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    I wonder how this affects Tauren religion and cosmology, since An'she is said to be Elune's brother.

    Oh, who am I kidding; no one on the current WoW creative team remembers An'she or the Sunwalkers, and even if they did they wouldn't do An'she justice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stardrift View Post
    Finally. Now the eonar weirdos can disappear
    I never got the Elune - Eonar connection. It was a theory that came out of nowhere simply because the moon showed up in Eonar's room in Antorus. Prior to that there had never been any overlap between Elune or the Titans in how either were presented or described.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudmaker View Post
    Oh so if Winter’s Queen sister is Elune, the Azeroth’s moon then Shadowlands realm is somehow connected to the cosmos. Interesting.
    And possibly Azeroth's sun? Since Elune is tied to the moon, and Elune's brother An'she is associated with the sun.

    Quote Originally Posted by Araya View Post
    uuuuugggghhhh, Elune was said to be the only true god that we knew of in the WoW universe, why are they retconning it!
    Elune and the Light. But once the Light was retconned from being a "yes really god" from WC3 through MoP into just being another elemental force like Fel or Arcane in WoD, it was only a matter of time before the creative hacks came after Elune and tore her down into just being another mundane super as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Feanoro View Post
    Because Danuser is jealous of Metzen, systematically ruining everything with bad fanfiction tier writing to supplant it with his own.
    Also because no one on the current WoW team has an ounce of faith in their bones.

    Quote Originally Posted by DesoPL View Post
    Warning ultimate theory!

    What if Elune is Xel'Naga?
    Sylvanas is already Kerrigan 2.0. Blizzard mind as well go all the way and have Sylvanas save the universe from a giant space slug by lasering it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Sigh... Why? Why couldn't they make Elune into a unique being. Was it really that hard?
    Because the writers have no imagination and don't have an ounce of faith in their bones.

    Blizzard's writers seem to think that the game can't go on without introducing higher and higher powerlevel guys for us to fight. And since the writers are incapable of creating new things, they decide to look back at the lore Metzen painstakingly crafted, the stuff people are already invested in, and take that and retcon it to suit their narrative, hoping that the fandom's investment in Metzen's stuff will carry over.

    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator4321 View Post
    Usually the longer a story/setting goes on the less loose plot threads or story details you can leave in without elaboration, Elune as a mysterious goddess was never going to last (really i'm suprised it lasted as long as it did)
    Or the writers could, you know, just leave Elune alone and go make up new forces for us to fight? Why not have the player join an expedition to the other side of the world and go on some good 'ole fun adventuring, like we did in Pandaria? No need to have new end of the world threats or even MOAR POWERFUL big bads than the last.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    Does anyone seriouslly think they have any real plans for this that can be thought out?
    They'd be a fool to think so.

    Let's look at the eras of Warcraft lore over the years:

    • WC1 lore was throwaway lines made up by the voice actor who was brought in to narrate the game while he was in the recording booth. WC2 lore had a little more effort put in but that was it.
    • WC3 through Wrath lore (started with the novel "Of Blood and Honor" and the adventure game that was cancelled) was painstackingly crafted by Metzen.
    • Cata through MoP: Metzen is still in charge but religion begins to be downplayed (probably by a mandate from Blizzard) but is still overall consistent with the lore since WC3.
    • WoD: Metzen leaves. The new creative team takesover and immediately begins dismantling the Light, retconning it from being a "yes really god" in the setting to being "just another elemental force like Arcane or Fel". The new creative team also goes on a mass retcon spree (not that Metzen didn't retcon stuff but he never did it to this degree). At this point it is clear that the writers are making stuff up as they go along and have no respect for the work laid down by prior writers, and don't respect the intelligence of the fans.

    Quote Originally Posted by olddog View Post
    So, Are the Void Lords/Light Lords higher deities than The First Ones? Or the First Ones created Light and Void?
    Can't wait for 2 or 3 expansions from now when the next "higher tier" precursor race is introduced. "Who are the precursors who were around before The First Ones?"

