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  1. #201
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuusah View Post
    And it won’t be faster with that proposed system.

    Solution: play a tank or heal.
    That doesn't really help if I don't enjoy those roles at all. Which I do not. Never have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojusk View Post
    could also disable the ability to see what class signs up and their ilvl, heck maybe just have a m+ dungeon finder for the opt outers.
    no "gatekeeping" at all is exactly what they want.
    All I can read is OP going "Im sick of not getting literally hard carried everywhere I go, pls carry me harder".

  3. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by Advent View Post
    That doesn't really help if I don't enjoy those roles at all. Which I do not. Never have.
    that's a you problem, not a game problem.

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    People who wanna "opt out" are people who want to be carried.
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  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Frolk View Post
    People who wanna "opt out" are people who want to be carried.
    This. Anyone who cries about raider IO... are pure and simple people with low IO that wants to be carried and do not want to put in the work to learn the dungeon or how to play better. The blame game is much easier.

  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Hellobolis View Post
    no it's like complaining your arena rating is artificially reduced by 10% for every arena map you haven't played.
    Your arena rating starts at 0 and it's not arbitrary each dungeon has a different boss mechanics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuusah View Post
    that's a you problem, not a game problem.
    It's a game problem if those roles aren't enjoyable by a significant portion of players. It's a community problem if the reason they're not enjoyable is because of the players.

  8. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by Helander View Post
    All I can read is OP going "Im sick of not getting literally hard carried everywhere I go, pls carry me harder".
    thats odd, i refer to opt outers as "they".. you know, the opposite of i/us. l2read

  9. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    It has everything to do with better applicants. Even in your example, the guy with 10 more rio than you is BETTER than you. Otherwise you would have the bigger score. It's a fact.
    Yes and no. You get to a point where doing a dungeon not in time will award you more points than the same dungeon done in time 2-3 levels below.

    You can even have KSM rio without KSM if someone carried you in non timed 17 or so.

    10 rio points are nothing and mean nothing.

  10. #210
    I don't see the point. Even if you opted out you would still be held to it as a standard.

  11. #211
    You can opt out atm by uninstalling rio. As you probably know, it will also cause you to not get invited. Why do you think this would change if the system is implemented by Blizz?

  12. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by chiddie View Post
    Yes and no. You get to a point where doing a dungeon not in time will award you more points than the same dungeon done in time 2-3 levels below.

    You can even have KSM rio without KSM if someone carried you in non timed 17 or so.

    10 rio points are nothing and mean nothing.
    But it takes literally 10 seconds to check the other person. Right click - copy raider.io link - alt tab - ctrl+v. Actually you don't even have to do all that, you can just look at hoiw many 10+ / 15+ the person has completed. If people just look at the number, they deserve to have carried people in their groups who deplete their key.

    Also, again, "higher rio" doesn't automatically mean "better player". It just means there's a higher chance of them being a better player, not a guarantee.

  13. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by neescher View Post
    But it takes literally 10 seconds to check the other person. Right click - copy raider.io link - alt tab - ctrl+v. Actually you don't even have to do all that, you can just look at hoiw many 10+ / 15+ the person has completed. If people just look at the number, they deserve to have carried people in their groups who deplete their key.

    Also, again, "higher rio" doesn't automatically mean "better player". It just means there's a higher chance of them being a better player, not a guarantee.
    I just wanted to reply to the dude that said that the applicant with 10 points more than “you” is surely better than “you”: fortunately or unfortunately it’s not true.

    100 points maybe yes, 10 points as I said are nothing, whatever the key level.

  14. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by neescher View Post
    But it takes literally 10 seconds to check the other person. Right click - copy raider.io link - alt tab - ctrl+v. Actually you don't even have to do all that, you can just look at hoiw many 10+ / 15+ the person has completed. If people just look at the number, they deserve to have carried people in their groups who deplete their key.

    Also, again, "higher rio" doesn't automatically mean "better player". It just means there's a higher chance of them being a better player, not a guarantee.
    A few days ago I had a prime example why checking someone on the raider.io page is so important. PF+15 tank has a high rio. He has done multiple dungeons on +16. Did PF on +11, it's the last or one of the last dungeons he is missing for KSM. I checked him out on the website:

    He had like 4 runs done in PF before ours. His +11 was a month ago. The other three were not even close to +10. He went from +3s and +5s to timing a +11, then a month of no (challenging) PF at all and then wanted to do a +15.

    I was curious, so I healed that dungeon. He posts his route and it's super scuffed. Makes no use of cannisters and plague borers. I tell him that route sucks and we do another one. The things he did:

    Aimed the abomination trash mob into the group for the big frontal aoe. I told him to stop doing that after the second or third time. His reply was "don't blame me, that mob does it in a random direction". I told him "no, it always does it at you". His reply "so am I not supposed to dodge it either or what?" I was speechless...

    The second abo that stands at the stairs, he pulled all the way back to that acid stream in the back where the group stands. Not only did he aim the frontal at the group again but the caster mob stayed back and freely casted his roots on us, which killed us in combination with the second abo ability. Also we had a buttpull from the left side with the green blobs there.

    After that he didn't use his stun on the tentacles when they gripped someone in the gauntlet part of the dungeon.

    After the gauntlet we had Pride. With Pride buff he double pulled both right and left pack. Not only does he not understand that it's like 4 caster mobs super far apart from each other, but there is also that violet blob that he doesn't understand what it does. After that he left.

    So we had a tank with a good rio score, close to KSM and he pulled like a complete noob. Because in that dungeon he was a complete noob. He had no experience in that dungeon whatsoever. He was playing his Paladin really well. He was skilled with his class. But it just shows again, that skill is not required to beat a +15. You need experience. It doesn't freaking matter how good you are with your class if you kill your group with bad pulls because you don't know the mobs.

