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    So is Anduin evil now or a bad guy...

    So is Anduin evil now or a bad guy and if so who’s next as leader of the Alliance or humans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    So is Anduin evil now or a bad guy and if so who’s next as leader of the Alliance or humans?
    Turalyon is, at least nominally. As for Andy, I'd be very surprised if he isn't back to his !@#$ty Mary Sue (or Gary Stu if you prefer) status by the end of SL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    So is Anduin evil now or a bad guy and if so who’s next as leader of the Alliance or humans?
    No. He's essentially the Jailer's Avatar atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Turalyon is, at least nominally. As for Andy, I'd be very surprised if he isn't back to his !@#$ty Mary Sue (or Gary Stu if you prefer) status by the end of SL.
    Dude's far from a Gary Stu...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    So is Anduin evil now or a bad guy and if so who’s next as leader of the Alliance or humans?
    Currently, Anduin is a tool, a puppet. The story is not enough to make any further statements as we can see that he is fighting the Jailer in the cinematic.

    And Turalyon is currently the functioning Steward of the Alliance and the Humans. If Anduin is assigned dead or turned evil, I am betting Turalyon is not letting go of that seat until someone worthy takes it from him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    So is Anduin evil now or a bad guy and if so who’s next as leader of the Alliance or humans?
    Turalyon is already Regent Lord of the Alliance, Alleria rules at his side as the Chief Advisor to the High King Regent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlordJohnstone View Post
    No. He's essentially the Jailer's Avatar atm.

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    Dude's far from a Gary Stu...
    I don't want to derail the thread, but tell me with a straight face that this doesn't fit (pre-SL) Anduin like a glove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlordJohnstone View Post
    No. He's essentially the Jailer's Avatar atm.

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    Dude's far from a Gary Stu...
    He definitely is a Mary Sue, not all Sue's are the same perfect beings that the term is based off of. But as was shown he lines up with the trope of overly pure, all his weaknesses are actually strengths, detrimentally noble, etc... It's one of the reasons his character is so annoyingly thin and transparent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    So is Anduin evil now or a bad guy and if so who’s next as leader of the Alliance or humans?
    I dunno about that, i mean he is kinda goody-two-shoes and light-favoured, so i wouldn't be surprised if the light bails him out by the end of Shadowlands, though i wouldn't really oppose killing him either.

    But presently i expect the light to go like "Death, we had a deal, we gave you anduin plus some light powers and you would do something for us, but you fucked it up so we're taking him back!". And then they all buttfuck eachother to death and we are left to pick up the pieces as the other powers run roll across the floor laughing at their incompetent cooperation.
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    Yeah, we are going to free him sooner or later just like we freed Primus. Maybe Anduin’s power will break the chains of domination itself at some point. I wonder if this will have something to do with Light and the Dreadlords. Hm
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlordJohnstone View Post
    Dude's far from a Gary Stu...
    No, the conventionally attractive 18 year old High King of the Alliance isn't a Gary Stu. Definitely not.

    It's just good characterisation that the elder races grovel at his feet and beg for help, rather than, I dunno be outraged that this person who hasn't lived one one thousandth of the time they have oversee military matters.

    OT: I'd imagine he'll be back to his usual "I want peace but sometimes you gotta fight for it" antics soon enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    I don't want to derail the thread, but tell me with a straight face that this doesn't fit (pre-SL) Anduin like a glove.
    Seems fairly easy once you get past the purity and into what makes it a Sue. Anduin is perfectly aware that the world isn't as great as he'd like it to be, has perfectly real flaws that have negatively affected him before and plenty of people in-universe don't regard him overly positively for no reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    perfectly real flaws that have negatively affected him before
    Which ones, and how have they affected him?

    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    plenty of people in-universe don't regard him overly positively for no reason.
    Anyone other than maybe Tyrande?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Which ones, and how have they affected him?
    His nativity when it comes to people changing and war lead to him being crushed under the divine bell which was a short term negative effect. Then again with sylvanas which lead into him seemingly developing ptsd of a sort.

    But that’s about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Which ones, and how have they affected him?



    Anyone other than maybe Tyrande?
    You forgot the "for no reason" part. It's fine for somebody to be seen positively by nearly everybody as long as there is an actual reason for it. It doesn't become a Sue unless everybody inexplicably likes them.

    He is treating everybody nice and kind when he has the opportunity to. It's not very surprising most see him positively.

    Besides, his naivete and desire for peaceful solutions have led him to, among other things, get crushed by a bell and walk right into a plague bomb trap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    His nativity when it comes to people changing and war lead to him being crushed under the divine bell which was a short term negative effect. Then again with sylvanas which lead into him seemingly developing ptsd of a sort.

    But that’s about it.
    Being crippled for a few months is hardly short-term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    get crushed by a bell
    Not only he wasn't even permanently crippled by the bell, but he also got divine powers out of it. Holy bones, anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    walk right into a plague bomb trap.
    He was saved by the biggest combination of Deus ex Machina this game has ever seen, and with what consequences? None for him, that's for sure.

    Thus I fail to see where are the actual consequences for his so-called "flaws".
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    What's the difference between evil and bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Being crippled for a few months is hardly short-term.
    In the grand scheme of the story it is as it didn’t even last a full expan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Not only he wasn't even permanently crippled by the bell, but he also got divine powers out of it. Holy bones, anyone?



    He was saved by the biggest combination of Deus ex Machina this game has ever seen, and with what consequences? None for him, that's for sure.

    Thus I fail to see where are the actual consequences for his so-called "flaws".
    A Deus ex Machina? Hardly. Jaina has long been established as a powerfull mage with a mastery of mass teleportation. If anything, Sylvanas just noping out of there is the ex Machina.

    He didn't get shit out of the bell other than broken bones, either. For that matter, his ways are part of what allowed Garrosh to flee to Draenor, as otherwise, he'd have been poisoned.

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    Short term, yes.

    Long term, we probably break him out of this.



    My question is is he a Death Knight now and does that mean he's not coming back to the Alliance?
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    Or you just let it die because that's too expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Short term, yes.
    Long term, we probably break him out of this.
    My question is is he a Death Knight now and does that mean he's not coming back to the Alliance?
    Those are good questions also I mean technically anywhere in the afterworld is dead, he sure looks a lot like Arthus
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