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    Isn't it funny how all the criticism is leveled at women when they "don't much the appearance". I mean, you've got 6'3 Hugh Jackman playing 5'3 Wolverine and it's the best casting ever. But this girl gets shit on because her cup size is too small and she's "ethnic looking".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Who wrote this article smh. John-Kamen was great in Killjoys, all 5 seasons of it, who cares about one movie.
    Well, one was a kind of underground Sci-fi series that a lot of people have never seen. the other was a Major Film from the biggest film franchise running right now. It doesn't discount her role in Killjoys...it's just saying where more people will know her from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaymer77 View Post
    I think the real elephant in the room is actually not her being small (in the chest or height or even muscle size) but the fact she's not a redhead and that she's "ethnic" looking. Red Sonja was a redhead and had fairly white skin. Yes she also was pretty muscular for a woman (but honestly in comic books aren't most women more on the muscular side than "petite" or "thin") and yes she has much larger breasts but again doesn't most women in comics have that. When she was first introduced she didn't wear the chainmail bikini but was more conservatively dressed but that did change fairly quickly to the chainmail bikini she's known for. I think a lot of the criticism will come from not just her breast size but the other two things I said here too. I mean seriously RED is in her name....
    It's a bit ridiculous because, in Marvel canon, she's Hyrkanian. Hyrkania is, canonically, part of modern Iran.

    https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Red_Sonja_(Earth-616)

    At best, she's Turkish or Tartar or a Hun, maybe Mongol, or some mix thereof. It's not like she's Irish or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    Give here the famous bikini armor
    You know that's not happening, right? I'd be really surprised if it was.

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    The person who initially derailed the topic has been infracted. The thread has already been warned once, further attempts to derail this topic will result in more infractions being handed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Criticism of the choice of actor/actress based upon the reasons why the character being portrayed was popular to begin with should be fair game.
    Red Sonja became the inspired meme for "chicks in chainmail." Were Christina Hendricks younger and toned she'd fit the role.
    Christina Hendricks isn't even a natural redhead...

    It's just another example of how hard it is for women to match the unrealistic expectations that these types of comic book roles come with. It's tough on the men as well, but at least most of them get padded costumes to help get them that much closer to those crazy bodybuilder proportions. Most of them don't get shit on for their bodies when they're cast since I guess it's just assumed they're gonna roid up (though every now and then there's a Pattinson that throws the fanboys into a tizzy). For women they apparently gotta have the boobs and the musculature first and foremost, and maybe the acting chops as an distant afterthought.

    There are no well known, established actresses that have the physical attributes to match Red Sonja, and while I'm sure the casting director can find a woman who does match the look the odds that she'll have the acting ability to carry a big ticket comic book movie (because they all are now) is slim to none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamas102 View Post
    Christina Hendricks isn't even a natural redhead...

    It's just another example of how hard it is for women to match the unrealistic expectations that these types of comic book roles come with. It's tough on the men as well, but at least most of them get padded costumes to help get them that much closer to those crazy bodybuilder proportions. Most of them don't get shit on for their bodies when they're cast since I guess it's just assumed they're gonna roid up (though every now and then there's a Pattinson that throws the fanboys into a tizzy). For women they apparently gotta have the boobs and the musculature first and foremost, and maybe the acting chops as an distant afterthought.

    There are no well known, established actresses that have the physical attributes to match Red Sonja, and while I'm sure the casting director can find a woman who does match the look the odds that she'll have the acting ability to carry a big ticket comic book movie (because they all are now) is slim to none.
    I dunno, I think Hollywood in general tends to underdeliver on athleticism in female action roles for the most part. There are some really great exceptions (Jurnee Smollett is, to me a rising female action star, and Cynthia Erivo could definitely do more in action as she wants to), but in general, speaking as a retired athlete, and maybe someone who's a bit hypercritical of the women in that particular way, a lot of fight scenes look like they're choreographed and performed like they're a Paula Abdul video or something.

