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  1. #421
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    At least I can respect Preach to have an opinion on the game, regardless of whether or not I agree with a lot of the shit he puts out. It's not even the fact that he engages with the game in a vast amount of ways either. You don't need CE to have an opinion IMO, but you should be playing the game to some capacity.

    I do think that if you're going to be criticizing major systems and aspects of the game, you should have some knowledge on it. Bellular is the complete opposite of this spectrum and most people who frequent trade chat would probably have a better handle of how the game plays than he does. He's just a glorified clickbait youtuber who hypes when it's convenient and dooms when it's convenient. It's apparent he barely plays the game and basically is out there to sell fucking retarded buttons and shit. What has he actually made? I made games when I was 16 using RPGMaker 2000? Am I game developer too?

    As far as streamers go? A lot of them do the same thing Bellular does. Doom when it's good to doom and hype shit up when something new is coming out. Half of them barely play the game, and people that take chat polls or the same idiots spamming "true", etc as an accurate poll of how the community truly feels is fucking retarded, I'm sorry.

    As far as the thread goes, the likelihood of someone in Bracks position reaching out to some random is pretty unlikely and your email is something that I would expect a fucking Karen to write to management about being forced to wear a mask into a grocery store.

  2. #422
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinela View Post
    "Right click" - "Open image in new tab"
    Yeah except, that doesn't work.

    *Opens image in new tab, proceeds to CTRL-+.* Entire webpage decides to go blank...

    COOL!

    Edit - You have to real fast right-click and "open image in new tab, as quickly as possible, and then zoom-in. lol

    No one getting money from Blizzard-Activision, is going to EVER be caught dead Or alive, saying anything "bad" about the game, or it's people... EVER. Literally, if you were to tell them, they HAVE to tell the truth or the world will explode, they would STILL say the same exact things they do now. There's no point to talk to "Yes-Men". There's no point to talk to a Politician about Corruption.
    I would wager to say it's much worse for you to expect them to say any different.
    You don't know how this works? Nothing "bad" will ever be looked at as "real".
    Just look at the responses you're getting from even just NO-BODY Players. The fact that nothing could ever be "wrong" in their minds with the game, should be a red-flag to you. They're not going to agree with you, NO MATTER WHAT.. Even if you're "right".
    It's a very disgusting mentality, but this is what they want. So let them sit in it and suffer.
    Last edited by Violent; 2021-05-10 at 06:30 PM.

  3. #423
    OP, you have sent an email to Blizzard management every single day since the Preach interview?

    No fucking wonder Blizz stopped communicating with the community. Because of people like you.

    If you actually care about the game, do you even realize how counterproductive (not to mention childish) this is?

  4. #424
    Quote Originally Posted by Mightytasty View Post
    OP, you have sent an email to Blizzard management every single day since the Preach interview?

    No fucking wonder Blizz stopped communicating with the community. Because of people like you.

    If you actually care about the game, do you even realize how counterproductive (not to mention childish) this is?
    not since the interview. i started this week and surprisingly, it only took 3 days.

  5. #425
    Quote Originally Posted by aceperson View Post
    So for those who didn't see my email campaign thread before it was locked, I tried to start an email campaign by giving the emails of activision and blizzard higher-ups. What I wasn't expecting was to actually get an answer. I'm not particularly impressed by Brack's answers. But I thought I would share our conversation and see what the general populace thinks.
    Honestly, like many others, I am surprised he actually responded and am a bit skeptical. And I will break it down for you.

    First and foremost, laying the blame solely on Ion is a pathetic cliché that has been happening for years. The irony is people have done it since Ghostcrawler left the company in late 2013 and Ion picked up his mantle as "the face" of WoW. Problem was both men got absolutely crapped on. Yet no one seemed to remember Tom Chilton, aka Kalgon, who held the title of Game Director for WoW. So if Ion, as current Game Director, is the one to blame now, why was Chilton immune when he held the position? And the criticisms were not any different, especially for WoD. And the vitriol that Ghostcrawler got was enough to concern Blizzard that they offered to provide security to him and his family.

    As for the comments about how Preach, Bellular, and Asmongold are financially rewarded by posting negative content is 100% true. Unless you have been buried in the sand for the last few months, you would know that there has been a lot of talk about how social media algorithms have been boosting negative content. Even if people access it just to see what a train wreck it is, each view feeds the algorithm and shows it to more people. For those guys, more views = more ads/etc = more $. Hell, I am watching a Bellular video now that is negative in tone and people are paying him to get their comments put on the screen.

