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  1. #581
    Quote Originally Posted by DatToffer View Post
    Fuck the chosen one plots. We already have the draenei for that.
    The Draenei weren't really chosen in the same way. Velen was if anything, and they were left as they were basically outside of the Lightforged.

    It was more like recruitment in the Draenei's case.

  2. #582
    Quote Originally Posted by DatToffer View Post
    Fuck the chosen one plots. We already have the draenei for that.
    That's really not the important part here. Elune doesn't look like a Night Elf. Night Elves look like Elune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    Cause all Titans look Humanoid?
    If elune can look like a goodamn mutated troll earthmother can look like a tauren

    look how we are not even talking about the azeroth titan itself, but the earthmother.

    Argus doesn't even have Ears, a Nose, or even a fuckin brain. His body isn't even Eredar-esc. How is he akin to the Eredar?
    argus look is to resemble eredar yes

  4. #584
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    so you missed how the zandalari worshiped their own version of elune? as the loa Lun'alai ? even dark trolls obviously already had that kind of worship, "elune worship" is before the night elves and goes far back to the zandalari, why she would actually look like a night elf when night elves only came to be from mutated trolls by arcane magic?
    With exception of Bwonsamdi, who was raised to the ranks of loa from some race of primordial trolls, do any loa look like trolls? It would be more surprising if a being that spans multiple planets looks like a race only native to one. It seems far more likely to me that the Well's energies, combined with Elune worship, transformed the trolls to look like her.

    With respect to the dwarf/human Earthmother, if that is supposed to be an incarnation of Azeroth, it makes some amount of sense (though it would've been nice to have a troll-ish or taurn avatar). The earthen were literally made from her crust, so the resemblance between them has a bit of connection. The fact she also took Magni to be her speaker (don't get me started on Magni...) suggests there's a closer link to dwarves and Azeroth than the non-Titan created races (which also seems odd since even the trolls and tauren were influenced by Azeroth's latent world soul through the magic of the well of eternity, so all life on Azeroth has been affected by a titan in some form or another, even non-natives like Draenei and Orcs).

    Even Argus looks like a blue human wearing a fancy helmet. No hooves. No tail. Definitely not Eredar.

  5. #585
    Quote Originally Posted by geco View Post
    Cenarisus does not seem to have siblings to help the other races.
    Weirdly enough, Cenarius was helping the tauren even before the night elves came to be. You could say he looked like a night elf even before the actual night elves looked like themselves. Weird.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    The Draenei weren't really chosen in the same way. Velen was if anything, and they were left as they were basically outside of the Lightforged.

    It was more like recruitment in the Draenei's case.
    I guess, yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aresk View Post
    With exception of Bwonsamdi, who was raised to the ranks of loa from some race of primordial trolls, do any loa look like trolls?
    right, if they don't look like trolls, why they would like a night elf?

    if it means they can take the form they want, (elune taking night elf form) why the earthmother would be a human to talk to a tauren? it does not even need to be "cnaon form of azeroth" but if she is rpesenting himself as the earthmother, to a tauren, in the art, she should be a tauren period.

    are we seriously not seeing ho this is flawed by default?

  7. #587
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    are we seriously not seeing ho this is flawed by default?
    It's frustratingly flawed yeah.

    But also, consider this.

    Night elves never actually saw Elune, and thus depict her as looking like a Night Elf. -> The artwork is an interpretation

    Tauren likely saw the Earthmother, and since we have to believe it is a manifestation of Azeroth's world soul, she has to look human (because fuck actually designing cosmic entities). -> The artwork is an illustration.

    Both are just disappointingly expected.

  8. #588
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Or that she remolded them over time based on her own appearance since Night Elves were evolutions, since they're supposed to be basically her chosen race.
    Yes, I've thought that as well, - i mean, dark trolls probably loved the stars too, being nocturnal, and during their well gazing (maybe they loved the well so much because they could see doubt the heavens.. ) but Elune took interest in their curious benevolent nature,

    Or, maybe once upon a time she manifested, and in the most beautiful form ever, that of pure starlight they loved so much. She shone like the moon, and maybe hteir brains formed some sort of mental image of a human merged with troll, and that image in their mind is what they longed for.

    Her appearance is what drew them to study the well more, to find that beauty that ethereal glimpse of a being of pure starlight, hair shining like the moon, skin purple dark like the waters before her, her clothes of starlight.. entranced and drawn to good feel factor, they searched the well, observed it, looked at it, studied it endlessly in search of her, and this is how they awoken.

    Could be at the same time she saw them, these were different from the other trolls, they weren't interest in political power, conquest or violence, they were peaceful, benevolent and very curious, they learnt quick and always applied that knowledge to help . Where the other troll tribes would kill and eat a wounded animal, they would instead nurture it, where another troll group would just take for granted the heavens or the drop of a leaf or the movement of hte wind, they would gaze and study for hours. A rock would fall they'd not just curry in fear, but try to find out how it happened and prevent it, they would do so for other living creatures too.