    Quote Originally Posted by HighlordJohnstone View Post
    Also find it funny how people think us going to the Moon (Likely not as a fuckin Leveling continent, however, but maybe in 9.2 or a Light (And Shadow?) Expansion) is going to be a "rip off" of FFXIV or some shit, when Elune being the Moon Goddess was a factor long before FFXIV was even made up.
    Not to derail too much but it's obvious that FFXIV has been living rent free in Blizzard's head. Going by population metrics, FFXIV will soon overtake WoW in subscriber numbers in a couple years or less (likely with the release of the Endwalker expansion). Over the past couple years, Blizzard consistently tries to line up WoW patch cycles with FFXIV patch cycles. Just look at how Blizzard waiting until FFXIV's 5.5 patch date was announced to announce WoW's 9.1 PTR at the same time is no coincidence, trying to keep WoW players from jumping ship by teasing them new WoW stuff to try out (even if it is unfinished). And the Shadowlands expansion was blatantly named such to try to be conflated with the Shadowbringers expansion and get similar search results when people look up ShB.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    That depends on whether they make An'she a character at all.
    From the little bit we got from him, it's implied he's just an expression of the Light.
    Erm, what? An'she in the handful of NPC dialogue, quests, and the Bleeding Sun short story presented him as more of a passive Native American-esque "Great Spirit" watching silently in the sky. IIRC An'she didn't even anything to do with Dezco's kids being taken away; that was the August Celestials. The Light - since the first Warcraft novel by Metzen, "Of Blood and Honor", has been depicted as a Christian God and is shown to be active in events.

    Furthermore, the way Dezco’s powers are described in Bleeding Sun have no overlap with the abilities that Paladin’s and Priests draw upon from the Light. It’s clear that Tauren Sunwalkers are NOT Paladins and do not draw upon the Light. They are classified as Paladins for game purposes only, because it’s impractical design an entire class that can only be used by one race for lore purposes when you can just slot that lore class into an existing gameplay class (like how Dark Rangers in lore are their own thing but in gameplay they’re just marksmanship hunters). I wish that Sunwalker Tauren had gotten unique spell effects, but alas.

    Also, if An'she really is The Light or a Naaru…

    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    I can see it now.

    Velen and Turalyon walk up to Dezco.
    Turalyon: "Tauren! Your great spirit and the Christian god expy/angels are actually one and the same!"
    Dezco: "uhhhhh, but Anshe is the brother of Elune?"
    Turalyon: "Oh. That's great!" walks over to Tyrande "Your Japanese Shinto kami expy is actually the same thing as our Christian God and angels! And the same thing as that Cow-man's native American Great spirit!"
    Tyrande: "Uh, but Elune also gave me void powers? And is also a god of death and wrath now? Isn't that like, the complete antithesis of what the Light stood for?"
    Turalyon looks at warlocks and shadow priests
    Turalyon: "I'm sorry for persecuting you guys for thousands of years. Looks like we were all drawing upon the same power all along! We're all brothers in the Light/Ans'he/Elune/the Void now, right guys?"
    Imagine Blizzard saying that. Actually, wait. I can.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    I think WoW could use one supreme being. Always hoped Elune was it. But we'll see.
    Given how Blizzard dismantled the Light as an actual god after Metzen left, and they've just dismantled Elune, there is no way Blizzard is going to reintroduce another actual god. From now on everyone is going to be a greek-esque super you and kill if your powerlevel is high enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHunter18 View Post
    now that Betanuser, Goldvanas and their pals butchered old lore completely (Old Gods, Burning Legion, Demons, Sargeras, Azshara, Elune etc), is there anything left to destroy???
    An'she, but thankfully it seems that he has been forgotten so at least he can't be ruined. At least we Sunwalkers can have the dignity of our lore not being run over by an 18-wheeler and thrown into a ditch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Houle View Post
    nah they kinda did ngl
    the first ones dont "slap". they are merely the titans but "biggaaaa and bettaaa" this time. every piece of "new" lore we get is basically something of the old lore, slightly repurposed and worse.
    Quote Originally Posted by olddog View Post
    Void Lords = Bigger Old Gods
    First Ones = Bigger Titans
    Six Cosmic Pantheons = Bigger Titanic Keepers
    The Jailer = Bigger Lich king
    Nailed it.

    Quote Originally Posted by lostdrewid View Post
    There's so much we don't know and frankly I love it. We're pealing back the mysteries one by one
    Some thing shouldn't be "uncovered". Some things are perfectly fine - and work best - if left alone.