    And as for Bellular specifically, he is a dev, yes. He is NOT developer of an MMO. He as a game or two in development. Nothing released. So acting like he is an expert on game design is just silly. None of these content creators are. Nor do they have a monopoly on the "community", nor do they speak for the "community". And WoW is not a community-dictated game. That's how you get things like the Star Wars Galaxies NGE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceperson View Post
    so instead of one interview every 3 or so months, we get one every 4 or so months. big whoop.
    No, you don't understand. It won't be that "we get one every 4 or so months", which we have never really gotten, it's that certain inspirations who you cite may not get interviews at all in the future. This sort of behavior will be seen as toxic, and frankly emailing a company executive in a self admitted email campaign in order to have him remove someone from their position at the company is very much that, and will at the very least likely be a stigma permanently attached to the inspirations for your harassment campaign and will make it even harder to provide feedback to the developers.
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  7. #427
    Quote Originally Posted by Magical Mudcrab View Post
    No, you don't understand. It won't be that "we get one every 4 or so months", which we have never really gotten, it's that certain inspirations who you cite may not get interviews at all in the future. This sort of behavior will be seen as toxic, and frankly emailing a company executive in a self admitted email campaign in order to have him remove someone from their position at the company is very much that, and will at the very least likely be a stigma permanently attached to the inspirations for your harassment campaign and will make it even harder to provide feedback to the developers.
    i get that concern. and normally i wouldn't do something like this. as much as i disagreed with ion and his managers throughout bfa and legion, i overall still had fun. they didn't listen, but they could at least provide a good experience still. this expansion is not fun in the slightest and has proven the lack of skill ion and his team have. i get it's cliche to single out ion but the reason i do is because ion will assign the managers of each sub-team. thus, my lack of faith extends to them. the real reason for wanting ion demoted is so someone new can possibly get new management guidelines and policies setup to improve communication and the game. we're not going to get that with ion and his team.

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    we get warnings in the GoT thread about asking if its a black targaryen, but this thread is 23 pages long
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    The way critics of Ion describe him make it sound like he's just a puppetmaster and the leads under him and the people under those leads have no free will.

    You realize that he's not the only advocate for the systems of the game? They may not even be his idea. To think replacing Ion is going to be like some massive regime change is unbelievably naive.

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    btw here is ace's actual youtube, idk why he made a new one JUST to post these videos, seems fishy.
    https://www.youtube.com/user/ninjaman0003
    could just delete the channel so it cant be traced and claim something like "blizz made me take them down!" or something. especially since the email isnt even the right email.
    honestly ive seen people try worse.

    and yeah, icyveins, etc, fair few content creators are starting to pick this apart, as its pretty easy to actually spoof emails.


    cause here is whats obvious.

    Your locked thread where you asked people to spam the devs said

    "j.allen.brack@blizzard.com"

    But then these pictures you have, have the email
    "JBrack@blizzard.com"
    Now simply hey, he saw the email on one account, sent you an email on the other.
    But that email he sent is a response email.

    Meaning you were emailing JBrack@blizzard.com the whole time

    So why would you email JBrack@blizzard.com
    but tell people you were emailing j.allen.brack@blizzard.com
    ???
    Last edited by FelPlague; 2021-05-10 at 07:03 PM.

  11. #431
    Quote Originally Posted by kakebuts View Post
    The way critics of Ion describe him make it sound like he's just a puppetmaster and the leads under him and the people under those leads have no free will.

    You realize that he's not the only advocate for the systems of the game? They may not even be his idea. To think replacing Ion is going to be like some massive regime change is unbelievably naive.
    i wouldn't expect a massive change even if it did happen. what i hope would happen would be a change in team practices. possibly more communication, more details on the desired outcome for features, listening to feedback and improving based on feedback given. none of that is happening now.

  12. #432
    Quote Originally Posted by aceperson View Post
    I think i made the eml file but if mmochamp has an attach file feature, i can't find it.
    Use Google Drive, WeTransfer, etc. to share the file. If you have any real interest in proving its authentic then I'd put some more effort here like Google the search term "how to share file on internet" heh.

  13. #433
    Can you verify this?
    Like a video of the email

  14. #434
    Quote Originally Posted by elmoe420 View Post
    Use Google Drive, WeTransfer, etc. to share the file. If you have any real interest in proving its authentic then I'd put some more effort here like Google the search term "how to share file on internet" heh.
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/13x6...ew?usp=sharing

    now i feel stupid. i've been using google doc for quite a while and yet i forgot it existed when it came to this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    Can you verify this?
    Like a video of the email
    there has been verification with the DKIM, SPF, and HTML. i just supplied the email in an eml file as well for inspection.

  15. #435
    I never quite understand the aspect of people complaining about something they willing pay for. That they could just as easily stop paying for.


