This is where I’m at. My DH was planned to be my main alt but it fell off for me. The class feels as shallow as a puddle especially now that it’s stripped of its borrowed power, and to make matters worse it only has 2 specs. It’s the only class I play where my action bars aren’t even half full. It just needs...more.
Lots of unused/dead talents. Yes every class in the game has dead talents but it feels worse on a DH. On my Druid/shaman/mage/whatever I’m picking passive talents just to free up space on my bars, but on my DH I want more ways to interact with my class. Meta is extremely boring.
I will say, while the class is lacking depth for WoW vets it’s EXCELLENT for new players. My fiancée is brand new to the game and bounced around different classes before landing on the DH and it’s perfect for her. Tuning-wise, Blizz has to be careful not to buff Havoc too much just because of how easy it is to play, and I think they’ve done a good job in that respect this expansion.
Last edited by Mightytasty; 2021-05-15 at 04:47 AM.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st...s/26#boss=2406
Not really. The only fight on which DH does really good is Denathrius and that's probably because of Phase 1.
Apart from Denathrius we're among the weakest classes in all fights, be they ST or AoE.
Gosh, whenever I see people getting so mad classes arent balanced to 1% margin or something all I can think of is this dark legacy comic:
https://www.darklegacycomics.com/558
Like ugh, come on, it's impossible to have 24 diverse dps specs and have them all equally balanced... it's either hit and miss balance or complete homogenisation.
DH dps is fine. They had their turn as top dogs in BFA, now they are middle of the pack which is still enough to literally clear every content, including glad range in pvp and m+ raiding...
Apparently to some people here, we should never balance or rotate specs toward the top (to get their time in the sun) just because of prior performance. Cause lol jk why should fire, aff, and shadow’s above 0% since WoD representation mean anything? Disregard that since havoc was the only useful spec to buff those specs, that means nothing cause its performance wasn’t bis.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Nmi9k/pubhtml#
Last edited by Couchpotato2013; 2021-05-20 at 09:14 PM.
I see this spreadsheet often. And it still baffles me that apparently only 4 DPS specs perform above average according to the mythic data. Something is wrong here.
Also using average apparently skews the data. Median would probably be better.
Also comparing classes with 3 DPS specs to classes with only one and wondering why classes with 3 specs do better is stupid.
AND it doesn't include m+ at all.
Last edited by LordVargK; 2021-05-20 at 09:24 PM.
It’s why it’s broken down by spec. But then again shadow is the lone dps for its class and it shines above ret, ww, and havoc (which was only needed cause of the overperforming specs).
And as for m+ all you have to do is create pie charts for each season of m+, and for specific flat io scores (so like all 10s, all 15s, all 20s, and all 25s). I do know that for bfa s4 end, havoc DH comprised ~12.5% of all characters of 1932+ io (flat all 15s score).
But then the point comes up there that people will goalpost up and down that X metric doesn’t matter or that balance intrinsically can’t exist at a certain level and thus you shouldn’t fret about it. Thus over-representation in m+ is bit more fickle.
And then as for pvp, blizzard still can’t at all provide decent api to track each match done by each character (who they played with, what spec/talents, against who, if they won, Starting+ending CR/MMR, and when). Drustvar, checkpvp, and arenamate (plus others) are so fractured and require manual update each time.
Still, why are there only 4 DPS specs that performed above average overall? That's not really how the average works, is it?
In general I think that balance doesn't matter as much as many people make it out to. But I'm also not a mythic raider and like playing the unpopular specs, if their gameplay is more fun to me. And as long as DH is the only class with the 5% magic dmg taken debuff it will have a place in raids. Havoc just suffers because Vengeance was/is broken/very good this tier.
Wish people would stop their meme-tier seething at the fact that DHs exist
over the 2 year, ian just lie about "we listen your feedback" the game is terrible, is no fun if you dont use the meta class, no fun if oyu are corner to use a class, with certain specs, they didnt balance anything, on raids some classes are top dps just for been the class and nothing to do with gear. in pvp ... well 3 classes else, you will be death the entire game. blizz dont learn and they wonder why ppl move to ff14