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  1. #221
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    My advice? Put bare mininum damage in next time, let them deal with it, unfortunately World Content is a dog eat dog world, assume nobody is going to aid you because that's just the reality of it these days, you've gotta be an asshole in a world full of assholes just to get by.

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    When wow became more of a job i guess, is the thing of "i can't have fun while doing this "off-topic" thing, i have to grind and get more ilv/ap" or "no time for noobs just want to kill this thing quickly and go away"

    But see, you went a bit passive-aggressive, people are on the edge, they will lash out for less, so, even you stop caring i guess?

    One day i was creating groups to kill the rares in bfa, the corrupted part of mop you know, those areas had massive lag in the first weeks, so it was hard to cal everyone, and some people would start the fight an just blast the rare without waiting, one guy was so mad that he didn't get invite that he lashed out, said any racist/xenophoby thing he could and mute me, now and then he unmute me to say more.

  3. #223
    Because there is no need to help and work together.

    I really think that is what it comes down to.
    You can't *expect* help when help is not needed and the other person doesn't require it himself.

    Open world content is such a bore in this game, I wouldn't be able to bother for anyone but myself either, especially in the maw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NatePsy View Post
    My advice? Put bare mininum damage in next time, let them deal with it, unfortunately World Content is a dog eat dog world, assume nobody is going to aid you because that's just the reality of it these days, you've gotta be an asshole in a world full of assholes just to get by.
    When all you can play as is the mercenary, you know you are no longer playing an rpg.

  5. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by ellieg View Post
    It sounds passive aggressive to me. And you were honestly expecting an apology from a dude playing a video game in his spare time that probably had 0 idea u were at risk of dying. I just don't think thats realistic at all. His responses weren't ok but probably was in shock at the thought u wanted an apology from him
    It's kinda weird... How they are supposed to go on their knees and apologies for something like this.

    I wonder if he does the same in the real world. If someone didn't hold up a door to him. Just walks up and "why didn't you hold up the door, huh?". My guess is no, but that's what's being asked of the strangers in this situation.

  6. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    It's kinda weird... How they are supposed to go on their knees and apologies for something like this.

    I wonder if he does the same in the real world. If someone didn't hold up a door to him. Just walks up and "why didn't you hold up the door, huh?". My guess is no, but that's what's being asked of the strangers in this situation.
    "It would've been nice if you held the door open for me or got on your hands and knees to place a door stopper for me" I'd tell him to fuck off then too lol

  7. #227
    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    LoL isnt an MMO.

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    Why is this not the case for other MMO, including old ones?

    Why is WoW specifically known for being substantially worse than any other community?
    So? it's community is more toxic than wow, so it still counts.

  8. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    It's kinda weird... How they are supposed to go on their knees and apologies for something like this.

    I wonder if he does the same in the real world. If someone didn't hold up a door to him. Just walks up and "why didn't you hold up the door, huh?". My guess is no, but that's what's being asked of the strangers in this situation.
    WORSE.

    He at least get to see the person not holding the door for him and thus have a lot more information compare to a stranger playing a casual portion of WOW not committing to helping him, sure he still doesn't know what is in the person's mind, but the OP lacks empathy he doesn't care either way.

  9. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    "Sorry about that, I didn't have friendly health bars on and didn't know you needed help. Also sorry for not rezzing you when the elite was dead and making you run across the entire zone to get your loot and stygia back. My bad." It's what I would've done. Are people really that jaded that they see every comment as an attack on themselves? The number of "you were being passive aggressive so you deserve anything you get" responses are baffling.
    This cant be real - do people REALLY think this way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    It's kinda weird... How they are supposed to go on their knees and apologies for something like this.

    I wonder if he does the same in the real world. If someone didn't hold up a door to him. Just walks up and "why didn't you hold up the door, huh?". My guess is no, but that's what's being asked of the strangers in this situation.
    Worse than that, they are annoyed someone didn't go out of their way to open a door for someone, a door they are not even themselves going through.
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    Any sane person would see your a moron.

  10. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Phayde View Post
    If I had to guess (though present, I didn't game online, so I didn't experience the positive community), I'd say in the 90s, the internet & online gaming was fresh and new, so people were nicer because everyone was wide eyed, and in awe. Then people realized the internet also brought anonymity, so people could be dicks. And here we are. Probably one of the reasons a lot of folks just prefer to play solo, but of course that can also lead to the behavior you experienced since a solo player could be less likely to have a sense of community.

    To quote Zed from Men in Black, "Sucks, huh".
    Nah. I was around back then. People were dicks pretty much from the start.
    The trade channel for example was ALWAYS horrible.
    tl;dr: without a guild you get the pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    Feeling a bit down, so sorry for this blogpost.

    I wernt down to the Maw early today, was in the mood to do the hunt. I called out in general that I was going there, got no response. Saw no one there. Cleared the first round, called out in general. Cleared second round. Third round. Finally the boss is up. And finally two other people show up. An unholy death knight and a retribution paladin. We go in and my dps is the highest so I get aggro. I was immediately wishing I'd gone restoration affinity or even guardian spec, that thing hit pretty hard. Right near the end one of the adds edges behind me, dazes me, and I get killed by a tower blast.

    So I run back to my body, and see the paladin running by. I whisper him thusly "Some heals or a taunt when I was low would've been appreciated." Nothing offensive, right? And he unloads at me quite a bit of vitriol.

    "I wasn't aware I was signing up for LFR when I came down to the Maw"
    "If you can't handle your own business you have no business playing, go die"
    And some third line I can't remember.