    "Please Blizzard, make it easier for me to give you money!!!"


    Like I understand wanting to play WoW and having to eat figurative shit for years while doing so, but the fact people will continue to fork over $15 a month for years while complaining the way they do -- even sending a cringe inducing email every freaking day -- in hopes to justify the hemorrhaging of cash from their wallets is absolutely ludicrous.

  16. #436
    Quote Originally Posted by KOUNTERPARTS View Post
    I never quite understand the aspect of people complaining about something they willing pay for. That they could just as easily stop paying for.


    "Please Blizzard, make it easier for me to give you money!!!"
    i did stop playing... please don't just assume.

  17. #437
    Quote Originally Posted by aceperson View Post
    i wouldn't expect a massive change even if it did happen. what i hope would happen would be a change in team practices. possibly more communication, more details on the desired outcome for features, listening to feedback and improving based on feedback given. none of that is happening now.
    Can we just stop the hole they dont listen to feedback bullshit , they listen and it havent always been a good thing.

    And just becouse players think a idea is good dont mean it is good, when players come up with solutions they often dont see the big picture.

    As a exempel class changes, players often just care about their class and demand changes without any thought how it would synergize or effect other classes.

  18. #438
    Quote Originally Posted by Raven View Post
    Can we just stop the hole they dont listen to feedback bullshit , they listen and it havent always been a good thing.

    And just becouse players think a idea is good dont mean it is good, when players come up with solutions they often dont see the big picture.

    As a exempel class changes, players often just care about their class and demand changes without any thought how it would synergize or effect other classes.
    i would agree that in general, our feedback is bad. but when someone like preach can call these things months in advance, you'd think they would listen.

  19. #439
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    btw here is ace's actual youtube, idk why he made a new one JUST to post these videos, seems fishy.
    https://www.youtube.com/user/ninjaman0003
    could just delete the channel so it cant be traced and claim something like "blizz made me take them down!" or something. especially since the email isnt even the right email.
    honestly ive seen people try worse.

    and yeah, icyveins, etc, fair few content creators are starting to pick this apart, as its pretty easy to actually spoof emails.


    cause here is whats obvious.

    Your locked thread where you asked people to spam the devs said

    "j.allen.brack@blizzard.com"

    But then these pictures you have, have the email
    "JBrack@blizzard.com"
    Now simply hey, he saw the email on one account, sent you an email on the other.
    But that email he sent is a response email.

    Meaning you were emailing JBrack@blizzard.com the whole time

    So why would you email JBrack@blizzard.com
    but tell people you were emailing j.allen.brack@blizzard.com
    ???
    You don't understand how emails work, you also have no idea how domains work and clearly have no idea about the protocols used to verify that the alleged sender of an email is the actual email that belongs to a domain.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2NU0GJjfJ4

    Yes, it is very easy to spoof emails. On the other hand, to bypass 3 protocols at the same time which have the job to verify if emails are sketchy for different reasons.. that's another business entirely.

    This video on second 23 shows everything you would need to know to understand the email isn't faked.

    - The protocols verify that the sender that identifies itself as JBrack@blizzard.com is the real JBrack@blizzard.com email
    - The protocols verify that JBrack email belongs to blizzard.com domain
    - The protocols verify that the email was sent from blizzard.com mail server
    - If you look up the IP address 148.163.137.2, you find out that it's a Proofpoint(https://www.proofpoint.com/us/) IP address based off Kansas

    The only way this whole business is faked is if he somehow managed to edit the video on that second to show an edited html page but I don't notice anything. You're free to figure out any inconsistencies in the video he posted. Like sudden cuts on the videos he posted
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  20. #440
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    Quote Originally Posted by TyrannicalPuppy View Post
    He was a high-end raider who knew that Blizzard had made a mistake. Blizzard listened to him and enlisted him to help fix that mistake. His career as a lawyer is entirely irrelevant to this discussion.

    Preach is a high-end raider who knows that Blizzard has made a mistake. He has made a career out of being a high-end raider with a significant following on YouTube. Despite this, Blizzard is saying "shut up we know better!"

    Mock the wording like a pompous prick all you want, it wasn't entirely literal, but it made a point.
    Ion showed Blizzard made a mathematical mistake. His raid comp, in the best pre-C'Thun gear possible, and theorycrafted to the best of their knowledge at the time, would be unable to defeat C'Thun. Now we know today that is not correct, but using the information available to players at the time it was.

    Preach/Bell/Asmon have done no such things. They have expressed opinions on somethings they think are mistakes, and some other people agree with them. They have not uncovered a mathematical error in the game and results in something being unbeatable/unplayable.
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