    Quote Originally Posted by SNES-1990 View Post
    Honestly, I hope we only ever get scraps of information about the First Ones and never see them in person. WoW is lacking in mystery. Speculation about First Ones and ambiguous lore is good.
    With the current WoW team you'll be disappointed. The Metzen days are seven years past.
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    "And the Shadowlands expansion was blatantly named such to try to be conflated with the Shadowbringers expansion and get similar search results when people look up ShB."

    The Shadowlands existed before anything relating to Shadowbringers. Idk why you keep comparing FF to WoW, as well. Not like Blizzard gives two shits outside of maybe marketing strats.

    Also, WoW's a much more powerful verse anyway.

  3. #383
    Quote Originally Posted by HighlordJohnstone View Post

    Also, WoW's a much more powerful verse anyway.
    Dont know shit about FF but I highly doubt that.

  4. #384
    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    I never got the Elune - Eonar connection. It was a theory that came out of nowhere simply because the moon showed up in Eonar's room in Antorus. Prior to that there had never been any overlap between Elune or the Titans in how either were presented or described.
    The moon wasn't even a real piece of evidence, just a nearby prop that overlapped with her model when you look from a specific angle. However, the place she was hiding out was in fact called Elunaria.

    But that's not the connection being talked about here; this is about which of them has a connection to the Winter Queen, not whether they have one with each other.


    Also, your Metzen worship is rather unwarranted. He wasn't really all that much better than the current lore dev heads, he just worked at a time when retcons and inconsistent lore were the norm.

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    I like it, they are slowly introducing all the pantheons in a very well-paced manner. Now we only know three - Disorder (Sargeras), Order (titans) and Death (eternal ones) + Elune from Light/Life. It just opens so much more to come. Honestly, I used to think that WoW's lore is coming down after Legion with Void Lords being the ultimate villains but now there's so much more - Life, Light, Shadow + dreadlords with their machinations. Oh and the First ones? That's quite a good spin of lore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    I wonder how this affects Tauren religion and cosmology, since An'she is said to be Elune's brother.

    Oh, who am I kidding; no one on the current WoW creative team remembers An'she or the Sunwalkers, and even if they did they wouldn't do An'she justice.



    I never got the Elune - Eonar connection. It was a theory that came out of nowhere simply because the moon showed up in Eonar's room in Antorus. Prior to that there had never been any overlap between Elune or the Titans in how either were presented or described.



    And possibly Azeroth's sun? Since Elune is tied to the moon, and Elune's brother An'she is associated with the sun.



    Elune and the Light. But once the Light was retconned from being a "yes really god" from WC3 through MoP into just being another elemental force like Fel or Arcane in WoD, it was only a matter of time before the creative hacks came after Elune and tore her down into just being another mundane super as well.



    Also because no one on the current WoW team has an ounce of faith in their bones.



    Sylvanas is already Kerrigan 2.0. Blizzard mind as well go all the way and have Sylvanas save the universe from a giant space slug by lasering it.



    Because the writers have no imagination and don't have an ounce of faith in their bones.

    Blizzard's writers seem to think that the game can't go on without introducing higher and higher powerlevel guys for us to fight. And since the writers are incapable of creating new things, they decide to look back at the lore Metzen painstakingly crafted, the stuff people are already invested in, and take that and retcon it to suit their narrative, hoping that the fandom's investment in Metzen's stuff will carry over.



    Or the writers could, you know, just leave Elune alone and go make up new forces for us to fight? Why not have the player join an expedition to the other side of the world and go on some good 'ole fun adventuring, like we did in Pandaria? No need to have new end of the world threats or even MOAR POWERFUL big bads than the last.



    They'd be a fool to think so.

    Let's look at the eras of Warcraft lore over the years:

    • WC1 lore was throwaway lines made up by the voice actor who was brought in to narrate the game while he was in the recording booth. WC2 lore had a little more effort put in but that was it.
    • WC3 through Wrath lore (started with the novel "Of Blood and Honor" and the adventure game that was cancelled) was painstackingly crafted by Metzen.
    • Cata through MoP: Metzen is still in charge but religion begins to be downplayed (probably by a mandate from Blizzard) but is still overall consistent with the lore since WC3.
    • WoD: Metzen leaves. The new creative team takesover and immediately begins dismantling the Light, retconning it from being a "yes really god" in the setting to being "just another elemental force like Arcane or Fel". The new creative team also goes on a mass retcon spree (not that Metzen didn't retcon stuff but he never did it to this degree). At this point it is clear that the writers are making stuff up as they go along and have no respect for the work laid down by prior writers, and don't respect the intelligence of the fans.