    From what I've seen of Hannah John-Kamen, she seemed to do a decent job in Antman and the Wasp, from what I remember, though I'm sure much of that is stuntwomen. I do think she's potentially miscast anyway, not because of her look, but from her personality. She seems to play more dour, muted personalities so far, and from what little I know, Red Sonja's supposed to be more extroverted. Of course, she could play things completely different from what she's played in the past and that could be totally fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    You know that's not happening, right? I'd be really surprised if it was.
    My first thought "can't wait to see the hoops they jump through to not have any bikin armor."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Isn't it funny how all the criticism is leveled at women when they "don't much the appearance". I mean, you've got 6'3 Hugh Jackman playing 5'3 Wolverine and it's the best casting ever.
    Wolverine was more about attitude, temperament, and claws. Having a decent first couple of movies to show those off won me over. Had they shown "Origins" I'm reasonably certain we'd all have a derisive laugh. (Especially at what they did to Wade Wilson)

    If they toss out everything about the character that made it popular then why even call the movie "Red Sonja?" Are they trying to make a statement?

    I'll be fair and wait and see since it's too early to tell anyway but the script writer isn't moving my expectations from the earlier attempt at a Red Sonja movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    .... n biting off heads of vultures
    Which actually is straight from the comics. Where he was nailed to a cross. And then after being chopped down and relieved of one nail in his hand, he grabbed the pliers and pulled out the other 3 nails himself.

    I have zero issues with the casting - it is how the film is done that matters. Jason Momoa IMHO looked the part in the remake...but see how that one flopped. And I never actually liked Arnold (or the story) that much in the original films (as somebody who grew up with the comics). Yeah..he had the muscles. But that is where it stopped for me ^^

    Quote Originally Posted by Polyxo View Post

    From what I've seen of Hannah John-Kamen, she seemed to do a decent job in Antman and the Wasp, from what I remember, though I'm sure much of that is stuntwomen.
    To be fair...and while Hugh Jackman really got buffed for Wolverine, he is even played by a stuntman in car chases and with the current technology, they could even film close ups of that stuntman in the car and then just do digital head replacements.

    With the technology these days, you never know anymore what you watch.
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    Is she going to dye her hair red for the movie? Or is she going to wear a wig?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaymer77 View Post
    I think the real elephant in the room is actually not her being small (in the chest or height or even muscle size) but the fact she's not a redhead and that she's "ethnic" looking. Red Sonja was a redhead and had fairly white skin. Yes she also was pretty muscular for a woman (but honestly in comic books aren't most women more on the muscular side than "petite" or "thin") and yes she has much larger breasts but again doesn't most women in comics have that. When she was first introduced she didn't wear the chainmail bikini but was more conservatively dressed but that did change fairly quickly to the chainmail bikini she's known for. I think a lot of the criticism will come from not just her breast size but the other two things I said here too. I mean seriously RED is in her name....
    Redhead is a haircolor, not a ethnicity. They don't have to cast someone who's a original redhead. Hair can be colored. Like... what?
    She's half Norwegian and half Nigerian, so it's not strange that she looks "ethnic", whatever that's supposed to mean, I guess.

    Also the outfits Red Sonja wears are fucking stupid and should be changed anyway. Nobody gives a shit about the basement weebs that'll cry about it and give it a low score on Rottentomatoes because "bewbs and bikini!".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Is she going to dye her hair red for the movie? Or is she going to wear a wig?
    Since long hair is a liability on movie sets of action movies, and most of the long hair/long beards you see are fake, it's pretty safe to say she'll wear a wig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nynax View Post
    My first thought "can't wait to see the hoops they jump through to not have any bikin armor."
    They don't need to jump through anything. They can just change it and people will be like "YEAH" while they proceed to not watch it anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asrialol View Post
    Also the outfits Red Sonja wears are fucking stupid and should be changed anyway. Nobody gives a shit about the basement weebs that'll cry about it and give it a low score on Rottentomatoes because "bewbs and bikini!".
    Case in point.

