched - available specie being unable to keep up with the amount of economic activity. That is a bad thing, not a good thing.

    Again: crypto is just the gold standard for tech bros. As evidenced by the constant bitching about needing decentralized currency to avoid manipulation by “shadowy entities” which in itself is an antisemitic dogwhistle. Lol.
    What the fuck are you on about antisemitism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    What the fuck are you on about antisemitism?
    Because insisting we need to free currency from shadowy manipulators is a rehash of the “international conspiracy of Jewish bankers” BS that underpinned the gold standard so repeating that insistence betrays either a massive lack of self awareness or, at worst, active buy-in.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Which is precisely one of the reasons commodity money was ditched - available specie being unable to keep up with the amount of economic activity. That is a bad thing, not a good thing.
    Or, on the other end of the table. When the commodity currency was tagged to was so plentiful value crashed and never recovered. See the (first) French Revolution, National Lands, and the Assignat.
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