    Can't wait for 2 or 3 expansions from now when the next "higher tier" precursor race is introduced. "Who are the precursors who were around before The First Ones?"



    Not to derail too much but it's obvious that FFXIV has been living rent free in Blizzard's head. Going by population metrics, FFXIV will soon overtake WoW in subscriber numbers in a couple years or less (likely with the release of the Endwalker expansion). Over the past couple years, Blizzard consistently tries to line up WoW patch cycles with FFXIV patch cycles. Just look at how Blizzard waiting until FFXIV's 5.5 patch date was announced to announce WoW's 9.1 PTR at the same time is no coincidence, trying to keep WoW players from jumping ship by teasing them new WoW stuff to try out (even if it is unfinished). And the Shadowlands expansion was blatantly named such to try to be conflated with the Shadowbringers expansion and get similar search results when people look up ShB.



    Erm, what? An'she in the handful of NPC dialogue, quests, and the Bleeding Sun short story presented him as more of a passive Native American-esque "Great Spirit" watching silently in the sky. IIRC An'she didn't even anything to do with Dezco's kids being taken away; that was the August Celestials. The Light - since the first Warcraft novel by Metzen, "Of Blood and Honor", has been depicted as a Christian God and is shown to be active in events.

    Furthermore, the way Dezco’s powers are described in Bleeding Sun have no overlap with the abilities that Paladin’s and Priests draw upon from the Light. It’s clear that Tauren Sunwalkers are NOT Paladins and do not draw upon the Light. They are classified as Paladins for game purposes only, because it’s impractical design an entire class that can only be used by one race for lore purposes when you can just slot that lore class into an existing gameplay class (like how Dark Rangers in lore are their own thing but in gameplay they’re just marksmanship hunters). I wish that Sunwalker Tauren had gotten unique spell effects, but alas.

    Also, if An'she really is The Light or a Naaru…



    Imagine Blizzard saying that. Actually, wait. I can.



    Given how Blizzard dismantled the Light as an actual god after Metzen left, and they've just dismantled Elune, there is no way Blizzard is going to reintroduce another actual god. From now on everyone is going to be a greek-esque super you and kill if your powerlevel is high enough.



    An'she, but thankfully it seems that he has been forgotten so at least he can't be ruined. At least we Sunwalkers can have the dignity of our lore not being run over by an 18-wheeler and thrown into a ditch.




    Nailed it.



    Some thing shouldn't be "uncovered". Some things are perfectly fine - and work best - if left alone.



    With the current WoW team you'll be disappointed. The Metzen days are seven years past.
    Holy Moly. i'm glad they toned down on the "religion" thing you liked so much. Keep that crap out of my game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    I wonder how this affects Tauren religion and cosmology, since An'she is said to be Elune's brother.

    Oh, who am I kidding; no one on the current WoW creative team remembers An'she or the Sunwalkers, and even if they did they wouldn't do An'she justice.
    I don't even think blizzard team even cares about taurens anymore, for then only Mayla and Baine "no balls" bloodhoof matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    Cool, anyone that doesn't agree with your theories is dumb. How does this help any discussions?
    And then when it be Eonar, be like I know it was Eonar, blizz can't write for shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Dont know shit about FF but I highly doubt that.
    FF have some beings that are universal.

    WoW ain't touching them.

    Lightning solos them lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    Going back to the Old Gods, how many people found them more intimidating or interesting after Chronicle than before?
    I found them absolutely not intimidating.

    they felt like a joke and are a joke.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    They had no prior build-up and instead tried to leech off of already established things people are familiar with. The Scourge? Maldraxxus did that. The Lich King? The Jailer did that. Frostmourne? The Runecarver made that. Sargeras corruption by demons and everything resulting from that? Also the Jailer's plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymore View Post
    Also worth noting, when you aid Eonar during the Legion raid (the name escapes me at the moment), I believe the name of the planet you visit is "Elunaria". Pretty similar to Elune, right?

    I think Eonar was SUPPOSED to be "Elune", as well as "the Earth-mother", symbolizing that both the Tauren and Night Elves understood aspects of Eonar, but not the full scope.