  14. #54
    If any thread was a perfect example of why certain people (typically the same sort of people) should never be listened to, nor catered to, this is the shitshow to present. There is something really just rotten with most of you, and fandoms in general, not that any of you are specifically a part of some Red Sonja fandom, ofc. The desire to just bitch and moan about anything is so crushingly strong, even based on the tiniest thing, it only took the first reply to show it. Sadly, it happens in practically every single thread of this kind. Majority of you won't even watch the movie outside of clips on YouTube. Some of you will watch it just so you can bitch a bit harder. Truly a pathetic way to be. The internet was a mistake lol


    OT: She looks perfectly fine for the role, and I'm sure someone can go out and spend a small sum of money on a wig. Who knew hair colour could be changed, right? She's also a pretty decent actress, so I expect she'll do well, at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    You know that's not happening, right? I'd be really surprised if it was.
    Obviously, that's one of the reason why I don't have any hopes for this movie.

    Red Sonja just can't be turned into a PC PG-13 story.
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    I love how the most important part of casting the role for some of you guys is the chick's boobs lmao.

    Stay classy

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    I love how the most important part of casting the role for some of you guys is the chick's boobs lmao.

    Stay classy
    How to tell us that, "your collection of vinyl dolls exceeds the number of women you have actually dated". But with fewer steps! /joke


    The fandom of Red Sonja has grown, and become much more diverse than horny teen boys from the 1970's. Hoping the film gets that and gives us a Sonja that has a lot of depth and fun.

    Reading back some of the old Conan production notes. Despite being a "pulpy" film backed by Dino De Laurentius. The director John Milius took the film very seriously. Using a lot of coaching to get Arnold to elevate his acting. Bringing along a few serious actors like James Earl Jones and Max von Sydow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaymer77 View Post
    I think the real elephant in the room is actually not her being small (in the chest or height or even muscle size) but the fact she's not a redhead and that she's "ethnic" looking. Red Sonja was a redhead and had fairly white skin. Yes she also was pretty muscular for a woman (but honestly in comic books aren't most women more on the muscular side than "petite" or "thin") and yes she has much larger breasts but again doesn't most women in comics have that. When she was first introduced she didn't wear the chainmail bikini but was more conservatively dressed but that did change fairly quickly to the chainmail bikini she's known for. I think a lot of the criticism will come from not just her breast size but the other two things I said here too. I mean seriously RED is in her name....
    I meant small in height, I loved her in Killjoys and was a treat to see her in ant man, so I like the actress, her ethnicity does not bother me either, I liked momoa as conan truth be told, being a redhead is as simple as a shitty wig which I hope they do not do, but the stature is not there to my eyes, not that I am a Red Sonja expert or to be honest even much of a fan, she just does not seem 'big' enough which is not to slight her, the large chick in game of thrones physiclaly matches the role, even if just physically.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorshen View Post
    She's 1.7m+, and she did her own stunts in Ant-Man & the Wasp, she'll be fine. They're definitely going to make her work out and add practical effects to make her look 'bigger'.
    I hope so, as said above I like the actress and have no problems with anything about her besides the 'bulk', not that I want a she-hulk, just a observation that the role should be for an amazoness type so to speak.

    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    There is something really just rotten with most of you... The desire to just bitch and moan about anything is so crushingly strong, even based on the tiniest thing,... Truly a pathetic way to be. The internet was a mistake lol...
    Ironic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrowseer View Post

    I hope so, as said above I like the actress and have no problems with anything about her besides the 'bulk', not that I want a she-hulk, just a observation that the role should be for an amazoness type so to speak.
    The same complaints were made about Gal Gadot playing Wonder Woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    The fandom of Red Sonja has grown, and become much more diverse than horny teen boys from the 1970's. Hoping the film gets that and gives us a Sonja that has a lot of depth and fun.
    Is that why the covers of her comics that were released even just last month look like this?





    Inb4 my post gets infracted because these images are too skimpy even though the thread is about her.

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