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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    ok 5 months 1 week 3 hours and 32 second
    and i'll update this post daily -.-
    2 days since last update. Shape up!

  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Venziir View Post
    Oh yeah, 90's online gaming was a hoot...
    How to tell someone didn't actually play multiplayer games in the 90s they think the stuff now is toxic. Man I remember Halo 2 team slayer lobbies and Counterstrike and DoTA lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stabbyfists View Post
    Like I said, this has also infiltrated into FFXIV as well. I remember when you joined a dungeon for the 1st time, and you said "sorry, this is my first time" people were genuinely happy, and glad you were there because in exchange for helping you, they got extra tomestones, or bonus experience at the end of the dungeon if they were leveling, More stamps for their adventure book. Now recently, I joined Old world content again because I got my PS5 and wanted to unlock the new trophies and what I saw - New player joined, and said "Hi first time" and it was met with groans, and people LEAVING easy content. I honestly was shocked and appalled because for the most part, I sub to wow for the Epic raiding (The raid dungeons are vast and actually feel like raiding) and FFXIV for the Community (I also do savage mode) and well... if the community is becoming as toxic as wow's I might just quit FFXIV.
    My experience of FFXIV's community, and I haven't played for a while, was that about the time the first expansion came out the community as a whole 'learned' that serious raids 'required' good DPS from tanks and healers as well as DPS, and they started becoming quite offensive to players who didn't look for ways to DPS as healers, and to players who played the 'wrong' tanks (Paladins at the time, because they did so little DPS).

    This was not long after a whole bunch of people moved from WoW to FFXIV because of Blizzard's BS about flight in WoD, so while there's no hard evidence you could blame Blizzard for that if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    Its humerous seeing people act like this is the standard.

    Every online community has its vitriol but as far as MMO are concerned WoW is substantially worse than any other MMO. Even other MMO with a strong single player or "casual" focus.
    Well, there's EVE Online, where if someone isn't in your corp they're an enemy. Trash talk, scams, everything is legit there as long as your language isn't too foul and it stays in-game.

    So WoW's behaviour isn't the worst, but in EVE it's expected.

  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Kixxenn View Post
    I totally swiped this from someone, but fits perfectly for how I feel. More rewards for raiding and Torghast please.

    Actual reward structure a cap on ash going back to the beginning of the expansion not weekly so you can skip a week or two without it feeling like you are permanently behind. Also let us do it while leveling like palace of the dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    How to tell someone didn't actually play multiplayer games in the 90s they think the stuff now is toxic. Man I remember Halo 2 team slayer lobbies and Counterstrike and DoTA lol.
    Idk about Halo or CS (I've never been an FPS fan) but toxicity in Dota 1 was quite mild in my experience. Dota 2 is noticeably worse in that regard, but still a far cry from WoW or especially LoL, whose communities are &$#@ing Chernobyl - with a few exceptions.
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    As for the "hone your skills" argument that some are tossing around, fuck that. Most people want to have fun. They're not logging onto WoW, the video game, as a self-improvement project. That's a ridiculous notion and goes right along with the idea that the game is "work." If it's not 'play' then you're doing it wrong. Sadly this is a concept that the devs seem to have lost sight of in their quest to keep anyone and everyone busy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    How to tell someone didn't actually play multiplayer games in the 90s they think the stuff now is toxic. Man I remember Halo 2 team slayer lobbies and Counterstrike and DoTA lol.
    Oh please, online gaming in the 90's was niche as fuck - as was gaming in general.

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  7. #147
    Well, your in the maw.
    The maw is designed so horribly that no sane person is having a good time being there. Its like traffic, no1 likes traffic and no1 is nice to one another in traffic because of it.
    And you opened the conversation by blaming him for your death.

    What did you expect?
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  8. #148
    Were you 3 in a group? No? Then it was your own fault. I ninja invite people when doing content together, 90% people will accept and then they will feel responsibility for your death too, which means you are getting healed too, most of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    Why is this not the case for other MMO, including old ones?

    Why is WoW specifically known for being substantially worse than any other community?
    I think it has to do with the developers choices of the audiences they want to cater for. WoW attracts a lot of bad personality traits players.
    WoW forums in a nutshell:
    m8 i've been around since Feb 2005, I know it all.
    i outgrew the games playerbase.
    So I was using a gold dupe hack. I don't know why i was banned for this. It is so unfair.
    People need an incentive to play content. "Its fun!" is simply not enough.
    Btw iam multi glad so plz dont tell me how to play, kkthxbye

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Motorman View Post
    I think it has to do with the developers choices of the audiences they want to cater for. WoW attracts a lot of bad personality traits players.
    Lol what a self-entitled post, everyone is a bad personality trait because of your biased opinion.