    They were not just drawn to Elune, she was drawn to them, the well's arcane energies continued to bathe them and change them, and she guided their transformation fashioned by their will. Peering into their minds, she saw the image they desired most, and it was that of what they became later, the night elf.. but the truth is, that image was the image of her their minds had formulated when they would glimpse her - so in a sense the wills guided them to that form, under the goddess' direction via the well's energy.

    And voila.. night elf


    Not bad for on the spot huh?

    I got tempted to free roll write:

    Drawing from Username99277 and Ravenmoon's post:
    So in a round about ways, the night elf came to be because of their love of the stars, the light of the stars and perfect round white of the moon. As they developed, they would ever look upwards, fascinated by the stars, they mapped and formed constellations and learnt to draw power from the heavens as well as the well, one of the primary motivations of learning magic was to reach the stars to draw closer to Elune and her children the night elves who are reflected in the stars, every night elf born has a unique star. They would build and arrange their homes in the pattern of the stars, while their cities rested on nexus leyline intersections massive spell configurations to draw in the magic from the stars, and from the world beneath., the stars would inform them of the futures and destinies of their offspring, names were determined by star date, events were linked to star dates - a practice that exists to this days, all night elves have full names, but druids and sentinels have traditions that give them initiation names based on some aspect of nature or their adventure/training they excel at e.g. Tyrande and Malfuiron are names that are part of their star names, Stormrage however is a designation.. some families who achieve particularly noteworthy acts are given names accordingly. Which is why you have Stormrage, or Stargaze, Whisperwind, Shadowsong in addition to a star name like Aluriel, Maiev, Elisande, Mordant. For outsider sake, they give the shortened name. a families achievement name with the first name of the star name.

    once the augurs consult the stars for your newborn, your life is heralded on the path you will take.. in the pre-sundering civilization this was HEAVY, society had roles already predetermined from birth by this, your stars told your future, determined your mate, everything.. this carries on in all night elf societies, except newborn nightborne.. because of the shield, what the Star augurs did instead would map the current constellations via projection, so based on these memories and the archives of the night sky, they would know what star sign the child should be.. although blizzard can change that to say they adopted different methods.

    the main point is as Ravenmoon said, this establishes a star fundamental embedding of the night elves that is in their Elune worship order, druidism and their arcane civilization.. so even when they segregated, all night elves follow this, connected by their love for the stars and these traditions that are amongst all of them, whether your Highborne or lowborne, or in the new society whether druid or priests or just civilian..whether you've been isolated in a city like Eldre'thalas or Suramar or a forest like Ashenvale to Hyjal or Val'sharah - they all have it.

    Switching over to High Elves
    In the transition to High elves, hating all things kaldorei - rejecting the Highborne civilization because it summoned the legion, and rejecting the long vigil mandate because it refused to see sense, and worse banished them for doing what was clearly the best thing for their people - talk about trying to help your people and they instead choose fear and superstition that had little evidence (Malfurion couldn't prove Darth'remar was wrong), exiling you .. cutting you off from the magical protections and connections (how did Cenarius even do it??)

    Well where was Elune The nights were cold and merciless, the sun brought warmth that guided them heat that helped them in the cold north traverse, they ditched kaldorei customs, ditched Elune, did away with the rigours of rigid structure o kaldorei civilization, they would build a new one, better than the former, brighter, freer, magic would be freely practised and responsibly, there would be no discrimination on using the arcane. They would respect magic and not be haughty or reckless and they would ward against the twisting nether fighting their spells.

    new customs, replacement traditions, new religion would emerge, a philosophy based on logic and pragmatism - the light was real, and there was magic there, they knew it, but they didn't believe in a goddess, and sure enough they learnt how to harness the light and all the positive emotions and virtue that enhanced it. They were good people, noble too, virtuous.

    While most of the arcane knowledge was lost, they worked hard to build on what they had in their own heads from 3,000 years ago. they were gifted and bright, and the brightness of the sun became their symbol. Like a phoenix that rise born anew from the ashes, this being symbolised their rebirth.

    they would be high elves. Structurally, they used the same terms for things that night elves have always used, and academic terminology and structure remained the same, this is why you arcanists and magisters in both night elf and high elf kingdoms - those things wouldn't change, but a lot of things changed. system of governance, there was no lowborn class, no priest caste, no multiple nobility castes, besides 3,000 years under the long vigil, that sort of segregation the Hyjal community abandoned, they didn't restore it, they got rid of.

    All would be equal, all were high borne, they would be a race of higher elves. not bound by fear and superstition, but by hard facts, rigorous study, principles and proofs, bound by a strong moral and technical code, they would suffer no t the arrogance and reckless hubris that led to the corruption of the former queen.

    in time, they would have societal hierarchies, as Darth'remar was crowned king, the were would be leaders of institutions as their numbers replenished and their society grew, some retained names from the kaldorei civilization, others were completely new. New to reflect the new location, new magics they learnt and incorporated.


    And so they are their own unique and bright elven culture and society, and while they share the love for the arcane and similarities with the academic structures as well as recent freedom from the pain of addiction (compared to most kaldorei for whom that was 10,000 years ago), their culture is still very different from the kaldorei civilization culture of the Nightborne. No star focus or tradition, no night fascination and glorification of the moon, no Elune, no celestial influence. They have astromnacers, recently, but only purely from a magical harnessing point of view, no spirituality or tradition or superstition attached to it.

