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  1. #161
    Stopped caring and got surprised that i didnt want to play anymore with this valor system cap by mythic + achiev...
    Seems dumb, but i was thrilled to do low mythics to upgrade my gear slowly... high mythics put some stress up and im already too stressed irl...
    So ya
    No fun, no run

  2. #162
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gugabuga View Post
    Stopped caring and got surprised that i didnt want to play anymore with this valor system cap by mythic + achiev...
    Seems dumb, but i was thrilled to do low mythics to upgrade my gear slowly... high mythics put some stress up and im already too stressed irl...
    So ya
    No fun, no run
    lol

    So I wanna put this out there:

    The system is tuned specifically for people like you.

    There's absolutely no reason for you to get gear that is over your capacity to play. It sounds like you wanted to get better gear without putting in the proper effort, just so you can smash face in lower keys. You were appropriately geared for the content you were doing and if you wanted to get better gear, you need to 'git good' as people like to eloquently say.

    Sucks that higher keys stress you out, but that's not a systematic error, it's a user error.

    *Edit:

    And to add, you can slowly, potentially get better gear than your skill level by doing those lower keys, through the vault. But it's not a guaranteed thing. I'm currently sitting at 220 ilvl, yet i've never stepped foot in a mythic raid. It's not because of skill level though, but because I like my guild/community and i'm pretty happy having smashed heroic CN and gotten KSM.

    But again, that's on me, not the system.
    Last edited by Molvonos; 2021-05-03 at 12:14 PM.
    Just because I advocate your ability to play and enjoy WoW Classic doesn't mean I think it'll be successful.

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  3. #163
    I have never cared about other player's HP when in outdoors, be it vanilla, MoP or SL.
    It's about ppl not expac/timeline.

  4. #164
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    Quote Originally Posted by potis View Post
    Lol what a self-entitled post, everyone is a bad personality trait because of your biased opinion.

    Why arent you the problem exactly but someone else is, dont even have to go into details but do let me know why you arent the problem ever.
    Thank you for proving my point with your unwarranted accusations and attacks.
    WoW forums in a nutshell:
    m8 i've been around since Feb 2005, I know it all.
    i outgrew the games playerbase.
    So I was using a gold dupe hack. I don't know why i was banned for this. It is so unfair.
    People need an incentive to play content. "Its fun!" is simply not enough.
    Btw iam multi glad so plz dont tell me how to play, kkthxbye

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    Why is this not the case for other MMO, including old ones?

    Why is WoW specifically known for being substantially worse than any other community?
    Who says that WoW's players are worse than in other MMOs?
    In my experience a MMO like FF14 has a much more toxic player base.

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by T-34 View Post
    Who says that WoW's players are worse than in other MMOs?
    In my experience a MMO like FF14 has a much more toxic player base.
    Not true, FF14 has probably the most pleasant playerbase of any MMORPG. Chat is always clean, no name calling or anger or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Scientists would have flame wars on ARPANET in the 1970s. If you want to go back further, the founding fathers of the US would have flame wars via newspapers over setting up the Constitution in the 1700s. Its always been there.
    A big chunk of Hamilton is basically Alexander bragging about how he can trash his opponents in the presses lol

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Echocho View Post
    Not true, FF14 has probably the most pleasant playerbase of any MMORPG. Chat is always clean, no name calling or anger or anything.
    To each his own. For me FF14 is a perfect totalitarian state simulator where entitled players are encouraged by the developers to bully and harass players that want to put in an effort by reporting them for "being mean". It creates a toxic atmosphere of fear and mandatory mediocrity.

  9. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by Echocho View Post
    Not true, FF14 has probably the most pleasant playerbase of any MMORPG. Chat is always clean, no name calling or anger or anything.
    Yeah... no. Absolutly no. FF14 is exactly as toxic as every other MMORPG. And every MMORPG is not as toxic as MOBAs or shooter.

    People are so entitled and feel so superior, just because they play FF14 and are the enlightend crowd. I like playing FF14 as a single player now but people are so incredibly... thin skinned in FF14. Don't EVER say you also play wow while you are in FF14.

    OT: That just sounded very passive aggressive. I tend to help people in th world if i don't have to be somewhere quick. But still. I would have ignored you probably.
    Last edited by VinceVega; 2021-05-03 at 03:16 PM.

