Would Warcraft benefit from a universe reset?

[kranur]

The only way to start fresh with decluttering and making some sense is to go for WoW2.
Don't think there's anything they can to do it now to not be a clusterfuck.

[Northem]

YES GOD YES. A lore reset is the only hope.

That would be the only thing that could redeem the Warcraft Universe from the shameful, pitiful and obscene state its lore is in.

I dream of the day when WoW dies at once and disappears, and then a "reset" undoes and eliminates all the garbage created in the last decades in pursuit of a decent and meaningful Warcraft Universe, as it was before WoW.

That's when a big-budget television series will continue the legacy of the lore of Warcraft in a proper way, with quality writers and without the stupid restrictions of a video game.

[Cæli]

for a wow 2 yes I can see that being a reality

[kendro1200]

Except the problem really isn't with the retcons or inconsistencies. The problem is the writers and the narrative implementation. Same problem with why item, stat and level squishes are pointless and should not have been pursued. The problem there is that the system developers can't think of any carrot to encourage people to continue playing other than large numbers. So they constantly reset all progress to have everyone rewalk the same path. Like it's not even a treadmill anymore, the treadmill is broken. Instead we're walking around the same literal block expansion after expansion now. Any kind of reset shouldn't be tolerated until Blizzard shows the capability to do good game design again.

[Ealyssa]

You mean like they are doing now? /s

Don't like it, don't play it...

It's not like a timeskip would magically change the team at blizzard. You would still have the same writers with the same quality of stories. But a X years gap without any reason for it.

[huth]

They've ran out of ideas and started making up their own things.

Wat.

Did they run out of ideas or did they not run out of ideas? Make up your mind.

[TheFirstOnes]

Universe is infinite and it's expanding itself. Eventually time will pass and new stars and planets will be born. There is no need to reset anything, it does the job for itself. But if you would like to turn back time before Sargeras done his little stunt then I'm all in.

Just how the First Ones made it.

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YES GOD YES. A lore reset is the only hope.

That would be the only thing that could redeem the Warcraft Universe from the shameful, pitiful and obscene state its lore is in.

I dream of the day when WoW dies at once and disappears, and then a "reset" undoes and eliminates all the garbage created in the last decades in pursuit of a decent and meaningful Warcraft Universe, as it was before WoW.

That's when a big-budget television series will continue the legacy of the lore of Warcraft in a proper way, with quality writers and without the stupid restrictions of a video game.

I think I met a real life doomsayer. Holy shit, I thought you people were myth! D:

[deenman]

They never had a descent writer since vanilla. And they still don't know how to implement it ingame. What good would it do ?

what writing and storytelling was in vanila?some of the quests were interesting,but the overall narative was basicaly non existant almost,and what of it there was,it was presented in a very awkward manner

[TheFirstOnes]

Nope. Nu-Blizzard is erasing/retconing enough of Old-Blizzard work as it is, all the while relying on the popularity this work got them.

Rewriting all warcraft in the way they write shits now... I mean, that's basically what Chronicles is, on one hand. And we all know how badly that would go, on the other hand.

"THEY ARE ERASING/RETCONNING ALL OF OLD BLIZZARD'S STUFF"

Funny how all of the major old WoW Villains are either Defeated (Or just straight up killed), or are in AFK mode for another expac (And will likely just be side characters/mid tier dungeon, quest, and raid bosses anyway).

Nothing is erased. We're just getting newer shit cause mostly all the old Lore's been dealt with already.

[SinR]

Danuser's old Twitter bio used to read "I write the stories you like. Someone else wrote the other ones". Clearly he's got a thing against established lore. At this point he just needs to scrap it all entirely and execute his own visions without any restrictions holding him back.

FUCK NO. We had enough of his Gary Stu self insert bullshit back in BFA.

In his world, Sylvanas is Warchief of the World and Nathanos is her personal plaything.

[TheFirstOnes]

FUCK NO. We had enough of his Gary Stu self insert bullshit back in BFA.

In his world, Sylvanas is Warchief of the World and Nathanos is her personal plaything.

Didn't she get humiliated at the end of BFA tho?

