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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Ah yes, "protesters". Who does not know about protesters sending incendiary balloons?



    Supports? Wanna quote from Israel's Foreign Minister? I am gonna give it anyway:
    The protesters didn’t send the balloons. The injuries suffered by them caused the balloons as retaliation from Hamas. You really need to pay better attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Pretty much, I'm sure there is a wall of filtered out comments now crying crocodile tears, but reality is simple if Hamas launches their incendiary and explosive crap over the border - Israel responds. Expecting there to be no response over this is just silly and nothing to do with Israel, because every bloody single government in the world would do the same or just get tossed out in the elections.

    It's fine by me, really. I have more pressing concerns like housing crisis.
    Yeah, ignore the actions of police during that march and pretend valid criticism doesn’t exist. Heil Bibi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Ah yes, "protesters". Who does not know about protesters sending incendiary balloons?
    Ahh yes, an "incendiary balloon." Who does not know of these weapons of mass destruction that threaten the existence of Israel.

    Supports? Wanna quote from Israel's Foreign Minister? I am gonna give it anyway:
    Uh, you might try and look these things up before commenting.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ds-2021-06-14/

    JERUSALEM, June 14 (Reuters) - Israel’s new government on Monday approved a Jewish nationalist march in Jerusalem, a step that risks inflaming tensions with Palestinians hours after veteran leader Benjamin Netanyahu handed over power to Prime Minister Naftali Bennett.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Ahh yes, an "incendiary balloon." Who does not know of these weapons of mass destruction that threaten the existence of Israel.



    Uh, you might try and look these things up before commenting.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ds-2021-06-14/

    JERUSALEM, June 14 (Reuters) - Israel’s new government on Monday approved a Jewish nationalist march in Jerusalem, a step that risks inflaming tensions with Palestinians hours after veteran leader Benjamin Netanyahu handed over power to Prime Minister Naftali Bennett.
    You one of those to whom rock throwing is fine too?

    Ever heard of democracy? On what basis it should be stopped? Your dislike for far right nationalists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    The protesters didn’t send the balloons. The injuries suffered by them caused the balloons as retaliation from Hamas. You really need to pay better attention.
    Injuries suffered because they were pure and innocent? Sure.

    Maybe you need to pay attention yourself (starting with who mentioned protesters in the first place). You even said Hamas. Yes, exactly Hamas. Go complain to them. Oh, wait.
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    IF IM STUPID, so is Donald Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    You one of those to whom rock throwing is fine too?

    Ever heard of democracy? On what basis it should be stopped? Your dislike for far right nationalists.
    I'm one of those people who say rock throwing doesn't justify the death of children from bombing population dense areas.

    What democracy? Apartheid states are not real democracies by definition. Especially when one group is granted the right to free speech in occupied territory and another isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    I'm one of those people who say rock throwing doesn't justify the death of children from bombing population dense areas.

    What democracy? Apartheid states are not real democracies by definition. Especially when one group is granted the right to free speech in occupied territory and another isn't.
    Attempting to burn people alive does not too?
    I am pretty sure even this thread had a video from recent events with Israeli police standing and doing nothing while a Palestianian... mob? tried to do their best to provoke them by screaming and showing phones in their faces. Free speech? Free speech.
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    Take that haters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Ah yes, "protesters". Who does not know about protesters sending incendiary balloons?



    Supports? Wanna quote from Israel's Foreign Minister? I am gonna give it anyway:
    Words--------->facts

    They allowed it to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    You one of those to whom rock throwing is fine too?

    Ever heard of democracy? On what basis it should be stopped? Your dislike for far right nationalists?



    Injuries suffered because they were pure and innocent? Sure.

    Maybe you need to pay attention yourself (starting with who mentioned protesters in the first place). You even said Hamas. Yes, exactly Hamas. Go complain to them. Oh, wait.
    Hold on, you approve of people marching chanting "death to Arabs" or "another nakba is coming"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Attempting to burn people alive does not too?
    I am pretty sure even this thread had a video from recent events with Israeli police standing and doing nothing while a Palestianian... mob? tried to do their best to provoke them by screaming and showing phones in their faces. Free speech? Free speech.
    Yeah, free speech .