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    A big chunk of Hamilton is basically Alexander bragging about how he can trash his opponents in the presses lol
    Its kinda cringy to think the only way people know about how flame wars always existed is via Hamilton lol.
    TO FIX WOW:1. smaller server sizes & server-only LFG awarding satchels, so elite players help others. 2. "helper builds" with loom powers - talent trees so elite players cast buffs on low level players XP gain, HP/mana, regen, damage, etc. 3. "helper ilvl" scoring how much you help others. 4. observer games like in SC to watch/chat (like twitch but with MORE DETAILS & inside the wow UI) 5. guild leagues to compete with rival guilds for progression (with observer mode).6. jackpot world mobs.

  11. #171
    I think it's funny that hands-down every single person that claims FFXIV is "toxic" then goes on to expose themselves as just being salty that they can't be rampant jackasses in the game I don't even play FFXIV anymore and I know that it's such a better environment than in WoW. But then, pretty much every other MMO has a better social environment than WoW.
    Shut your goddamn mouth, Gene!

  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceboytg View Post
    I think it's funny that hands-down every single person that claims FFXIV is "toxic" then goes on to expose themselves as just being salty that they can't be rampant jackasses in the game I don't even play FFXIV anymore and I know that it's such a better environment than in WoW. But then, pretty much every other MMO has a better social environment than WoW.
    Yes apparently it's toxic to report people who are being toxic. It's better to leave it unchecked apparently and let people say whatever the hell they want to other players

  13. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    Feeling a bit down, so sorry for this blogpost.

    I wernt down to the Maw early today, was in the mood to do the hunt. I called out in general that I was going there, got no response. Saw no one there. Cleared the first round, called out in general. Cleared second round. Third round. Finally the boss is up. And finally two other people show up. An unholy death knight and a retribution paladin. We go in and my dps is the highest so I get aggro. I was immediately wishing I'd gone restoration affinity or even guardian spec, that thing hit pretty hard. Right near the end one of the adds edges behind me, dazes me, and I get killed by a tower blast.

    So I run back to my body, and see the paladin running by. I whisper him thusly "Some heals or a taunt when I was low would've been appreciated." Nothing offensive, right? And he unloads at me quite a bit of vitriol.

    "I wasn't aware I was signing up for LFR when I came down to the Maw"
    "If you can't handle your own business you have no business playing, go die"
    And some third line I can't remember.

    So I reply "What's the big deal? I was tanking that thing for you the least you could do is throw me some offheals, I know ret has some good ones." But he'd already had me on ignore. I mean, really. If he'd gotten aggro I would've thrown my instant regrowths on him if he needed them, it's only common decency. To not only not get that, but to get attacked in such a way. I kinda miss the 90s. Players seemed nicer to each other in online games, since the idea of playing with another person possibly on the other side of the world was a novel idea then. You seemed to want to walk up to that guy, ask what he was doing, and make friends. Now it's "that guy died helping me? He deserved it."
    Retail was changed from a MMO to basically Singleplayer in many aspects. You can not have LFD,LFR,Cross Realm,Sharding,Layering,cheap Server transfers and name changes, levelboosts, insane catchup mechanics and P2W mechanics in the game and expect that people focus on the social aspects of the game.

  14. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    Feeling a bit down, so sorry for this blogpost.

    I wernt down to the Maw early today, was in the mood to do the hunt. I called out in general that I was going there, got no response. Saw no one there. Cleared the first round, called out in general. Cleared second round. Third round. Finally the boss is up. And finally two other people show up. An unholy death knight and a retribution paladin. We go in and my dps is the highest so I get aggro. I was immediately wishing I'd gone restoration affinity or even guardian spec, that thing hit pretty hard. Right near the end one of the adds edges behind me, dazes me, and I get killed by a tower blast.

    So I run back to my body, and see the paladin running by. I whisper him thusly "Some heals or a taunt when I was low would've been appreciated." Nothing offensive, right? And he unloads at me quite a bit of vitriol.

    "I wasn't aware I was signing up for LFR when I came down to the Maw"
    "If you can't handle your own business you have no business playing, go die"
    And some third line I can't remember.

    So I reply "What's the big deal? I was tanking that thing for you the least you could do is throw me some offheals, I know ret has some good ones." But he'd already had me on ignore. I mean, really. If he'd gotten aggro I would've thrown my instant regrowths on him if he needed them, it's only common decency. To not only not get that, but to get attacked in such a way. I kinda miss the 90s. Players seemed nicer to each other in online games, since the idea of playing with another person possibly on the other side of the world was a novel idea then. You seemed to want to walk up to that guy, ask what he was doing, and make friends. Now it's "that guy died helping me? He deserved it."
    For WoW specifically it was when sharding/merging and solo que LFG came into the game. Single server community meant you were held accountable for being an ass because you had to interact with the same community all the time, what are the odds you are ever going to run into that specific person ever again? Thusly they dont give a fuck about being a dick, because there is no consequences for it.

