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  1. #41
    Sure, but there is no pvp scaling and no resilence and abilities in the game like convoke that kill a full health target with good gear and proper versatilty in 0,7 seconds, and unlike arenas there is no way to prevent that, some strong def cds are still on the GCD.

    So talking about bad behaviour, botting or pvp noobs does not even matter in random bgs, we are basicly back to the old days, with the not so slight difference that ther was resilence and actual pvp gear, just people that got farmed usually did not use it.

  2. #42
    It's the same in any game that has PVP though, the average player is completely incompetent... Take LoL for example, playing ARAM you will have at least one person in the game team runs in into the enemy bush and dies before minion spawn and usually before the rest of the team catches up, then continues just going and trying to 1v5 because it worked soooo well for them the first 10 times. Or people that just see someone at low health and chase under the tower etc then die for absolutely no gain. Honestly someone having an average of 1.5 deaths per min in a 20 min game is impressive levels of bad. Then obviously it's not their fault but everyone else's.

    I cry when I see a Lux, Ashe, Morg etc end up with less damage than a Raka, or Nami, and a negative KDA, when if they just stayed safe instead of having to be in melee range all the time the could end up with 10+ KDA's rather easily. Like a few days ago, was playing Senna, and this Kass was raging hard that I was bad because I wasn't diving with him constantly (They had a Ahri, Mord, Graves and Cho that would just delete him immediately). He ended 15/21/18 with 35k damage. I ended 15/2/27 39k damage, but apparently I'm the bad player lol.

    It's the same thing in WoW... like 90% of players will fight in mid. I've seen half a team chasing a Bear Druid and healer around the mid of WSG, while the enemy who has no escort with the flag just walks right past them, in Strand when that was a thing, even after 5 years getting more than a few people to attack the siege vehicles was almost impossible. Or you get Mages/Hunters that run right into melee range before attacking or casting for some reason, and at that point it's like they lost the power of movement until they die. Or Hunters with their pet on passive for a whole game, the list goes on. Of course it's those players that rage the hardest and say that the team is bad.
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  3. #43
    OP talking about IQ and then makes such a low IQ thread lol. Have a nice weekend bro.

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    Whats the expectation then? People hold on to entering battlegrounds until they somehow grow into literal PVP Gods overnight?

    This game is turning 16 years old. People flow in and out of the game all the time - by the millions. Someone who starts now will some day enter your BG for the very first time in his life and have no clue on what others expect from him or her.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Motorman View Post
    won't get better as long as their lack of skill and bad mentality is heftily rewarded to keep them subbed.
    I mean IDK if after your comment you can talk about bad mentality, but talking about heftily rewarded? What? Are there some secret items in LFR/RBGs for players who perform poorly?

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Motorman View Post
    You know how to instantly make random BGs better? Stop giving any reward whatsoever for losing. Stop rewarding fail. Stop telling incompetent players that its ok to fail so miserably.

    As long as they reward fail lifers just to keep them hooked and subbed, this game will be the turd they let it become.

    As for your comment regarding what I can and can’t say perhaps you should ease up on the ad hominem attacks and focus on understanding the topic. Derailing it to get even in a forum is stupid and wasteful.
    Well, topic is focusing on insulting players. No one sane would be doing RBGs if they are playing if for the competition. Rated bgs are designed for that. I que up for random bg and I literally do what I want. There is always some special guy who is rage typing in chat but I don't give a crap but I am there to kick ass not to stand at the flag.

  7. #47
    You're assuming people give a fuck about winning
    I've noticed through playing a lot of random games some people just want to fight, winning is secondary
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  8. #48
    removing mercenary mode will improve the average IQ a lot.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    No, this isn't reality. Two even remotely capable players will demolish a geared player through control and healing. Let alone "most of" the other team.

    What you guys still are unable to comment on is that in the ur weird little scenarios, it has nothing to do with objectives if the actual bgs, and it's always just a straight up 1v1 or 1v2 with no interference or healers or cc or anything. It also somehow makes the assumption that the 220 geared player only runs into 185 players - like only one faction has 220 players in the bg.
    Man, stop being silly, a player with full 226 PvP ilvl in random bgs has an enormous impact on the outcome. I farm deepwind gorge wins for meta on my full duelist geared resto shaman 9/10 games there is literally no one on enemy team who could possibly kill me. Often I will just stand at flag point, tanking 3-4 people forever without fear of dying...

    Of course nobody assumes you only run into shit geared players but my observation is that it's VERY rare to actually run into someone with similar gear. I literally kill people with shit gear (under 30k hp) with two lava bursts... As a healer..

    Gear has a huge fucking impact on random bgs.