    However, Legion wound up sort of blowing its "Titan" load a bit early, and as a result, the Pantheon felt like a bunch of losers instead of the literal creators of the universe.

    So, the retconned the Titans to be one "Pantheon" of many, and I think in doing so, decided that they would do something different with Elune. Especially since Elune-fans are hell-bent on the idea of "Elune is some super-special being who ought to be way more powerful than anything else!".

    More than likely, Blizzard is still trying to figure out what to do with "Elune". It sounds like she's going to be part of the "Pantheon of Life", as the Titans are seemingly "the Pantheon of Order" and the Covenant leaders are "the Pantheon of Undeath".
    Eonar was never supposed to be Elune.


    Even in the old RPG books Elune was a separate entity ( SHADOW AND LIGHT RPG BOOK ) that was level 85ish while eonar was 35.


    https://ibb.co/RCfy8x9

    Elune was always , in blizzard's mind, the powerhouse far above titans and old gods, even Sargeras.


    Moreover, since the 9.1 event creates a NEW Tear of Elune, the one we got in Legion was not a fabrication of Eonar. So Eonar is ruled out, and is probably simply a priestess of Elune. ( or a Third Sister )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    The reason why it's irritating is because these characters not only lack flavor or nuance enough to carry the top of the power structure, but also because it seems to be completely pointless. They're just the Titans, but not the Titans. It's Danuser adding some new nonsense for the sake of adding things which are identical to previous things save that they're bigger.
    It's a case of "I can do it better."

    Except he can't. The end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    It doesn't. And now this just massively nerfs Elune to just another titan like random, rather than being an actual goddess she was implied to be all this time.
    Well, you know, the Night Elves like Elune.

    So Elune can't possibly be a competent deity of her own. The WoW team won't let that happen.

  12. #392
    We're all watching the sisters thing from a blood related PoV.

    If Elune is a First One that created Naaru, she could have created her own sister or adopted one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suddy View Post
    And then when it be Eonar, be like I know it was Eonar, blizz can't write for shit
    I don't understand what you're trying to say here.
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    Could Azeroth be Elune and she's the counterpart of Zovaal, e.g. the "unborn" / "unawakened" leader of the Life Pantheon? Or are Azeroth and Elune some kind of duality (like twin planets / twin moons, whatever).
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlordJohnstone View Post
    What I find cute is how you thought the Titans were the ultimate power in all of WoW, when that was debatable at most.
    So you're going to insist on missing the point then.

    Spelling it out. All this new "lore" is Danuser copying existing ideas and themes, putting another name on them, claiming they inspired the existing lore, and hoping people buy it. Fortunately for him, there's people like you who either don't realize that or defend it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Let's look at the eras of Warcraft lore over the years:

    • WC1 lore was throwaway lines made up by the voice actor who was brought in to narrate the game while he was in the recording booth. WC2 lore had a little more effort put in but that was it.
    • WC3 through Wrath lore (started with the novel "Of Blood and Honor" and the adventure game that was cancelled) was painstackingly crafted by Metzen.
    • Cata through MoP: Metzen is still in charge but religion begins to be downplayed (probably by a mandate from Blizzard) but is still overall consistent with the lore since WC3.
    • WoD: Metzen leaves. The new creative team takesover and immediately begins dismantling the Light, retconning it from being a "yes really god" in the setting to being "just another elemental force like Arcane or Fel". The new creative team also goes on a mass retcon spree (not that Metzen didn't retcon stuff but he never did it to this degree). At this point it is clear that the writers are making stuff up as they go along and have no respect for the work laid down by prior writers, and don't respect the intelligence of the fans.
    This is a very good summary.

    Can't wait for 2 or 3 expansions from now when the next "higher tier" precursor race is introduced. "Who are the precursors who were around before The First Ones?"
    Good to know someone else can see through the bullshit.

    Not to derail too much but it's obvious that FFXIV has been living rent free in Blizzard's head. Going by population metrics, FFXIV will soon overtake WoW in subscriber numbers in a couple years or less (likely with the release of the Endwalker expansion). Over the past couple years, Blizzard consistently tries to line up WoW patch cycles with FFXIV patch cycles. Just look at how Blizzard waiting until FFXIV's 5.5 patch date was announced to announce WoW's 9.1 PTR at the same time is no coincidence, trying to keep WoW players from jumping ship by teasing them new WoW stuff to try out (even if it is unfinished). And the Shadowlands expansion was blatantly named such to try to be conflated with the Shadowbringers expansion and get similar search results when people look up ShB.
    Remember, the defenders actually believe WoW is still in its glory days with no challengers even close, and anyone pointing out reality is a "hater".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Engal View Post
    Eonar was never supposed to be Elune.