    And more free speech. So democratic!

    even more free speech! much expression, wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cringefest View Post
    Imagine supporting a country that systematically protects extreme far right marches at the level we've seen with this latest one.
    You mean...like...literal torch-carrying Nazis?

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    While i agree that the retaliation by the Israeli army is often if not always disproportionate, one must not forget that Hamas also gains influence and thus wins by luring out these attacks.

    Both extremes gain by keeping this game of human suffering going. Every time an attack succeeds they declare it as a win, yes it is perverse but you can really reduce this to a game of the one side trying to do one over on the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    You mean...like...literal torch-carrying Nazis?
    Yeah, imagine supporting that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    While i agree that the retaliation by the Israeli army is often if not always disproportionate, one must not forget that Hamas also gains influence and thus wins by luring out these attacks.

    Both extremes gain by keeping this game of human suffering going. Every time an attack succeeds they declare it as a win, yes it is perverse but you can really reduce this to a game of the one side trying to do one over on the other.
    What is Hamas gaining from any of this? The West Bank and East Jerusalem continues to be settled. Hard to find it a win when Palestinians keep losing their homes via settlements or bombs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    What is Hamas gaining from any of this? The West Bank and East Jerusalem continues to be settled. Hard to find it a win when Palestinians keep losing their homes via settlements or bombs.
    They remain being the strongest ''party'' on their side of the fence, there is no opposition to them. They are really interested in keeping that power in place, read a good article about all this at the start of this most recent conflict cannot recall from where exactly but it did not paint these freedom fighters in a good light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    What is Hamas gaining from any of this? The West Bank and East Jerusalem continues to be settled. Hard to find it a win when Palestinians keep losing their homes via settlements or bombs.
    International and internal support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    International support.
    Oh yes the raid on the Mosque at the start of this, their PR was spot on and they gained a lot of traction and support which i have been told is different from last incidents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    They remain being the strongest ''party'' on their side of the fence, there is no opposition to them. They are really interested in keeping that power in place, read a good article about all this at the start of this most recent conflict cannot recall from where exactly but it did not paint these freedom fighters in a good light.
    That's unfortunate because Hamas will just further speed up Palestine's eventual erasure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    That's unfortunate because Hamas will just further speed up Palestine's eventual erasure.
    In Gaza yes but that wont be a fast event, also Hamas is active in more than just that part.
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    How long until the UN steps into and makes them stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    How long until the UN steps into and makes them stop.
    There are too many nations with veto power that would veto any potential action. Hell, the US wasn't even let the UN release a damned statement - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...rael-palestine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    International and internal support.
    The reason why there is international condemnation of Israel's actions isn't hamas' doing. It's because if Israel's behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    There are too many nations with veto power that would veto any potential action. Hell, the US wasn't even let the UN release a damned statement - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...rael-palestine
    Yes but things are changing. The US is not going to be able to keep up for long against China, there might be a switch in international policies. Already now with the B3W, attention has moved to developing countries. The US will have to convince many Islamic countries to buy into their funding package, while also supporting Israel, who is needlessly slaughtering Muslims by the thousands.
    I don't know, the veto is definitely an issue now but as things change, well who knows.
    If Israel wasnt served blindly by the US the world would have probably agreed on massive sanctions and who knows what else.

    China has also increased their trade with Israel esponentially in the last few years, but they are pretty clear on where they stand on the Palestinian issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cringefest View Post
    Yes but things are changing. The US is not going to be able to keep up for long against China, there might be a switch in international policies.
    Sure, but the US is never going to "abandon" Israel, and as a permanent member of the security council will continue to veto any potential condemnation/action against Israel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cringefest View Post
    China has also increased their trade with Israel esponentially in the last few years, but they are pretty clear in where they stand on the Palestinian issue.
    The entire rest of the world could come together in opposition/condemnation to Israel. And it wouldn't matter in the UN, especially regarding putting UN troops in Israel, because the US can simply veto anything they want as a permanent member.

    There have been missions to Israel in the past, but I don't think those are ever coming back. Things would have to get MUCH worse before that was even a possibility, sadly.

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