  10. #50
    Man, all those high iq multi gladiators in the thread...I can't handle all that wisdom and skill.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Easyclassictopkeklel View Post
    Man, all those high iq multi gladiators in the thread...I can't handle all that wisdom and skill.
    Are you trying to say the claims of "I stand in the middle of the bg and tank the entire enemy team and I'm completely invincible and they don't stand a chance of killing me" are just ever so slightly delusional?
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    In no way are you entitled to the 'complete' game when you buy it, because DLC/cosmetics and so on are there for companies to make more money
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    Others, including myself, are saying that they only exist because Blizzard needed to create things so they could monetize it.

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Are you trying to say the claims of "I stand in the middle of the bg and tank the entire enemy team and I'm completely invincible and they don't stand a chance of killing me" are just ever so slightly delusional?
    He is probably hinting at people who think 20 ilvl isn't a big deal as long as you have tactics...

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by melzas View Post
    He is probably hinting at people who think 20 ilvl isn't a big deal as long as you have tactics...
    The good news about that is, if you think 20ilvls is a dramatic difference, and you are 200ilvl, just stick close to another 200ilvl player and when you see the 220, it's GG, because it's 400 vs 220, and like I said, if 20 ilvls is a game breaking difference, 180 ilvls is insta gibb
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    In no way are you entitled to the 'complete' game when you buy it, because DLC/cosmetics and so on are there for companies to make more money
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Others, including myself, are saying that they only exist because Blizzard needed to create things so they could monetize it.

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    The good news about that is, if you think 20ilvls is a dramatic difference, and you are 200ilvl, just stick close to another 200ilvl player and when you see the 220, it's GG, because it's 400 vs 220, and like I said, if 20 ilvls is a game breaking difference, 180 ilvls is insta gibb
    Wow thanks for showing how clueless you are about PvP. Do you even have one fully geared PvP character? Or are you one of those 200ilvl cannon fodder guys in random bgs that think they can make an impact because of great tactical thinking?

  15. #55
    Yeah as everyone has already said there is absolutely no reason to rage during a random BG, all it matters is gear, there is no IQ involved.

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by ek0zu View Post
    Yeah as everyone has already said there is absolutely no reason to rage during a random BG, all it matters is gear, there is no IQ involved.
    Ofc, there is IQ and xp involved, but gear matters now, you can't hope to touch one with 40+ ilvl difference, its not possible, period.

    And that is just the reality late into the season using an alt.

    I think thats kinda ok for bgs and skirmishes, but has no place in rated arena. It does not make much sense there for high ilvl dominating the games no matter what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorman View Post
    You know how to instantly make random BGs better? Stop giving any reward whatsoever for losing. Stop rewarding fail. Stop telling incompetent players that its ok to fail so miserably.
    So when you lose arathi basin by 5 points, it’s ”incompetent players failing”?
    I have a better solution: Make PvP about skill, not gear. Every warrior has 35k hp exact. No more, no less even if the other has 100 ilvl more.
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    Have you read the planned frost mage "nerfs" ?!? It's like nerfing a hangman's rope by coloring it blue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorman View Post
    There is no perfect system. But patting the backs of players with guaranteed 200-300 honor for LOSING removes the incentive to win. If someone wants to zerg they can go to arena and zerg. But when someone goes to a BG with another 9 to 39 players they should at the very least adhere to the map goals and try to win.
    You are right, there is no perfect system, but that doesnt take away it’s flaws either.
    But let’s look at the current problem we have: players who don’t play for objectives and/or are uncapable of doing so due to any reason really varying from complete lack of interest, knowledge, skill and even physiology(you know that blind guy who raided?)
    we have a mix of these players along with players who do play objectives, and wish to play them with minimal social interaction, like say strat while waiting for the start, call inc and efc position and that’s it, after that it’s only common sense and making the best out of a bad or good situation.

    If you remove all rewards(which imo are not good) from losing, which group of players just stopped playing random bg’s?

    I quit doing random bg’s(mostly due to gear=skill), but I would quit again if this would happen.
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    Have you read the planned frost mage "nerfs" ?!? It's like nerfing a hangman's rope by coloring it blue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popikaify View Post
    How fucking dumb an average wow player is,their IQ is literally capping 50.I dont even mind losing,stupidity is pissing me off.
    Big true! I got afk voted out of Ashran today when I defended solar sphere. Random BG players are completely clueless.

  20. #60
    I understand your frustration. Players seem to be less and less assimilated into pvp. In the 1st half of BFA I'd enter a BG and there would 2-3 players with a higher honor lvl than myself. That is the no loner the case and my honor lvl isn't crazy high, I'm around 415. What you're talking about is not stupidity, its simply inexperience. In a situational way, sure common sense does apply here and there, but usually, it doesn't. Then again, some players refuse to bother learning anything and they are arrogant to boot.

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