    Why arent you the problem exactly but someone else is, dont even have to go into details but do let me know why you arent the problem ever.

  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Aphrel View Post
    Well, your in the maw.
    The maw is designed so horribly that no sane person is having a good time being there. Its like traffic, no1 likes traffic and no1 is nice to one another in traffic because of it.
    And you opened the conversation by blaming him for your death.

    What did you expect?
    Take some responsibility for your own actions. Saying you, or others, behaving badly because of not liking what partake in is just... Baffling.

    I suggest trying to be nice to others regardless if you like what you are in. It makes the situation more enjoyable as opposed to the opposite.

    You might be talking in general and not you personally, if so apply my statement to how people should act rather than take it personally. You can interpret your message both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    Feeling a bit down, so sorry for this blogpost.

    I wernt down to the Maw early today, was in the mood to do the hunt. I called out in general that I was going there, got no response. Saw no one there. Cleared the first round, called out in general. Cleared second round. Third round. Finally the boss is up. And finally two other people show up. An unholy death knight and a retribution paladin. We go in and my dps is the highest so I get aggro. I was immediately wishing I'd gone restoration affinity or even guardian spec, that thing hit pretty hard. Right near the end one of the adds edges behind me, dazes me, and I get killed by a tower blast.

    So I run back to my body, and see the paladin running by. I whisper him thusly "Some heals or a taunt when I was low would've been appreciated." Nothing offensive, right? And he unloads at me quite a bit of vitriol.

    "I wasn't aware I was signing up for LFR when I came down to the Maw"
    "If you can't handle your own business you have no business playing, go die"
    And some third line I can't remember.

    So I reply "What's the big deal? I was tanking that thing for you the least you could do is throw me some offheals, I know ret has some good ones." But he'd already had me on ignore. I mean, really. If he'd gotten aggro I would've thrown my instant regrowths on him if he needed them, it's only common decency. To not only not get that, but to get attacked in such a way. I kinda miss the 90s. Players seemed nicer to each other in online games, since the idea of playing with another person possibly on the other side of the world was a novel idea then. You seemed to want to walk up to that guy, ask what he was doing, and make friends. Now it's "that guy died helping me? He deserved it."
    Eh, you can't put people in the same category, though.

    Some people sadly tunnel vision or see it as their solo play with as little interaction as possible.
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  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    Take some responsibility for your own actions. Saying you, or others, behaving badly because of not liking what partake in is just... Baffling.

    I suggest trying to be nice to others regardless if you like what you are in. It makes the situation more enjoyable as opposed to the opposite.

    You might be talking in general and not you personally, if so apply my statement to how people should act rather than take it personally. You can interpret your message both ways.
    I feel like a fanboi at this point, well said, again.

    "We'll be nice to you if you are nice to us," said a wise creature with no body hair whatsoever.

    Apply it the other way as well, and we have come a long way.

  14. #154
    when cross server shit started to happen. the identity you create on your server is now gone, servers are pointless. all content can be defeated cross server thru finder.

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    My theory is that all the mature players got bored and moved on to other games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    How to tell someone didn't actually play multiplayer games in the 90s they think the stuff now is toxic. Man I remember Halo 2 team slayer lobbies and Counterstrike and DoTA lol.
    Halo 2 was 200s. Halo was 2001. Counterstrike is 1999 but really 2000. DOTA is '03 though.
    I'd say the late 90s around '98 is the breaking point honestly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigw View Post
    when cross server shit started to happen. the identity you create on your server is now gone, servers are pointless. all content can be defeated cross server thru finder.
    BINGO! CRZ is what ruined the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    I feel like a fanboi at this point, well said, again.

    "We'll be nice to you if you are nice to us," said a wise creature with no body hair whatsoever.

    Apply it the other way as well, and we have come a long way.
    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    BINGO! CRZ is what ruined the community.
    Now that's a massive load of garbage if I ever heard it, and quite the strawman.

    Let's start with Everquest and go from there, into WoW and this supposed 'CRZ ruined muh community' nonsense.

    While in Everquest there were two factions, 'good and evil', nothing stopped you from grouping with one another. The only limiter, really, was whether or not the NPCs (not mobs) would kill you on sight for being in the opposite faction. An Example: Dark Elven Dragoons patrolled a zone called 'The Overthere'. If you were a good faction and got caught, they'd slaughter you if you got caught.

    However, there were two other aspects going on: just about every raid boss was a World Boss (at least until I stopped playing, which was around Ykesha) and mobs rarely rubberbanded back to their spawn points.

    Since every zone was incredibly huge, sometimes you'd be running for a long time trying to zone out to lose aggro.

