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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by VinceVega View Post
    1. Blizzard is a Buisness. Not UNICEF. If they think loosing players in the west will bring them more in China why, from buisness standpoint, should they not do it?

    2. Why bring US into it? Cancel culture is a new term but certainly not a new phenomenon or even invented in the US.

    Also, did Blizz even do anything in this case? Sounds like the team managers intervened
    Just because a move is the correct thing to do in terms of profit, does not mean that the public has to agree with it.
    Yes, privatization of water is profitable business move, but yet literally everyone was against it.

  2. #22
    Blizzard bowing to this and banning him would make basically anyone outside of China liable to be banned for criticizing them, including people on these boards.

    The dude plays for a South Korean team and is South Korean lol, he lives in the US.

    Essentially, the dude isn't getting banned which means these teams are just pouting about nothing to suck their government's dick.

  3. #23
    They'll forfeit their games like every other team that refuses to play in a sports league.

    Since when is third party dickwaving newsworthy?

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Nite92 View Post
    Just because a move is the correct thing to do in terms of profit, does not mean that the public has to agree with it.
    Yes, privatization of water is profitable business move, but yet literally everyone was against it.
    Did not speak about if it is the right thing to do or not.
    But still: People comparing it to the whole Blizchung debacle. Did Blizzard do ANYTHING here? Does not seem like it.

    Also water is public property or at least regulated by the state in most countries. Overwatch is not. It is a completly privatized game with no connection to anything you need to live or anything important. There is no reason to NOT have it completly privatized and they beeing allowed to do whatever they want with it and their league.

    And again: Nobody at blizzard did anything apparantly. The teams are seperate entities. Blizzard even gets only mentioned once at the end of the article referencing the whole Hearthstone stuff from 2019.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by VinceVega View Post
    Did not speak about if it is the right thing to do or not.
    But still: People comparing it to the whole Blizchung debacle. Did Blizzard do ANYTHING here? Does not seem like it.

    Also water is public property or at least regulated by the state in most countries. Overwatch is not. It is a completly privatized game with no connection to anything you need to live or anything important. There is no reason to NOT have it completly privatized and they beeing allowed to do whatever they want with it and their league.

    And again: Nobody at blizzard did anything apparantly. The teams are seperate entities. Blizzard even gets only mentioned once at the end of the article referencing the whole Hearthstone stuff from 2019.
    ..... Thanks for clarifying that water is different from a game. Nice job.

  6. #26
    It's funny. People here cheering Twitter/Facebook/YouTube for taking down things that they don't agree with, and then getting angry at China for doing the exact same. See where the logical end to all this censoring it?

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Nite92 View Post
    ..... Thanks for clarifying that water is different from a game. Nice job.
    You started the comparison genius.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by VinceVega View Post
    You started the comparison genius.
    Yes and you missed the point of it. It is not to compare water with games. The point is that a profitable business decision might be bad for the consumers. That is the point, and not the difference between water and fucking games.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by MatPandaZ View Post
    It's funny. People here cheering Twitter/Facebook/YouTube for taking down things that they don't agree with, and then getting angry at China for doing the exact same. See where the logical end to all this censoring it?
    You think companies taking down content that is nothing but lies designed to cause unrest and directly lead to an armed insurrection attempt in the US is equivalent to China pretending Taiwan is not a country and destroying Democracy in Hong Kong?

    Guess you still think Trump was cheated out of a second term right?
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    You think companies taking down content that is nothing but lies designed to cause unrest and directly lead to an armed insurrection attempt in the US is equivalent to China pretending Taiwan is not a country and destroying Democracy in Hong Kong?

    Guess you still think Trump was cheated out of a second term right?
    Taiwan is not a country though. Not even the US thinks it is. Not even Taiwan thinks it is. As far as they are concerned they are the legitimate government of China just in exile.

    I mean it would be better for all if they actually were able to be the ones actually on charge of China.

    Plus no business (or anyone) should tell people. Let alone a nation that's holding a population larger than North America and Europe combined and essentially tell them to prepare to die en mass for freedoms or no nice things for you.

  11. #31
    I really hope Blizzard follows through with the demand and bans the guy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xykotic View Post
    No, they didn't. Were you not taught history or did you simply forget?

    The European Witch Hunts is certainly a far more extreme version of this. Baseless accusations leading to angry mobs burning you alive.
    The Inquisition and all similar agencies that would hunt down, torture and kill those who spoke against the norm.
    In 1979, the Monty Python movie Life of Brian was banned or otherwise censured because it was perceived as offensive.

    Cancel Culture is mob justice, and mob justice has been a dark part of humanity for millennia.
    At least we aren't burning people in the street anymore.
    give it time, i sense that will come back into 'fashion' at some point in the near future.

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  13. #33
    he's 100% right, and blizzard will show what gutless cowards they are by siding with china, guaranteed. No matter what china does, blizzard loves their money more than they do any morals, right or wrong, or being a good company.

