Malfurion was amazing in legion
Malfurion was amazing in legion
Thats sure is a lot of opinions presented as fact.
Yeah it's because Blizzard shits on everyone being Lawful Good. Just watch, they'll make the LIGHT of all things out to be bad and evil and wrong. Not excessive, not unnecessary, not overzealous, just fucking straight out villainous evil like they do every other flat out evil things now like the fucking Jailer. It's going to suck. The Void, however, is gonna be showcased as misunderstood and good for reasons just like Sylvanas. That's just how it's gonna be and I hate it.
Paladin Bash has spoken.
Right, they butchered Paladin lore since... MoP I think, and everything since has been a complete farce. What's the point in looking for good lore nowadays, you're only asking to get hurt lol 20 odd years of "gameplay is more important" has made the class a bad joke :P
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Same shit thats muddied D&D, "human fighter is boring so I will replace good roleplay with a crazy race/class combo because thats the same thing as good roleplay hurrdurr, meet my gnome barbarian/warlock/bard"
Blizz has cut his veins. Lore is fucked to the bone already.
The real issue with warlocks isn't that there aren't interesting warlocks so much as it is that the interesting non-villian warlocks, only appear in warlock specific quests. Every other class is also represented with at least one heroic major lore character. As far as none warlock players are concerned the only non villianous warlock character that exists might as well be Tehd, and don't get me wrong, Tehd is amazing, but tehd is also comic relief. Outside of this our two major character is Gul'dan, who is a moustache twirler, and Kanrethad, who only appears in warlock quests, and also is also technically a reference to a developer.(Actually, Iirc the entire council of the black harvest are references to the developer and player team that worked on the MoP warlock overhaul so I'm not sure you can count any of them. )
When it comes to Scarlets i think they missed a huge story chance where they could have had a story about several new heroic paladins fighting from within leading to a cleansing of the demonic corruption that they did suffer from.
The Arathi warfront was not really any lore
What classes ARE represented in lore as per Shadowlands?
Priest(ish) = Anduin
Hunter(ish) = Tyrande + Sylvanas
Mage = Jaina
Shaman = Thrall (side note when did he actually get his powers back since he uses them in Sylvanas fight - genuine question I cannot remember if it happened?)
DK = Mograine / Bolvar(?)
Arguably Kael, Draka, Uther, and Shandris.
I would say the main problem isn't the lack of paladins but a general narrow character focus. With the exception of Anduin, Thrall, Jaina, and Sylvanas characters are only brought into play when they have a direct stake in the story and then paused until they can be brought back. I always found this to be a weakness of the Warcraft universe and why it worked better when the character arcs were less uniquely personal and more in line with the larger plot (IE arc of Arthas = Scourge, Sylvanas (WC3) = Forsaken, Tyrande (9.1) = Night Elves after Teldrassil, Thrall (WC3) = Orcs). If a character is primarily the mouthpiece of a faction, rather than an individual, then dropping them and picking them up is less frustrating.
Meanwhile the average person will always grivitate towards playing a regular human dude with a sword. It actually gave me a good chuckle when Larian Studios revealed the most popular character choices for their D&D game (Baldur's Gate 3) and it was just the most generic looking white dude. I don't know why so many people (or even companies) assume that these wacky choices are super important to the average player.
The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?
Paladins was always the religious extremists in WoW, from the Scarlett Crusade and Knights of the silver hand.
So just as in real life, there never was any good paladins, and most likely there will never be.
underdog complex + wanting to emulate themselves in a fantasy world; as for me that's why I want Alteraci Humans for the Horde so badly
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that, and the WotLK-Cata part never made sense to me as why would Arthas take the effort to clear the rural parts of Tyr's Hand but not proper Tyr's Hand itself
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
I make Warcraft 3 Reforged HD custom models and I'm also an HD model reviewer.
There's one problem with underdog characters though. You can't really be considered an underdog if everyone else is exactly like you. This is basically the problem with writers pushing these "underdog views/characters" into the mainstream. Much of what defined these characters and made them interesting was their opposition to an established order/status quo. It only really works if you have a universe with very strict rules and norms because the underdog character exists through their opposition to these rules. If you take away the boundaries by e.g. making every story revolve around underdog characters you completely change the dynamic in a way that will make these characters bland/uninteresting again. It's how you end up with characters like Blanduin and Jaina who, once they were firmly established, lost all of their narrative value and turned into empty husks that merely exist to push the plot in whatever direction is needed at the moment.
The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?
I agree, it's become such a cliche at this point.
It's like any supernatural style show that has angels. They so often make the angels the bad guys that the idea their subverting has now become the minority to their depiction of angels as being bad.
I reckon it's a lot of angstheists or people who want to add in Light/Angelic sort of supernatural themes without having to deal with the moral/ethical consequences of their existence.
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Devoutly religious people have done plenty of good as well. It depends where you draw the line on what "extremist" means.
But I get the feeling this is probably not a great community for discussing these ideas.
"cast not pearls before swine" and all that.
The beginning of wisdom is the statement 'I do not know.' The person who cannot make that statement is one who will never learn anything. And I have prided myself on my ability to learn
Thrall
http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power