    Progressive Guilds were massive assholes to one another, something that carried over into Vanilla WoW, especially in the update that introduced AQ and the four dragons of nightmare. They'd try to wipe each other, steal aggro, out damage one another, all for the sake of loot, because back then, whoever did more damage, got looting rights.

    None of this 'first tag' nonsense. Same goes for rare spawns that dropped incredibly rare loot.

    And if you were running to zoneline, other people and other groups were in no way expected to 'help you'. If you or your group couldn't handle the zone, you either died or you left and returned when you were able to handle it. In a way, the Maw weeds out the weak.

    Perdition's Hold is especially good for this. As much as I absolutely hate that area of the maw. I asked my Guildies (MUH COMMUNITY) for help and if none were available, the LFG tool. As a squishy warlock, my 'ohshit' buttons were limited to health and soul stones. Trains happen/ed frequently as people overpulled (especially when the eyes were on the aggro table).

    I sure as hell didn't want to get put on the aggro table of the 10+ mobs chasing the poor warrior/shaman/etc that was running for their lives and near dead. What good would that do anyone? I'm not here to give you (general statement) warm fuzzies, especially since I don't know you.

    The Community never left.

    People have never stopped being 'assholes'.

    Rose tinted glasses are always rose tinted.

    etc.
    Just because I advocate your ability to play and enjoy WoW Classic doesn't mean I think it'll be successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    Feeling a bit down, so sorry for this blogpost.

    I wernt down to the Maw early today, was in the mood to do the hunt. I called out in general that I was going there, got no response. Saw no one there. Cleared the first round, called out in general. Cleared second round. Third round. Finally the boss is up. And finally two other people show up. An unholy death knight and a retribution paladin. We go in and my dps is the highest so I get aggro. I was immediately wishing I'd gone restoration affinity or even guardian spec, that thing hit pretty hard. Right near the end one of the adds edges behind me, dazes me, and I get killed by a tower blast.

    So I run back to my body, and see the paladin running by. I whisper him thusly "Some heals or a taunt when I was low would've been appreciated." Nothing offensive, right? And he unloads at me quite a bit of vitriol.

    "I wasn't aware I was signing up for LFR when I came down to the Maw"
    "If you can't handle your own business you have no business playing, go die"
    And some third line I can't remember.

    So I reply "What's the big deal? I was tanking that thing for you the least you could do is throw me some offheals, I know ret has some good ones." But he'd already had me on ignore. I mean, really. If he'd gotten aggro I would've thrown my instant regrowths on him if he needed them, it's only common decency. To not only not get that, but to get attacked in such a way. I kinda miss the 90s. Players seemed nicer to each other in online games, since the idea of playing with another person possibly on the other side of the world was a novel idea then. You seemed to want to walk up to that guy, ask what he was doing, and make friends. Now it's "that guy died helping me? He deserved it."
    The answer to your question is WotLK.

    With that out of the way, you were very much the asshole in that situation. You messed up and blamed it on another player. I certainly wouldn't have responded to your message in the way you say he did, but he was definitely right to be upset at you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    Feeling a bit down, so sorry for this blogpost.

    I wernt down to the Maw early today, was in the mood to do the hunt. I called out in general that I was going there, got no response. Saw no one there. Cleared the first round, called out in general. Cleared second round. Third round. Finally the boss is up. And finally two other people show up. An unholy death knight and a retribution paladin. We go in and my dps is the highest so I get aggro. I was immediately wishing I'd gone restoration affinity or even guardian spec, that thing hit pretty hard. Right near the end one of the adds edges behind me, dazes me, and I get killed by a tower blast.

    So I run back to my body, and see the paladin running by. I whisper him thusly "Some heals or a taunt when I was low would've been appreciated." Nothing offensive, right? And he unloads at me quite a bit of vitriol.

    "I wasn't aware I was signing up for LFR when I came down to the Maw"
    "If you can't handle your own business you have no business playing, go die"
    And some third line I can't remember.

    So I reply "What's the big deal? I was tanking that thing for you the least you could do is throw me some offheals, I know ret has some good ones." But he'd already had me on ignore. I mean, really. If he'd gotten aggro I would've thrown my instant regrowths on him if he needed them, it's only common decency. To not only not get that, but to get attacked in such a way. I kinda miss the 90s. Players seemed nicer to each other in online games, since the idea of playing with another person possibly on the other side of the world was a novel idea then. You seemed to want to walk up to that guy, ask what he was doing, and make friends. Now it's "that guy died helping me? He deserved it."
    Just curious but what did you hope to gain from whispering him "Some heals or a taunt when I was low would've been appreciated."?

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