    Blizzard has already sold their soul to the chinese devil (not a racist statement, a slam at the CCP) and the CCP won't stop here. They actually passed a law in the last year that says any citizen of ANY country that badmouths them can be arrested and charged for badmouthing the CCP, and they've wormed their way into major american corporations and film industry too so that any mention of anything china does has to be glowing, and can't be negative or else

    this is embarrassing, and we americans should be the first to laugh at them, thumb our nose, and tell them to f right the hell off.... but they won't, they will cower like a bunch of beaten dogs to their master china

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatPandaZ View Post
    It's funny. People here cheering Twitter/Facebook/YouTube for taking down things that they don't agree with, and then getting angry at China for doing the exact same. See where the logical end to all this censoring it?
    yes, because US companies banning people who intentionally spread dangerous misinformation, hate, or downright DANGEROUS messaging intended to hurt people using private platforms that say "don't act bad or be banned".... is the same thing as a foreign government basically telling the entire world that they can't badmouth them or else.

    you are truly clueless, and your victim desperation complex is showing. get over it. act like a man, something ur former president never once did in his life

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Xykotic View Post
    No, they didn't. Were you not taught history or did you simply forget?

    The European Witch Hunts is certainly a far more extreme version of this. Baseless accusations leading to angry mobs burning you alive.
    The Inquisition and all similar agencies that would hunt down, torture and kill those who spoke against the norm.
    In 1979, the Monty Python movie Life of Brian was banned or otherwise censured because it was perceived as offensive.

    Cancel Culture is mob justice, and mob justice has been a dark part of humanity for millennia.
    Atleast we aren't burning people in the street anymore.
    "Cancel-culture" is not the same as witch hunts or the inquisition. And nothing at all to do with censorship. Only states can censor.
    Witch hunts/The Inquisition were violent by nature.

    "Cancel-culture" is the act when people band together/organize themselves in order to force primarily private companies to change behaviour by the threat of boycott and/or bad PR. It is non-violent by nature. Whether one find it tasteful is another question
    But it does have overlap with what Western states do. The best example of state "cancel-actions" are the plethora of sanctions that Western states use against those that are "bad".

    The "Blitzchung-incident" was a prime example of Western "cancel-culture".
    I am just pointing out the amusing fact that our "opponents" have learned from us and use our own weapons against us.

    Added:
    But I do agree that "cancel-culture" is a sub-set of mob-justice, but with non-violence as a basic distinguishing factor.
    Last edited by T-34; 2021-05-06 at 02:33 PM.

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by T-34 View Post
    "Cancel-culture" is not the same as witch hunts or the inquisition. And nothing at all to do with censorship. Only states can censor.
    Witch hunts/The Inquisition were violent by nature.

    "Cancel-culture" is the act when people band together/organize themselves in order to force primarily private companies to change behaviour by the threat of boycott and/or bad PR. It is non-violent by nature.

    I'd say cancel culture is a BILLION times worse than witch hunts or the inquisition because it is politically destabilizing the United States. The US has thousands of NUCLEAR WEAPONS. So by destabilizing the US, it risks a major political crackup where a large amount of nukes wind up in the hands of a reactionary. Cancel culture is the biggest threat to the human race that has ever existed.

    We can NOT be playing these stupid games like pushing for social justice anymore. That went out the window when we developed a slew of nukes. The game is now about political stability. Either we keep the system together or this planet ends in a nuclear fireball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MatPandaZ View Post
    It's funny. People here cheering Twitter/Facebook/YouTube for taking down things that they don't agree with, and then getting angry at China for doing the exact same. See where the logical end to all this censoring it?
    Nope, can you please explain how corporations are the same thing as an authoritarian government that is currently conducting genocide?
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  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Yes, and Blizzard should simply tell them to suck it and they can either play against the team or the can forfeit.

    It should be a very simple solution.
    Since its Overwatch I assume these Chinese teams payed a ton of money to play in the Overwatch league. Their own problem if they disqualify themselves, their not getting the money back.
    the right thing to do is sometimes easier said than done.. they risk getting all their products banned in china if they dont do as winnie the pooh demands.. which would simply be a dissaster for blizzard and their employees.

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by mojusk View Post
    the right thing to do is sometimes easier said than done.. they risk getting all their products banned in china if they dont do as winnie the pooh demands.. which would simply be a dissaster for blizzard and their employees.
    Just to add that China's GDP is expected to surpass US GDP just before or in 2030, so in 10 years.
    If we look at PPP then China's economy surpassed the US economy around 2015.

    Pwc has projected that China's economy will be twice the size of the US in 2050.

    Not only China, but also India and other Asian countries are projected to vastly outgrow Western economies, so any Western company that has an ambition to keep its position in 20 years time will be forced to adapt to this change.

  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by mojusk View Post
    the right thing to do is sometimes easier said than done.. they risk getting all their products banned in china if they dont do as winnie the pooh demands.. which would simply be a dissaster for blizzard and their employees.
    And giving in means China will keep doing this.

    Yes yes, the almight $$. Fuck it.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  20. #40
    Blizzard should ban all 4 Chinese teams instead.

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