    Even in the old RPG books Elune was a separate entity ( SHADOW AND LIGHT RPG BOOK ) that was level 85ish while eonar was 35.


    https://ibb.co/RCfy8x9

    Elune was always , in blizzard's mind, the powerhouse far above titans and old gods, even Sargeras.


    Moreover, since the 9.1 event creates a NEW Tear of Elune, the one we got in Legion was not a fabrication of Eonar. So Eonar is ruled out, and is probably simply a priestess of Elune. ( or a Third Sister )
    Elune had pretty badass design in RPG books



    can't wait to see their upcoming shitty redesign.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    They had no prior build-up and instead tried to leech off of already established things people are familiar with. The Scourge? Maldraxxus did that. The Lich King? The Jailer did that. Frostmourne? The Runecarver made that. Sargeras corruption by demons and everything resulting from that? Also the Jailer's plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlordJohnstone View Post
    Wouldn't make since, considering the name. Meaning, the First Ones came FIRST! Then Light and Shadow, then everything else.

    Unless you want to make deities that came before absolute 0 (Which...are kinda already the First Ones lmao).

    You completely missed the point.


    Quote Originally Posted by Feanoro View Post
    So you're going to insist on missing the point then.

    Spelling it out. All this new "lore" is Danuser copying existing ideas and themes, putting another name on them, claiming they inspired the existing lore, and hoping people buy it. Fortunately for him, there's people like you who either don't realize that or defend it.

    I see what you are saying and agree to an extent. Mostly the implementation of big lore reveals, their impact, and if it's believable. But does it really matter where the inspiration for "new" lore, that overrides "old" lore, since no matter what it becomes canon and we have to deal with it? Is it that significantly bad?


    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHunter18 View Post
    Elune had pretty badass design in RPG books

    *image snip*

    can't wait to see their upcoming shitty redesign.

    I wouldn't expect her to look like a Night Elf... unless somehow Blizzard adds lore stating that Elune "guided" the evolution of Trolls into Night Elves to mirror her appearance, or some shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Dont know shit about FF but I highly doubt that.
    What’s there to doubt? Being flashier and shit doesn’t make you more powerful a verse lmao. Hell, none of these fuckers in FFXIV have gone to space yet. Lightning, some deities, etc can be extremely powerful sure. But I also got WoW to like Outerversal and shit. So yeah

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHunter18 View Post
    Elune had pretty badass design in RPG books



    can't wait to see their upcoming shitty redesign.
    ACTUALLY, the Titans and their RPG designs (tho they had a canon art thingy too) were made canon in 7.3. So, Elune could still look like that, if not similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlordJohnstone View Post
    What’s there to doubt? Being flashier and shit doesn’t make you more powerful a verse lmao. Hell, none of these fuckers in FFXIV have gone to space yet. Lightning, some deities, etc can be extremely powerful sure. But I also got WoW to like Outerversal and shit. So yeah
    And that somehow makes warcraft better...?

    At first I thought you were arguing that Warcraft has stronger base on which it can build the story, but you instead went for "My dad can beat your dad!" bullshit. I am impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanoro View Post
    So you're going to insist on missing the point then.

    Spelling it out. All this new "lore" is Danuser copying existing ideas and themes, putting another name on them, claiming they inspired the existing lore, and hoping people buy it. Fortunately for him, there's people like you who either don't realize that or defend it.

    This is a very good summary.

    Good to know someone else can see through the bullshit.

    Remember, the defenders actually believe WoW is still in its glory days with no challengers even close, and anyone pointing out reality is a "hater".
    No idea where you got the assumption that the First Ones are a copy of the Titans.

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    “You’re defending it and are missing the point” . I got the point just fine. You’re just upset that your wanking of the Titans didn’t go to plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    And that somehow makes warcraft better...?

    At first I thought you were arguing that Warcraft has stronger base on which it can build the story, but you instead went for "My dad can beat your dad!" bullshit. I am impressed.
    In what instance, when I say it’s “stronger” do I mean it’s story? The fuck?

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