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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Or it's about survival in the face of every neighbour saying "they need to be thrown into the Ocean". Potato Potatoe.
    Well that tends to happen when the west decided to stick some people there and force out other people... and then back their pet project with tons of money while ignoring their war crimes...

    Israel is nothing but a means to an end for the united states. A country to be used by the US for relations in the ME to do what it wants. And then you have the other "end of world" reason...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    And a great way of verifying their worse fears patato patatoe.
    No, that's not historically accurate. Israel was fine with the UN assigned status quo until the neighbours decided to tag team Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    The jews did uprise and try to fight back multiple times before the extermination began... they should have just been happy in their ghettos and not pushed the nazis.
    They did not have a military... there were no suicide bombers... what the fuck?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Well that tends to happen when the west decided to stick some people there and force out other people... and then back their pet project with tons of money while ignoring their war crimes...

    Israel is nothing but a means to an end for the united states. A country to be used by the US for relations in the ME to do what it wants. And then you have the other "end of world" reason...
    It wasn't really the West, was it? It was Jewish people just creating a situation and the UN tried to handle it... badly, but in what quite probably seemed the least stupid manner at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    You are literally devaluing what happened... this is a kin to Holocaust denial... Jews were not chugging bombs at Germany... Jews did not have a hamas type organization... Jews did not have a military...
    There is no "devaluing". I'm literally using the horror and magnitude of the Holocaust as my central point.

    Also, to be frank, learn some WWII history. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/conte...ish-resistance
    There absolutely were armed Jewish resistance groups fighting the Nazis.


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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    You can point out war crimes and injustice towards Palestinians without defending or justifying the actions of Hamas. The enemy of your enemy isn't your friend by default. This is like arguing that Jabhat al-Nusra were really freedom fighters in Syria despite making it very clear they wanted turn Syria into a theocracy and terrorize every non-Sunni Muslim that lived within its borders.
    I see you are utterly failing here to understand the point. My arguing of what right have you to call them terrorist doesn't magically mean I defend the actions they take. It's saying... they're both doing "terrorist" actions and you lot here (those defending Israel) seem to only think "one" side is the terrorist but not the other...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    No, that's not historically accurate. Israel was fine with the UN assigned status quo until the neighbours decided to tag team Israel.
    There you go again deflecting and twisting history my point was nukes was not the way to bring the temperature down. Now every county there wants a nuke even so called US allies Saudi Arabia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    I see you are utterly failing here to understand the point. My arguing of what right have you to call them terrorist doesn't magically mean I defend the actions they take. It's saying... they're both doing "terrorist" actions and you lot here (those defending Israel) seem to only think "one" side is the terrorist but not the other...
    I haven't defended Israel once in this thread you absolute muppet, learn to read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    There is no "devaluing". I'm literally using the horror and magnitude of the Holocaust as my central point.

    Also, to be frank, learn some WWII history. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/conte...ish-resistance
    There absolutely were armed Jewish resistance groups fighting the Nazis.
    Well that settles it.

    Felya using his own argument, must believe that due to Jewish uprising the Nazis had some right to squash them... by any means...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    There you go again deflecting and twisting history my point was nukes was not the way to bring the temperature down. Now every county there wants a nuke even so called US allies Saudi Arabia.
    Technological advantage is the only reason why there even is a state of Israel today. That was my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    I haven't defended Israel once in this thread you absolute muppet, learn to read.
    There is such a thing as a general you... like if you(even this you proves my point, it can be easily taken as 'one') read a book that says "Mat walked into the dark room carefully, you always had to be careful. There could be a gholam. 'Blood and blooded ashes' he muttered." It isn't such a direct "you the reader" you.

    I purposefully put the parethenses after you lot here to specify the you lot was referring to those who defended Israel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    There is no "devaluing". I'm literally using the horror and magnitude of the Holocaust as my central point.
    Yes, you are using the Holocaust to prove some point, instead of dealing with the facts of the situation. Because what is actually happening, is simply not enough for you.

    Also, to be frank, learn some WWII history. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/conte...ish-resistance
    There absolutely were armed Jewish resistance groups fighting the Nazis.
    To be frank, show me anything remote that Jews had, compared to Palestinians. Can you point to the Jewish state in Germany, wit( their own health minister? With their own military? Where they were bombing Germany, to the point Germany claimed Krustalnacht was about saving lives?

    If Jews were doing what hamas is doing, Hitler wouldn’t need the Jewish question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Technological advantage is the only reason why there even is a state of Israel today. That was my point.
    Yea but they chose to have nukes you can have technological advantage and not have nukes, Israel didn't need them they got it to be dicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Felya using his own argument, must believe that due to Jewish uprising the Nazis had some right to squash them... by any means...
    No, show me the Jewish military and how Jews were bombing Germany. You can pretend you are responding to what I said... but, you haven’t... when Germans took Jewish homes, their got a train ride to an oven.

    This is absurd and simply lets you hide the fact that you can’t discuss this topic, without absurd hyperbole.
    @Endus you questioned my WW2 history... you better back that shit up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Yes, you are using the Holocaust to prove some point, instead of dealing with the facts of the situation. Because what is actually happening, is simply not enough for you.
    I'm not the one who brought in Holocaust comparisons in the first place.

    To be frank, show me anything remote that Jews had, compared to Palestinians. Can you point to the Jewish state in Germany, wit( their own health minister? With their own military? Where they were bombing Germany, to the point Germany claimed Krustalnacht was about saving lives?

    If Jews were doing what hamas is doing, Hitler wouldn’t need the Jewish question.
    So you're just going to skip over the use of molotovs and hand grenades cited in the article I linked? It's pretty comparable, given the difference in technological availability. You're also playing pointless games with the timeline (specifically, ignoring the much longer timeline for Israeli-Palestinian conflicts, because nothing happening right now emerged from a vacuum). All because you were just wrong about the passivity of Jewish people in the Reich.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    If I did, I wouldn’t point out the bias... Would this change to what you said be wrong?



    So... what the fuck?



    Yes, then why do you ignore that suicide bombers literally try to hit public places? That is literally their intent and in their manifesto. Israel is at least claiming they are hitting military targets, for you to claim its lying. Suicide bombers are honest about it...
    The fuck type of argument is this?

    "Israel is claiming"

    Who gives a fuck about their claims when we know their actions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    N@Endus you questioned my WW2 history... you better back that shit up...
    Literally provided you a link. I backed it up right at the start.

    Meanwhile, you haven't backed up your position, so kindly stop projecting.

    Edit: if you want more, have at it;
    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/conte...ance-partisans
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...ide-180975486/
    https://www.adl.org/sites/default/fi...NYLM-Guide.pdf
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/260923?seq=1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    They did not have a military... there were no suicide bombers... what the fuck?
    They didn't have suicide "bombers" but they had "suicide attackers" people who fought and rose up knowing they would die and as endus pointed out...grenades.. molotovs.

    In fact the history of war is filled with tons of suicide attacks, only suicide bombing is treated in a special way... but personally... I think all suicide attacks are the same in purpose... kill people... know you will die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Yea but they chose to have nukes you can have technological advantage and not have nukes, Israel didn't need them they got it to be dicks.
    I don't know if they have nukes to be dicks. As far as I know they still haven't officially acknowledged them having nukes. Israel is typically low-key about anything military. But I may have missed that piece of news, of course, so you may be able to educate me here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Israel is currently committing constant war crimes and crimes against humanity.
    Demanding someone pay rent or renew a lease even if they don't like the race of the person who they owe rent to is a war crime? Remember, this is over a rent dispute on an apartment building.
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