9/11: 20th Anniversary

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Today marks the 20th Anniversary of the tragedies that happened on 9/11. Where were you [or your parents] when the first plane hit the tower all the way to when Bush promised justice for the victims?

https://timeline.911memorial.org/#Timeline/2

8:46am -- North Tower Hit


9:03am -- South Tower Hit


9:05am -- The President has been warned that the South Tower has been attacked


9:37am -- Pentagon Hit


9:59am -- South Tower collaspes


10:03am -- Flight 93 Crashes


10:28am -- North Tower collaspes


8:30pm -- President George W. Bush Speaks

[Bodakane]

I was opening the standalone bar in the Jurassic Park section of Islands of Adventure.

I turned on the radio, heard what was going on, and after the second tower fell I said fuck this. I started to close and bring my till to the main station and said I was going home. On my way back to costume, they announced over the intercoms they were closing.

[JohnBrown1917]

R.I.P Allende.

[Themius]

R.I.P Allende.

Hmm imagine how things could have been if the CIA didn't destroy Cybersyn and Chile got to experiment with organising a socialist economy with computers.

OT:

I was at school when it happened.Went home early, watched it there. Worried about war for a while, then worried about the people dying overseas (the people who died when America decided to carpet bomb people who didn't do 9/11). Went to school in Manhattan, planes flying overhead used to seriously trigger me when I was downtown.

[YUPPIE]

The sad part is nothing's changed since.

The Taliban and other islamic terrorist groups still exist, and moreover Saudi Arabia still exists.

[Themius]

The sad part is nothing's changed since.

The Taliban and other islamic terrorist groups still exist, and moreover Saudi Arabia still exists.

Well we weren't going after Saudi Arabia they were our friends... and we made the Taliban stronger... and wait what did the Taliban have to do with 9/11? Wasn't that literally another terror group that is in fact in opposition to the Taliban? You know... the al-Qaeda terror group...

[Forogil]

Well we weren't going after Saudi Arabia they were our friends... and we made the Taliban stronger... and wait what did the Taliban have to do with 9/11? Wasn't that literally another terror group that is in fact in opposition to the Taliban? You know... the al-Qaeda terror group...

You are deliberately spreading lies, the Taliban and al-Qaeda were allies at that time, joint military and - possibly even sealed by marriage as in the old days.

It's the Islamic State (which is sort of both a rogue state and terrorist organization) that is opposed to them; but it didn't exist back then.

Several Saudi Arabs were involved in 9/11, the official Saudi position is less clear - as there have also been terrorist attacks against Saudi Arabia - but their clerics are more closely aligned.

[TEHPALLYTANK]

Either at school or at home, I was only 7 at the time so I only heard about it after the fact. I've avoided watching any footage since I learned how my memory processes visual data.

I did have a nightmare after the Boston Marathon bombing; I made the mistake of watching news coverage showing the aftermath, waking up from a nightmare like that was awful.

[Themius]

You are deliberately spreading lies, the Taliban and al-Qaeda were allies at that time, joint military and - possibly even sealed by marriage as in the old days.

It's the Islamic State (which is sort of both a rogue state and terrorist organization) that is opposed to them; but it didn't exist back then.

Several Saudi Arabs were involved in 9/11, the official Saudi position is less clear - as there have also been terrorist attacks against Saudi Arabia - but their clerics are more closely aligned.

Allies at the time yet before 9/11 they offered to turn over Osama, then several times after 9/11.

Several Saudi Arabs? I think the word "most" fits better here since several isn't defined. We know it was fiften out of nineteen. As far as the official Saudi position. Wasn't it just recently that the FBI accidentally exposed the name of a Saudi Official who was working with the hijackers?

https://news.yahoo.com/in-court-fili...224555851.html

The FBI inadvertently revealed one of the U.S. government’s most sensitive secrets about the Sept. 11 terror attacks: the identity of a mysterious Saudi Embassy official in Washington who agents suspected had directed crucial support to two of the al-Qaida hijackers.

The disclosure came in a new declaration filed in federal court by a senior FBI official in response to a lawsuit brought by families of 9/11 victims that accuses the Saudi government of complicity in the terrorist attacks.

The declaration was filed last month but unsealed late last week. According to a spokesman for the 9/11 victims’ families, it represents a major breakthrough in the long-running case, providing for the first time an apparent confirmation that FBI agents investigating the attacks believed they had uncovered a link between the hijackers and the Saudi Embassy in Washington.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I for sure remember, however 20 years later, I feel differently about it now. Now all this is just theater to me and phony. 600.000 Americans have died and the same people today are bowing their heads in remembrance when they should be bowing it in shame.

