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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    International support.
    Oh yes the raid on the Mosque at the start of this, their PR was spot on and they gained a lot of traction and support which i have been told is different from last incidents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    They remain being the strongest ''party'' on their side of the fence, there is no opposition to them. They are really interested in keeping that power in place, read a good article about all this at the start of this most recent conflict cannot recall from where exactly but it did not paint these freedom fighters in a good light.
    That's unfortunate because Hamas will just further speed up Palestine's eventual erasure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    That's unfortunate because Hamas will just further speed up Palestine's eventual erasure.
    In Gaza yes but that wont be a fast event, also Hamas is active in more than just that part.
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    How long until the UN steps into and makes them stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    How long until the UN steps into and makes them stop.
    There are too many nations with veto power that would veto any potential action. Hell, the US wasn't even let the UN release a damned statement - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...rael-palestine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    International and internal support.
    The reason why there is international condemnation of Israel's actions isn't hamas' doing. It's because if Israel's behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    There are too many nations with veto power that would veto any potential action. Hell, the US wasn't even let the UN release a damned statement - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...rael-palestine
    Yes but things are changing. The US is not going to be able to keep up for long against China, there might be a switch in international policies. Already now with the B3W, attention has moved to developing countries. The US will have to convince many Islamic countries to buy into their funding package, while also supporting Israel, who is needlessly slaughtering Muslims by the thousands.
    I don't know, the veto is definitely an issue now but as things change, well who knows.
    If Israel wasnt served blindly by the US the world would have probably agreed on massive sanctions and who knows what else.

    China has also increased their trade with Israel esponentially in the last few years, but they are pretty clear on where they stand on the Palestinian issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cringefest View Post
    Yes but things are changing. The US is not going to be able to keep up for long against China, there might be a switch in international policies.
    Sure, but the US is never going to "abandon" Israel, and as a permanent member of the security council will continue to veto any potential condemnation/action against Israel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cringefest View Post
    China has also increased their trade with Israel esponentially in the last few years, but they are pretty clear in where they stand on the Palestinian issue.
    The entire rest of the world could come together in opposition/condemnation to Israel. And it wouldn't matter in the UN, especially regarding putting UN troops in Israel, because the US can simply veto anything they want as a permanent member.

    There have been missions to Israel in the past, but I don't think those are ever coming back. Things would have to get MUCH worse before that was even a possibility, sadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Sure, but the US is never going to "abandon" Israel, and as a permanent member of the security council will continue to veto any potential condemnation/action against Israel.



    The entire rest of the world could come together in opposition/condemnation to Israel. And it wouldn't matter in the UN, especially regarding putting UN troops in Israel, because the US can simply veto anything they want as a permanent member.

    There have been missions to Israel in the past, but I don't think those are ever coming back. Things would have to get MUCH worse before that was even a possibility, sadly.
    They're never going to abandon Israel until they can't support it anymore. It's not a two way deal there, it's literally money and international reputation thrown in the bin again and again and again. There's very little for the US coming back in this deal.
    As it stands they can support it. They moment they have to make some cuts, who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cringefest View Post
    The reason why there is international condemnation of Israel's actions isn't hamas' doing. It's because if Israel's behaviour.

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    Yes but things are changing. The US is not going to be able to keep up for long against China, there might be a switch in international policies. Already now with the B3W, attention has moved to developing countries. The US will have to convince many Islamic countries to buy into their funding package, while also supporting Israel, who is needlessly slaughtering Muslims by the thousands.
    I don't know, the veto is definitely an issue now but as things change, well who knows.
    If Israel wasnt served blindly by the US the world would have probably agreed on massive sanctions and who knows what else.

    China has also increased their trade with Israel esponentially in the last few years, but they are pretty clear on where they stand on the Palestinian issue.
    Yes, but they also know how Israel would respond if you bombard them (as any country would respond anyway).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Yes, but they also know how Israel would respond if you bombard them (as any country would respond anyway).
    I don't think anybody is talking about having the UN, or other nations, bomb Israel that I've seen so far. Sending in UN peacekeepers/monitors is a very, very different thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Yes, but they also know how Israel would respond if you bombard them (as any country would respond anyway).
    No country would behave like Israel without consequences, so not really a good comparison.
    Also I'm not sure bombing things is a good solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cringefest View Post
    Words--------->facts

    They allowed it to happen.

    Hold on, you approve of people marching chanting "death to Arabs" or "another nakba is coming"?
    Going to ask again - why they should not have allowed the march? Not like organizers said they would be screaming that. Not like Palestinian marches are different, just different slogans chanted. Either allow both or none.
    No, I do not approve. This is not kindergarden, do not try twisting what I said.

    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Yeah, free speech .