  9. #589
    I personally don't see all those reasons to be upset about the "possible" appearences of these entities.

    The "earthmother" shouldn't look like a Tauren, she predates them and was not their creator, they are cow people because their "god" and being they descend from is Niuzao.

    Elune looking like an elf and not a troll is because things should be seen in the opposite way: It's Night Elves (and by extension, elves in general) that look like Elune.
    Her guidance (and the Well of Eternity) shaped those first dark trolls to mutate in a shape that's closer to her, also because it's good for old lore consistency reason.

  10. #590
    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy View Post
    I liked how Elune looked in the official WoW RPG(though it's not considered as canon)
    And now she looks like a children's book character:


    Quote Originally Posted by Gehco View Post
    Could this be how Azeroth looks like?

    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    the tiatns look like the race of their own planet, like argus looking like an eredar.
    How the hell did you reach that conclusion?
    They look nothing alike (except for the blue skin):

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  11. #591
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    That Elune design is simply of a Folklore book. May not even be her real design. Tyrande's design from the recent 9.1 Cinematic leak looks VERY much akin to the RPG Elune design. Not to mention the Titans kept their RPG designs mainly.

  12. #592
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    The big one is Elune, the small one the blue child (small moon of Azeroth)
    The other Person is the Earth Mother and its pretty clear in the book that the Earth Mother is not Azeroth (Titan)

    I think the fairytale book should be taken with a big grain of salt since its an unreliable narrator and that is probably true for the art aswell.

  13. #593
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    @username993720

    That Elune design is simply of a Folklore book. May not even be her real design. Tyrande's design from the recent 9.1 Cinematic leak looks VERY much akin to the RPG Elune design. Not to mention the Titans kept their RPG designs mainly.
    What 9.1 cinematic? can you link it here? i might have missed it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hellspawn View Post
    @username993720

    The big one is Elune, the small one the blue child (small moon of Azeroth)
    The other Person is the Earth Mother and its pretty clear in the book that the Earth Mother is not Azeroth (Titan)

    I think the fairytale book should be taken with a big grain of salt since its an unreliable narrator and that is probably true for the art aswell.
    Isn't the Blue Child supposed to be the Winter Queen? because she said they were sisters.

    Can i get a quote? haven't read the book, so i don't know what is said about the Earth Mother.

    To me, everything they release is meant to imply and hint at something in the future. So, i'm not taking it with a grain of salt. I believe it was very intentional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Isn't the Blue Child supposed to be the Winter Queen? because she said they were sisters.
    No, that was only speculation.

    Each folktale in the fairytale book portrays the blue child as Elunes daughter.
    What 9.1 cinematic? can you link it here? i might have missed it...
    https://www.wowhead.com/news/updated...ematics-322917


    It's just one scene that they forgot to edit out from one of the promos, not the whole cinematic.
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  15. #595
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    No, that was only speculation.

    Each folktale in the fairytale book portrays the blue child as Elunes daughter.
    Oh, she has a daughter now? cool... i wonder who it is (and with whom). So, Cenarius has a sibling? Winter Queen is their aunt?

    https://www.wowhead.com/news/updated...ematics-322917


    It's just one scene that they forgot to edit out from one of the promos, not the whole cinematic.


    She looks nothing like her (to me):
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    This is the full cinematic, which is currently the background of the 9.1 reveal page on the official site:

    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." - Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Oh, she has a daughter now? cool... i wonder who it is (and with whom). So, Cenarius has a sibling? Winter Queen is their aunt?
    Sorry, i was wrong.
    In 'Eyes of the Earth Mother' the blue child is the Earth moms Tear, which essentially makes them Mu'sha and An'she's sibbling.
    In 'The Embrace' she is Elunes daughter, born of Elunes love for Azeroth.

    Wowpedia has summaries of each story
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Eye...e_Earth_Mother
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Embrace

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  18. #598
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    This is the full cinematic, which is currently the background of the 9.1 reveal page on the official site:

    They just painted her with starlight.
    Do you think it will be a customization option for a Night Warrior class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Sorry, i was wrong.
    In 'Eyes of the Earth Mother' the blue child is the Earth moms Tear, which essentially makes them Mu'sha and An'she's sibbling.
    In 'The Embrace' she is Elunes daughter.

    Wowpedia has summaries of each story
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Eye...e_Earth_Mother
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Embrace
    Two different sources?
    Which one is canon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    They just painted her with starlight.
    Do you think it will be a customization option for a Night Warrior class?
    Unsure on that score. From what I can piece together from the PTR, it seems Tyrande isn't fully de-powered or stops being the Night Warrior, she's only stabilized by offloading the power she can't control among the other Night Warrior souls. It seems possible, even likely, that something will happen with this in the same vein as the Night Warrior customization Night Elves got previously, although what that will be and to what extent I can't say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Two different sources?
    Which one is canon?
    Same source, they are both short stories of the same books.

    The Folk & Fairy Tales of Azeroth is a collection of short stories from all kinds of in-universe cultures.

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