[Mestalis]

They're about to. We're going to come back from Shadowlands in 10.0 only to find that due to time flowing differently it's now years/decades later on Azeroth.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

First I think WoW should get a dev team reset.

This.

There is no hope for Warcraft under the current creative team. In fact, I don't think there is hope for Warcraft without Metzen at the helm, period.

Also, some things aren't meant to go on for forever. Some things aren't meant to have a billion reboot storylines like a DC or Marvel comic. Sometimes, something just needs to freaking end, like a manga or an anime or a JRPG storyline. "I've told the story! And now it's time to go tell a new one." WoW's story has a pretty natural (and satisfying) ending with MoP 5.4, and had WoW not been forced to keep going on for financial reasons I'm pretty sure it would have ended there, just like how SC2 ended with LotV and there is nothing after that.

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There is no hope for any new good Warcraft story to come out. Cherish the good WoW story that Metzen created and move on with your life. Find new stories to enjoy and become fans of.

[Velerios]

Rather than a reset, we need a timeskip to keep coming up with something fresh, period.

[Falkeshall]

For me, a reset and slate-wiping meaning nothing we (or my character) has done actually happened or mattered would be such a gut punch I’d just walk away from the franchise entirely.

[DatToffer]

"THEY ARE ERASING/RETCONNING ALL OF OLD BLIZZARD'S STUFF"

Funny how all of the major old WoW Villains are either Defeated (Or just straight up killed), or are in AFK mode for another expac (And will likely just be side characters/mid tier dungeon, quest, and raid bosses anyway).

Nothing is erased. We're just getting newer shit cause mostly all the old Lore's been dealt with already.

I was talking more about the rewrite of the First, Second and Third Wars in Chronicles than the actual game content, but you seem to be in the mood for high horse riding so go on.

[Koward]

If they ever did Warcraft 4, then I think ignoring WoW's canon would be better, as its choices are very MMO oriented and not suited for an RTS.

However for WoW, I don't feel it's necessary to do any reset.

[Wangming]

Don't like it, don't play it...

It's not like a timeskip would magically change the team at blizzard. You would still have the same writers with the same quality of stories. But a X years gap without any reason for it.

Way to dodge the question. I ask again: Are they telling you all the story ingame now?

[Tarba]

what writing and storytelling was in vanila?some of the quests were interesting,but the overall narative was basicaly non existant almost,and what of it there was,it was presented in a very awkward manner

...Yes... that's what I meant by "They never had a descent writer since vanilla. And they still don't know how to implement it ingame."

[Vasti]

Not a time reset, but a universe reset.
Like the final expansion, final raid , final patch etc should end on a cliffhanger.

Maybe, some First Ones' Universal re-origination machination is triggered.
But before it is triggered it was corrupted by the Void/Light/Death/Life/Arcane/Fel Lords/Demons, generally speaking the super bad guys corrupted it and in the final raid we attempt to purify it so that not all is lost..... we manage to purify it but we won't know if it works until it happens....then it triggers, big white flash and that's it....

THE END...
of WOW


And the beginning of WoW 2/ Warcraft 4 several aeons after WoW where we can have an entirely different universe, new planets, new magic laws, new enemies, new characters, new problems, new hierarchy (so maybe no more first ones/titans, but something else, or maybe no hierarchy)

The device might have conserved some characters from WoW in new forms (maybe Jaina/Sylvanas/Anduin/Alexstraza/Medivh/Thrall/Varian/Baine/Vol'Jin/Zappy-boi/Saurfang remains, but cursed as a powerless ephemeral being, unable to interact with physical objects, only serving as a wise guide/prophet for the new players and ofc all those aeons spent alone have taken a toll on their sanity)
Maybe Elune is now a mortal that has to cope with what her 'subjects' were going through and perhaps an essence of Sargeras remains from before he went mad and now serves as a good guy or soemthing

That way we can have cool references to the cool stuff that happened in WoW while forgetting the crap that happened and with a clean slate so we won't have stupid infinite higher levels of enemies like Lich King < Old Gods < Sargeras < Zovaal < First Ones < Last Zeroes < Infinite Undiscovery