    So I reply "What's the big deal? I was tanking that thing for you the least you could do is throw me some offheals, I know ret has some good ones." But he'd already had me on ignore. I mean, really. If he'd gotten aggro I would've thrown my instant regrowths on him if he needed them, it's only common decency. To not only not get that, but to get attacked in such a way. I kinda miss the 90s. Players seemed nicer to each other in online games, since the idea of playing with another person possibly on the other side of the world was a novel idea then. You seemed to want to walk up to that guy, ask what he was doing, and make friends. Now it's "that guy died helping me? He deserved it."
    So let me get this right, You misplayed then tried to shift the blame to an other person? Good for that guy. I would have roasted the fuck out of you. So basically next time, don't be a noob and use a threat add-on and manage it. GG.
    A right wing person is the type of person who gets offered a meal for free but doesn't like it, So not to be rude they pick around what they do like not to offend anyone, A left wing person gets offered the same meal they don't like but instead of eating any of it, They throw the plate on the ground and start screaming at the chef.

  12. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by Reclaimer View Post
    So let me get this right, You misplayed then tried to shift the blame to an other person? Good for that guy. I would have roasted the fuck out of you. So basically next time, don't be a noob and use a threat add-on and manage it. GG.
    What does a threat addon have to do with anything?
    The most difficult thing for people to do is objectively look at something they don't like and be able to accept that it is not bad, that other people like it, and if it was changed to the way they'd like it that other people would not like it and want it changed back. The second most is to receive something they didn't want or ask for and be grateful for it, not immediately demand what they wanted instead.

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    with the rise of addons

  14. #234
    Quote Originally Posted by Venziir View Post
    Oh yeah, 90's online gaming was a hoot...
    As a dude who grew up playing online games in the late 90s/early '00s: It was just as bad then as it is now. PennyArcade's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory is just as relevant today as it was in 2004 when it was first introduced:


  15. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by froschhure View Post
    with the rise of addons
    Addons were a thing from the beginning. Hell, the original game let you automate so much stuff that Blizzard had to break and change a ton of things. Though to be fair the first time I saw anything like item level trackers wasn't until Wrath.
    The most difficult thing for people to do is objectively look at something they don't like and be able to accept that it is not bad, that other people like it, and if it was changed to the way they'd like it that other people would not like it and want it changed back. The second most is to receive something they didn't want or ask for and be grateful for it, not immediately demand what they wanted instead.

  16. #236
    World content is awful - irredeemably so. This game is designed around groups running instances where people have different roles.

    You’re not going to see people at their best when they’re just slogging through a pile of shit chores.
    Every single wow player should always try to make their own groups. Then you'd just have thousands of groups in group finder, without a single applicant.

  17. #237
    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    What does a threat addon have to do with anything?
    Nothing, you cannot see other's threat if you are not in the same group; shows how superficial people are, starting from reading, interpreting and writing skills.

    OP, I get the feeling behind you whispering to that pally, you were frustrated and just wanted to point out to him that he could have made a difference, in the hope that maybe next time he will help a total random player?! You also know by now that it was not the right thing to do and just asking for trouble.
    Always assume people are mean, that way you won't be disappointed and if anything, you will be pleasantly surprised when people are nice.

    I read every single reply in this thread and it makes me sad... it explains why the WoW community is so bad and we as a society are degrading at an alarming rate.
    How can you expect someone to help a stranger without expecting anything in return, are you crazy?!
    People play an MMO in single player mode until they need something, then they group up, not because they want to but because they need to. This is the main problem - somewhere on the way, the sense of needing to belong to a community was lost.

    I also noticed the excuse "I don't have friendly player nameplates enabled" a few times here. Erm, you don't need to, very few people have. All you need is target of target which one should safely assume that anyone that got to the Beastwarrens has that enabled.
    In case it needs explaining, the pally was attacking the same enemy as the druid therefore he surely noticed the druid's nameplate going low.

    I have played WoW since 2006, mainly healers and tanks and I never ever stopped helping players in the game, just random people I see out there needing some help. Sometimes I get whispers with thanks, sometimes nothing, almost never a bad comment. I don't expect anything from the start though because I'm old enough to know that a lot of people are just selfish entitled little aholes; I don't do it for them, I do it for me, it's what I like to do.

    OP, if you're trying to make the world a better place, you're going the wrong way to do so.
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  18. #238
    Quote Originally Posted by Pretorian View Post
    All you need is target of target which one should safely assume that anyone that got to the Beastwarrens has that enabled
    sure, you can assume that, but thats still it - assumption, its in no way certainty... and while you are at it you can assume he had some reason not to heal OP, we can also assume the whole situation happened completely different than Op tried to paint it, but, as with all assumptions mentioned, we simply DONT KNOW...

    if you help other players you meet, thats nice, i try to do so too, BUT you shouldnt expect everyone you meet have to help you...
    and whispering them passive aggresive bullshit afterwards is huge red flag, personaly i wouldnt even dignify that with answer...

  19. #239
    Quote Originally Posted by Pretorian View Post

    Erm, you don't need to, very few people have. All you need is target of target which one should safely assume that anyone that got to the Beastwarrens has that enabled.
    What else do I need to do and how else do I need to set up my UI? Do you want me to walk your dog while I'm at it? Do your dishes?

  20. #240
    honestly i see this a lot and think that it is necessary to find a social group of friends / guild mates that you get along with, and do stuff with them. with PUGs it's so unpredictable the kinds of people you will have to deal with. But with a guild it seems like there is a lot more positivity and cooperation.

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