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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    You'd be correct, most of the world officially regards Taiwan as part of the People's Republic of China as a result of the PRC having an official One-China policy as a condition of doing business with them. Only about 14 countries maintain relations with the Republic of China.
    but not even china regards it as part of china... as noted by their ambassador here in sweden who countered someone calling himself a china expert... by saying that he's only been to taiwan...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarcube View Post
    but not even china regards it as part of china...
    The Constitution of the PRC regards Taiwan as part of China proper, I don't give a shit what your friend heard the ambassador's mistress say to their valet.

    Just stop. You're not informed on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    The Constitution of the PRC regards Taiwan as part of China.

    Just stop. You're not informed on the subject.

    ...

    "olsson calls himself a china expert but he doesn't research china in sweden or china, instead he went to for a long time taiwan"
    then he realized what he said...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarcube View Post
    then he realized what he said...
    No one cares.

    Unless this dude's word is somehow the thing that defines international relations and international law regarding state recognition (it doesn't, sit down), it's not relevant. Stop making shit up and derailing the thread because you can't handle being wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    No one cares.
    yet you respond... lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post

    Unless this dude's word is somehow the thing that defines international relations and international law regarding state recognition (it doesn't, sit down), it's not relevant. Stop making shit up and derailing the thread because you can't handle being wrong.
    why does china respect taiwan's airspace if they consider it part of china? shouldn't they just fly there as they want to then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    You'll note that it's not universal.

    Ask the same question about any other country, the answer would be universal.
    Or nearly so, with a few single-nation outliers for places like Taiwan.

    Palestine has not achieved statehood. It's seeking that recognition, and gaining ground, but it isn't there yet.

    And this is from someone who supports Palestine as an independent state, FWIW.
    by that reasoning south korea isn't a state... because it's not universally recognized... nor is north korea... because it's not universally recognized... kosovo has less international recognition than palestine so not a state either... maybe serbia should take their territory back from those who seek to steal their territory...
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    I think things are swerving way off topic, when people are actually in agreement that Palestine should be an independent state.
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    Iron Dome Interceptors on the left and Hamas missiles on the right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Your article noted, as did I, that the Sheikh Jarrah issue only served as an opportunity for Hamas. It was to prove its chops after their local counterpart cancelled elections yet again. I think you should apply similar deductions to why people in this forum are intent in calling Israel's actions war crimes and genocides. The facts of the issue show it doesn't stem from strange perspectives on property rights, so you have to search deeper.
    There might be something to that line of questioning, but I feel it is for them to answer. As for why it is that Israel is somehow committing ethnic cleansing despite granting these four families protected status and demanding a Jew and Israeli citizen basically honor a lease agreement that the owner didn't even agree to or set up, that was thrust upon them by an invading army that seized the Jewish persons property because of the ethnicity of the owner I'll mind you, and then this supposedly genocidal apartheid government dragged the court case out for decades letting these four Arab families, who I remind you Israel is supposedly ethnically cleansing, live rent free and totally screw the Jewish land owner for decades and only when it looks like now, decades and decades later an eviction notice is finally being served, that THAT is a genocide. Four families given every opportunity to live in peace and even the unfortunate property owner agreeing to the court's demands with the good faith expectation they'd be paid rent; but no, I guess what? The Jewish person has no right to buy and own anything and definitely is committing a human rights atrocity eclipsing the Holocaust to meekly ask an Arab tenant to pay rent or be evicted. I guess we ought to drag that landlord to the Haugh for expecting a rent payment, which is, I guess, the same as loading the families up in a cattle car and gassing them according to the commentators around here.

    I mean, How can there be peace in that region and between different people if a lease agreement cannot be honored and if one person is of a different ethnic group the other will gin up a race riot and an actual war and decry any attempt to ask them to pay a bill they agreed to as a genocide? No wonder these two communities cannot live in peace, one faction, the one Hamas is backing, doesn't believe Jews can own or purchase anything.

    I mean, if a Jew whose title to these houses was acquired long before Israel ever existed and who even agreed to accept the lease forced upon them by a hostile army, who didn't even recognize that person (The Jewish title holder) can own ANY property at all and this unfortunate person cannot even demand basic things like a rent check in a forty? fifty? year span without being accused of committing a war crime, and the government that patiently asked for decades for these families to honor the lease agreement they themselves agreed to in the initial court case is accused of out right genocide and ethnic cleansing. Well what hope for peace is there. I guess Jews are forbidden from owning land or anything. And they definitely cannot ever rent to an Arab because doing so is a big risk, what if the Arab doesn't want to pay rent? Well.... can't evict him or you are committing literal genocide in the eyes of a massive legion of armchair activists. The official line is I guess that if a Jew owns something he or she has no right to ask for a rent payment at all from an Arab, doing so is a human rights abuse and a literal genocide.

    In any other country and if the landlord was any other ethnicity this would be a minor local story and nobody would dine to entertain the idea that being served an eviction notice after multiple decades of not paying rent constitutes a war crime. And I guess even the staunch defenders of property rights absolutism have a limit, as I've seen even from the Ayn Rand fanclub here, Property Rights do have a border, they end where the Kippah begins.
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    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Rozz already said to stop this hyperbole... but, and anyone is free to answer this question... Are Palestinians willing to be Israelites?

    Unless you answer yes... you better think for a god damn minute what you are implying...

    Theo is right about this...
    What an interesting question.