    And more free speech. So democratic!

    even more free speech! much expression, wow.
    Cherry picking? Cool cool. I mean this can be done for every single issue around the world. Some cop will always attack someone, which you will equate to everyone doing that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    How long until the UN steps into and makes them stop.
    Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cringefest View Post
    No country would behave like Israel without consequences, so not really a good comparison.
    Also I'm not sure bombing things is a good solution.
    So what would you do if you were the leader of Israël or any country ? Allow your population to get bombed and say: I am cool with it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Going to ask again - why they should not have allowed the march? Not like organizers said they would be screaming that. Not like Palestinian marches are different, just different slogans chanted. Either allow both or none.
    No, I do not approve. This is not kindergarden, do not try twisting what I said.



    Cherry picking? Cool cool. I mean this can be done for every single issue around the world. Some cop will always attack someone, which you will equate to everyone doing that.



    Lol.
    Easo, honestly you wouldn't ask that question if you knew a bit more about the participant. This wasn't a family party. Come on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    So what would you do if you were the leader of Israël or any country ? Allow your population to get bombed and say: I am cool with it ?
    Any other country would probably try to prevent it, or stop it. Israel as it is now, would most likely launch several nuclear bombs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    So what would you do if you were the leader of Israël or any country ? Allow your population to get bombed and say: I am cool with it ?
    Maybe question why at this point your even facing internal conflict that has "shocked Israeli's" who thought that they had a good relationship with there Arab neighbours? You know if Israel was a person I would strongly suggest therapy because clearly there is a strong lack of reflection on the consequences his or her actions. I'm kind of imagining Lucifer (from the TV show) who goes to therapy and does the exact opposite of what Linda tells him

    And you know even if no US politician/president will openly say so we can read between the lines of who is mostly responsible for ongoing conflict.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7319956.html

    “Surely Israelis and Palestinians will be better off if Palestinians reject incitement and recognize the legitimacy of Israel," he said on Tuesday.

    "But Israel must recognise that it cannot permanently occupy and settle Palestinian land."
    These two lines about both sides are not equal, from the Palestinian side Hamas (as a example) already acknowledges that the Israel is here to stay while Israel has never really wanted peace and find's the current status quo more than fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    Maybe question why at this point your even facing internal conflict that has "shocked Israeli's" who thought that they had a good relationship with there Arab neighbours? You know if Israel was a person I would strongly suggest therapy because clearly there is a strong lack of reflection on the consequences his or her actions. I'm kind of imagining Lucifer (from the TV show) who goes to therapy and does the exact opposite of what Linda tells him

    And you know even if no US politician/president will openly say so we can read between the lines of who is mostly responsible for ongoing conflict.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7319956.html



    These two lines about both sides are not equal, from the Palestinian side Hamas (as a example) already acknowledges that the Israel is here to stay while Israel has never really wanted peace and find's the current status quo more than fine.
    And yet Hamas is still bombing Israel. Way to show them that they are there to stay.

  17. #2357
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    And yet Hamas is still bombing Israel. Way to show them that they are there to stay.
    You don't HAVE to reply all the times you know. If you have nothing to say just scroll and move on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    And yet Hamas is still bombing Israel. Way to show them that they are there to stay.
    And Israel has still put up a blockade even before Hamas started any kind of bombing.....way to show that you want peace.
    I mean I can't fault Hamas or any other Palestinian (especially if they are living in Gaza) for not going the Gandhi way because
    1) non of us has ever lived in a situation where mulitply generations of your family suffered the actions where they got kicked out of there homes
    2) and when it looked like you got some sort of control (Gaza) right the power that occupied you decided that they didn't like your choice and put up a blockade.

    I mean we can go on who is at fault and run in circles but then I don't think that the Israeli side really minds this kind of discussions because that allows them to keep the status qua going for another decade or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cringefest View Post
    You don't HAVE to reply all the times you know. If you have nothing to say just scroll and move on?
    Way to look into the mirror, buddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    And Israel has still put up a blockade even before Hamas started any kind of bombing.....way to show that you want peace.
    I mean I can't fault Hamas or any other Palestinian (especially if they are living in Gaza) for not going the Gandhi way because
    1) non of us has ever lived in a situation where mulitply generations of your family suffered the actions where they got kicked out of there homes
    2) and when it looked like you got some sort of control (Gaza) right the power that occupied you decided that they didn't like your choice and put up a blockade.

    I mean we can go on who is at fault and run in circles but then I don't think that the Israeli side really minds this kind of discussions because that allows them to keep the status qua going for another decade or two.
    Can't really blame Israel either for bombing back those that send rockets at civilian areas with the goal of hurting civilians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Way to look into the mirror, buddy.

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    Can't really blame Israel either for bombing back those that send rockets at civilian areas with the goal of hurting civilians.
    You're not engaging with context at all, you're just saying basic stuff. You're not really interested in having a discussion, you just want to waste people's time is all.

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