They will be the same ones that go on not being Unified and putting other Americans at risk.

[Forogil]

Allies at the time yet before 9/11 they offered to turn over Osama, then several times after 9/11.

Another misleading statement, those offers were paper-thin and they didn't offer to turn over Osama bin Laden to the US; and they were quickly withdrawn.

It also shows that you know you lied before, since why would they be in any position to hand over the leader of a terrorist organization that they were opposed to that was walking free?

Several Saudi Arabs? I think the word "most" fits better here since several isn't defined.

Wrong, and you are deliberately misleading.

Most of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, but even though several Saudi Arabs were involved in the hijacking (including those 15 - and Osama bin Laden) most Saudi Arabs weren't involved in 9/11.

[draynay]

Like a lot of west coast folks I was asleep when things began. I think I only had an afternoon class that day so I slept in, I think I saw the collapse live but I don't remember.

[Forogil]

Oh, and for the subject matter: I was sleepy at work after flying from Logan airport, the main thing I remember from the flight was that it was quick and easy to get through security back then.

[YUPPIE]

Well we weren't going after Saudi Arabia they were our friends... and we made the Taliban stronger... and wait what did the Taliban have to do with 9/11? Wasn't that literally another terror group that is in fact in opposition to the Taliban? You know... the al-Qaeda terror group...

saudi arabia was never a US friend and it will never be. It's a horribly evil regime that we're neutral with for geopolitical reasons. The only reason we didn't kill the shit out of them for 9/11 was because there's a lot to lose in resources and also destroying SA would incite more islamic terrorism and anarchy.

They recently also tortured and dismembered a US citizen to death but, for the same reasons, we let them go

The middle east is so unsalvagable in any way it's really a question of what anything can be done about it. 20 years later and nothing's changed

[Omega10]

saudi arabia was never a US friend and it will never be. It's a horribly evil regime that we're neutral with for geopolitical reasons. The only reason we didn't kill the shit out of them for 9/11 was because there's a lot to lose in resources and also destroying SA would incite more islamic terrorism and anarchy.

They recently also tortured and dismembered a US citizen to death but, for the same reasons, we let them go

The middle east is so unsalvagable in any way it's really a question of what anything can be done about it. 20 years later and nothing's changed

I remember on 9/11 being in a forum where the basic American position was that Americans wanted to turn the whole Middle East to glass. I was able to talk people down from the idea of nuking the entire Middle East.

On the other hand, the US used 9/11 as an excuse to bomb quite a few of the countries there, litter Iraq with nuclear tipped warheads - uranium tipped something or other because of their superior penetration abilities (against Iraqi Tanks? underground bunkers?), and I remember Colin Powell basically lie his ass off at an international forum (the UN?) to justify the US attacking the Middle East.

So yeah - after 20 years of US bombs and troops shooting things up, yeah the Middle East is not in a good place. We spent over $3 trillion dollars - probably closer to 6 - and what we achieved is that we made the whole Middle East a miserable place to live. But hey at least we saved the US from Medicare for All.

[muto]

I was in 5th grade.

[Endus]

I was futzing around before heading in to university classes (I had a late morning start that day, maybe early afternoon); I was literally just waking up and having my morning caffeine, browsing (I think) Fark.com, a news aggregator, when notice of the first plane hit the front page there.

I turned on my TV and watched the second plane strike live.

Another misleading statement, those offers were paper-thin and they didn't offer to turn over Osama bin Laden to the US; and they were quickly withdrawn.

If you're gonna be blasting someone else for lying, know what you're talking about first, maybe?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tan.terrorism5
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-55e5ca34a70a/

There very clearly was an offer by the Taliban to turn him over. There were conditions, but the offer existed.

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saudi arabia was never a US friend and it will never be. It's a horribly evil regime that we're neutral with for geopolitical reasons.

The USA is not "neutral" with respect to Saudi Arabia. They're allies.

[caervek]

I remember being in college in the student union lounge and the SU president changed the SKY TV feed to news because he'd seen something on his computer about a plane accident in NYC. Everyone just stopped talking and stared at the footage of a burning tower, then a second plane flew into shot and it became obvious the first crash wasn't an accident, still gives me chills thinking about it.

[NED funded]

I wish 9/11 was the worst thing Bush did

[PhaelixWW]

The USA is not "neutral" with respect to Saudi Arabia. They're allies.

You're wasting your time, here. This poster thinks that the Taliban and China are "close allies", so clearly has no idea what the word actually means.