    Palestinians aren't instantly granted citizenship and their status can be revoked that would be like... Americans of Irish descent being able to get citizenship but if they leave America then for too long their citizenship can be revoked while say.. Anglos born anywhere in the world can be American. Have a 900 year history on that little island? Well you're American
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    Black women are racist. Im the one trying to make her[my wife] behave like white people and not say it out loud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    As long as they are useful political tools they keep some around, we all know the conclusion here all roads lead to more dead bodies. As more extremists take power it will speed up don't worry.
    I don't know man, listen to interviews with people on the street, some of them are really sick of this shit. On both sides. The orthodox idiots don't represent the entirety of Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    I don't know man, listen to interviews with people on the street, some of them are really sick of this shit. On both sides. The orthodox idiots don't represent the entirety of Israel.
    This is probably the only thing we are going to agree on people are sick of it and want it to end however it is also true that everyone is scared and there isn't trust on either side. When people are afraid they close their eyes and accept anyone who tells them that they will keep them safe that's why people like Bibi will keep power while running entirely on racism.

    It's human nature I don't blame them it takes a lot to put you and yours at risk in the name of peace but it's simply not going to happen leadership is going more and more extreme as time goes on.

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    the bibi situation is still bad. Hes living in a fantasy land. No functional government for 2 years now? Bibi thinks if he gets power again he can just disappear the court case against him through force of will. It would be a judicial coup. He politics are more and more deranged (like his son). And more and more in the realm of fantasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    the bibi situation is still bad. Hes living in a fantasy land. No functional government for 2 years now? Bibi thinks if he gets power again he can just disappear the court case against him through force of will. It would be a judicial coup. He politics are more and more deranged (like his son). And more and more in the realm of fantasy.
    I think the plan is to say that the weight of the office prevents the investigation from going forward all the while working behind the scenes to make it crumble. It is similar with what Trump did here with Mueller investigation, delay deny and undermine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    I think the plan is to say that the weight of the office prevents the investigation from going forward all the while working behind the scenes to make it crumble. It is similar with what Trump did here with Mueller investigation, delay deny and undermine.
    Kind of works doesn't it? Netanyahu's wife got off pretty good for misusing public funds and that was with a limited scope investigation, if they treated her like everybody else the you could probably find a long list of crimes.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48652986

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ettan View Post
    Well to start of I do not care who is right, who is wrong, what is up or what is down.
    To me might makes right. Nothing more to it.
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    Love how those with fascist dogwhistles somehow always seem to be the ones calling for genocide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ettan View Post
    Well to start of I do not care who is right, who is wrong, what is up or what is down.
    To me might makes right. Nothing more to it.

    Here the continued existence of either side proves an existential threat to the other.
    I say just roll them over once and for all and be done with it.

    End it, permanently in a matter of weeks. No more Palestine.
    Dissplace 5.2M people, potentially take the lives of tens of thousands.
    or
    Do nothing and continue half assed meashures to have the conflict drag on for perpetuity.

    And no, not arguing for genocide here either per say: the essence of what I feel like we have here is the train track dilemma.
    Would you swap the tracks, you know nothing will stop this train, it will kill alot of people irregardless of your actions; but you can take drastic action. Action that will divert the train down a more frictionless path.
    Or we could say take a short term hit for the long term positive.

    It is abit of a strech to deem the conflict an existential threat to Israel currently, but only once you isolate it, if you take into account the larger picture it poses a very real threat (not that the other regional powers actually cares about the plight of the palesitinans, but as a cause for war and a propaganda instrument it works perfectly to divert attention from their own issues).

    And lets not to forget that while these rockets shoot at israel are filled curde explosives for now, in the future; this may not be the case:
    that is precisely what from the Israeli pov makes the whole situation rather unacceptable/ unsustainable for the long run.

    So with that in mind their aim must be to crucify the opposition, not for what the have done, but for what they are capable of doing.
    And dont pretend they wont, hamas will use any means they can. Once their current operations reveals itself to be as ineffective as it is for their cause; they will have no other course of action but to step it up a knoch.
    This leaves no real option for the israeli side, they must declaw this threat.
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    Anyway thats my 10cents il have the popcorn ready whatever the course of action, and may the right side win (somehow it always does)
    ps seems like the show is just about to start tonight.
    Nope, you are literally arguing for genocide.

    You are literally arguing for ethnic cleansing.

    That was a rather verbose defense of the Holocaust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Nope, you are literally arguing for genocide.

    You are literally arguing for ethnic cleansing.

    That was a rather verbose defense of the Holocaust.
    I always get a kick out of people arguing for a thing in one paragraph and thinking they can pull a fast one in the next by saying "don't get me wrong, I'm not saying ___."

    Like yeah, actually, you just did. I can only imagine the level of gaslighting these people do in real life. FFS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    I always get a kick out of people arguing for a thing in one paragraph and thinking they can pull a fast one in the next by saying "don't get me wrong, I'm not saying ___."

    Like yeah, actually, you just did. I can only imagine the level of gaslighting these people do in real life. FFS.
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    Now they spend holidays and weekends shitposting on c level forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    Im writing up a character for the next episode of Yellowstone. They're so toxic and miserable that even the family court judge notices and mentions it in the custody ruling.
    Now they spend holidays and weekends shitposting on c level forums.

    *Boss Dutton weeps as the sun sets on the mountains. If only this person had learned to ride a horse...
    Make sure to add that some of their favorite topics are pointing out how Israel is just defending itself against jihadists, means testing welfare because freeloading is bad for the budget, and they're just asking questions about IQ test results between populations.
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    To me might makes right. Nothing more to it.
    You realise this is a fascist outlook, right?

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