    So that's definitely a flaw of raider.io. The only way to know that tank would be shit was to go on the website and really go in-depth into his dungeon history. Because his score was high, his number of 15s and 14s was high. But his number of Plaguefall dungeons was not only very low, but also the key levels were low and they were over a month back. That information should be visible ingame, imo. Yes it doesn't take much time to check the site, but we shouldn't have to do that in the first place. It should be all ingame.

  15. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by Wuusah View Post
    A few days ago I had a prime example why checking someone on the raider.io page is so important. PF+15 tank has a high rio. He has done multiple dungeons on +16. Did PF on +11, it's the last or one of the last dungeons he is missing for KSM. I checked him out on the website:

    He had like 4 runs done in PF before ours. His +11 was a month ago. The other three were not even close to +10. He went from +3s and +5s to timing a +11, then a month of no (challenging) PF at all and then wanted to do a +15.

    I was curious, so I healed that dungeon. He posts his route and it's super scuffed. Makes no use of cannisters and plague borers. I tell him that route sucks and we do another one. The things he did:

    Aimed the abomination trash mob into the group for the big frontal aoe. I told him to stop doing that after the second or third time. His reply was "don't blame me, that mob does it in a random direction". I told him "no, it always does it at you". His reply "so am I not supposed to dodge it either or what?" I was speechless...

    The second abo that stands at the stairs, he pulled all the way back to that acid stream in the back where the group stands. Not only did he aim the frontal at the group again but the caster mob stayed back and freely casted his roots on us, which killed us in combination with the second abo ability. Also we had a buttpull from the left side with the green blobs there.

    After that he didn't use his stun on the tentacles when they gripped someone in the gauntlet part of the dungeon.

    After the gauntlet we had Pride. With Pride buff he double pulled both right and left pack. Not only does he not understand that it's like 4 caster mobs super far apart from each other, but there is also that violet blob that he doesn't understand what it does. After that he left.

    So we had a tank with a good rio score, close to KSM and he pulled like a complete noob. Because in that dungeon he was a complete noob. He had no experience in that dungeon whatsoever. He was playing his Paladin really well. He was skilled with his class. But it just shows again, that skill is not required to beat a +15. You need experience. It doesn't freaking matter how good you are with your class if you kill your group with bad pulls because you don't know the mobs.

    So that's definitely a flaw of raider.io. The only way to know that tank would be shit was to go on the website and really go in-depth into his dungeon history. Because his score was high, his number of 15s and 14s was high. But his number of Plaguefall dungeons was not only very low, but also the key levels were low and they were over a month back. That information should be visible ingame, imo. Yes it doesn't take much time to check the site, but we shouldn't have to do that in the first place. It should be all ingame.
    Yeah but as I said, r.io is no guarantee. I would guess, the chances of meeting a person like that with a high score are extremely low. Definitely lower than if you invite someone with 300 less score into your group

  16. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by neescher View Post
    Yeah but as I said, r.io is no guarantee. I would guess, the chances of meeting a person like that with a high score are extremely low. Definitely lower than if you invite someone with 300 less score into your group
    yes it's not a guarantee but the data you get ingame from rio is significantly less than what you get from the website. So my hope is that Blizzard allows for all the information to be visible in the game so that even if Blizzard's standard UI doesn't show it, an addon like raider.io can do what it does on the website and do the same ingame.
    Instead of scanning the armory, get all the information on a website and then a tiny fraction of that information packed into an addon, we could just scan/inspect a person ingame and get all that information ingame. That would be the dream.

  17. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by Wuusah View Post
    yes it's not a guarantee but the data you get ingame from rio is significantly less than what you get from the website. So my hope is that Blizzard allows for all the information to be visible in the game so that even if Blizzard's standard UI doesn't show it, an addon like raider.io can do what it does on the website and do the same ingame.
    Instead of scanning the armory, get all the information on a website and then a tiny fraction of that information packed into an addon, we could just scan/inspect a person ingame and get all that information ingame. That would be the dream.
    Yeah that's true. I guess if the blizzard implementation is bad, people will just continue to use raider.io. I think the people who made raider.io are working with blizzard on the feature, so I'm sure they're giving enough input/feedback; I just hope blizzard doesn't ignore them and make their own thing. Let's see how it works out

  18. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by facefist View Post
    You can opt out atm by uninstalling rio. As you probably know, it will also cause you to not get invited. Why do you think this would change if the system is implemented by Blizz?
    That's wrong. You got a score either way, no Addon needed - to opt out, you have to log into Rio and deactivate it.

  19. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodyleech View Post
    That's wrong. You got a score either way, no Addon needed - to opt out, you have to log into Rio and deactivate it.
    Ehh but if you and I both decide opt out and uninstall it, then neither of us can see the score of each other even if it exists. If big enough pool of players decided that rio is useless and uninstalled it, then those people effectively opted out.

    And it still doesnt change my point no matter the technical side of things. People use rio because they want a scoring system, there is the possibility to not use it yet people use it anyway.

  20. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by facefist View Post
    Ehh but if you and I both decide opt out and uninstall it, then neither of us can see the score of each other even if it exists. If big enough pool of players decided that rio is useless and uninstalled it, then those people effectively opted out.

    And it still doesnt change my point no matter the technical side of things. People use rio because they want a scoring system, there is the possibility to not use it yet people use it anyway.
    You do not really opt-out if you deinstall it. Others see your score, no matter what. And no, others do not deinstall it just so they can't see your score. > you did not opt-out, you simply can't see it yourself. YOU have to deactivate it yourself on the Rio site.
    Rio is way to helpful to estimate the knowledge of a player. No sane person runs 10++ without looking for experience - and that's exactly what Rio and Blizzscore are for.

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