  15. #175
    For all the talk about the community getting worse in WoW, who doesn't remember someone of the same faction trying to get you to pull extra mobs on Timeless Isle because they wanted the rare you were killing? Or people flying past you trying to kill the elite dragon for the argent tournament daily in Wotlk.

    To me this kind of mentality has always been in the game, though thankfully due to the changes to tagging at least now people might help out because they will get loot too.

  16. #176
    Haven't read the whole thread so only commenting on OP.

    Ask for a taunt when you're fighting the mob not whisper after it kills you. Not everyone know what kind of crazy instant 50k heals your class has or doesn't.
    Just a simple "/s taunt" will suffice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molvonos View Post
    Now that's a massive load of garbage if I ever heard it, and quite the strawman.

    Let's start with Everquest and go from there, into WoW and this supposed 'CRZ ruined muh community' nonsense.
    Each individual server community did. I run around everywhere on my server from level 1 to 60 all I see are people from Proudmore. Rare to see anyone from my own server doing anything world quests to whatever.

    Before CRZ you run around and see people from only your server. Someone is questing in this instance and you help. They will remember you. Now with CRZ I see someone questing they might as well be an NPC. I will never see them again. Why bother helping them or even talking to them? Why try to create a community?

  18. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    Take some responsibility for your own actions. Saying you, or others, behaving badly because of not liking what partake in is just... Baffling.

    I suggest trying to be nice to others regardless if you like what you are in. It makes the situation more enjoyable as opposed to the opposite.

    You might be talking in general and not you personally, if so apply my statement to how people should act rather than take it personally. You can interpret your message both ways.
    well yes, i meant in general.

    But the maw is just the backdrop that reduces patience.
    Blaming another person for ones death as an opener would be the trigger!
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    Wow, this is still going. So much negativity. People stop caring because when they care they get slapped in the face! Let’s just all think about it before inflicting hurt to one another.
    Last edited by Cloudmaker; 2021-05-04 at 09:40 AM.

  20. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by T-34 View Post
    To each his own. For me FF14 is a perfect totalitarian state simulator where entitled players are encouraged by the developers to bully and harass players that want to put in an effort by reporting them for "being mean". It creates a toxic atmosphere of fear and mandatory mediocrity.
    Yep, that is exactly what I thought when I heard this rule about no "damage meters allowed". I get that some folks rather not deal with that stuff but damn... that is some opressive rule. How do you even improve yourself without knowing what you do wrong?

    I once talked with a FF player about how you even know if people are up to the challenge of a raid. Both yourself and others.

    "There are dummys for the raid bosses to practice on."
    "Okay, do they do the mechanics of the raid boss?"
    "No."
    "Then how do they tell you anything about performance in the actual encounter, where you have to do both DPS and mechanics? That's like doing a dummy parse and expecting that number to be your raid damage."
    "uhm..."

    So this allows pretty much only two conclusions: Either boss mechanics are trivial and failing them will not impact the encounter and/or people are constantly unknowingly carrying others without giving consent.
    Feels like a very unattractive system to me. If we don't all try to do our best in our hobby and constantly improve, what is the point of even playing.

    Sorry for the excourse but this leads me to my point to the thread:

    It's not like people aren't caring about each other anymore, but most people just expect each other to pull their own weight. Is it really too much to ask that others put the same effort into the game as I do, when they want to be in my group? How is it possible that I know the class abilities of another player better then they do after they played the class for years?

    Sure I will help my friends and guild mates gear their characters when I have time, but I simply do not have enough free time to hold the hand of a pug that joins a group and will never be seen again afterwards and they know this.

    Just yesterday I leveled my Priest in some Normal dungeons. I ended up messing an easy mechanic (the Frost root on the last boss in NW) because my keybind was somehow not working (I must have deleted the Macro some time ago and did not realize, since I hadn't played the char for a while).
    The guy that died gave me an earfull I can tell you. And that after I had flawlessly healed the entire dungeon, despite numerous terrible pulls and failed interrupts. Obviously I am not wasting time explaining, it wouldn't have meant anything, I'll never see that guy again and the boss died anyway, so I shot something back and left to fix my button.

    In the pug world you can't be constantly offended. If you make a mistake you will get blasted for it. That's just how it goes. My boss at work will also chew me out if I make a big mistake, so what? I suck it up and go back to work.

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