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    Israel should be brought to the Hague for war crimes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    @Easo the "army" might be doing everything reasonable to limit casualties but it's not all that clear black and white, one thing however is for certain the political climate and the support of Jewish Orthodox extremists is a big reason why this is currently happening. So there's a reason there is this focus on Israel they are in my eyes also the antagonizer past events can have been different, but i find it is important to say that we can both find Hamas actions terrible and both find Israels actions terrible.

    I always struggled with this idea that if i were to condemn one side i am suddenly absolving the other side of their actions.
    Orthodoxals are... questionable in their support. There are bunch of them who basically do not believe that Israel should exist because it was not created by messiah (if I remember correctly) thereore the current country is illegitimate.

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    Is it really over a handful of squatters from the Jordanian conquest area, in a decade-long legal dispute? I mean, really? I’d say the overt cause is purely pretextual, in the sense that WW1 wasn’t really about a Serbian assassinating an Austrian.
    You might find my wall of text about this some 10 or so pages ago. Of course this was just used as a pretext, there are lot of interested parties, chiefly Fatah and Hamas, and then Bibi and his party "representing" Israel as well.

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    Israel should be brought to the Hague for war crimes...
    Just Israel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daedius View Post
    Israel should be brought to the Hague for war crimes...
    By what authority? Why wouldn't Palestine be prosecuted first? If Israel was occupied by Muslims who behaved in the same way then no one would be saying anything like that. The world is just jealous and envious of Jews and how they do relatively good compared to their neighbors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    The world is just jealous and envious of Jews and how they do relatively good compared to their neighbors.
    you are absolutely out of your mind if this is what you think is going on.

    really, not sure how many times it needs to be brought up that both sides have problems with human rights abuses but one side has way more dead bodies on their hands in the past 20 years than the other. care to take a guess which one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    By what authority? Why wouldn't Palestine be prosecuted first? If Israel was occupied by Muslims who behaved in the same way then no one would be saying anything like that. The world is just jealous and envious of Jews and how they do relatively good compared to their neighbors.
    Bullshit.

    Why would anyone be jealous of Nazis and child murderers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Bullshit.

    Why would anyone be jealous of Nazis and child murderers?
    Other Nazis, that they are being out-Nazied?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    By what authority? Why wouldn't Palestine be prosecuted first? If Israel was occupied by Muslims who behaved in the same way then no one would be saying anything like that. The world is just jealous and envious of Jews and how they do relatively good compared to their neighbors.
    Fucking LOL! @ this arrogant post.

    It has everything to do with intentionally shooting at civilian structures indiscriminately...

    For the record, Israel signed the Hague conventions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    By what authority? Why wouldn't Palestine be prosecuted first? If Israel was occupied by Muslims who behaved in the same way then no one would be saying anything like that. The world is just jealous and envious of Jews and how they do relatively good compared to their neighbors.
    It takes pretty big cajones to see people upset that Israelis consistently and systematically kill Palestinian civilians, including children, and take from that somehow that we're all just "jealous and envious of Jews". I don't even care that they're Jews. I care that they're killing children. Same way I loathe Caitlyn Jenner, not because she's transgender, but because she killed a guy while driving and texting and got to walk away without being charged for the homicide. Bringing up that she's transgender is irrelevant to the actual issue, where I'd have exactly the same issue no matter who had been driving. My issue has nothing to do with their identity, in either case, but with their actions.

    Apparently, the Jewishness of Israelis matters more to you than their practice of killing innocents, and well, that says more about you than it says about anyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daedius View Post
    Israel should be brought to the Hague for war crimes...
    Who knew expecting an Arab family to pay rent and then evicting them after decades of legal battle for never paying it was a Hague worthy violation of Human Rights. Then again, that eviction for never paying rent is pretty genocidal. I remain beside myself at the ridiculous hysterics of this whole thing.
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    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    By what authority? Why wouldn't Palestine be prosecuted first? If Israel was occupied by Muslims who behaved in the same way then no one would be saying anything like that. The world is just jealous and envious of Jews and how they do relatively good compared to their neighbors.
    Seriously? I mean only in the last few years have western media acknowledged even a fraction of the shit Israel is doing for the last 50 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Who knew expecting an Arab family to pay rent and then evicting them after decades of legal battle for never paying it was a Hague worthy violation of Human Rights. Then again, that eviction for never paying rent is pretty genocidal. I remain beside myself at the ridiculous hysterics of this whole thing.
    I think it's less that and more the...everything else going on that you seem to refuse to acknowledge exists as you keep focusing purely on the eviction as if that's the only thing going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Who knew expecting an Arab family to pay rent and then evicting them after decades of legal battle for never paying it was a Hague worthy violation of Human Rights. Then again, that eviction for never paying rent is pretty genocidal. I remain beside myself at the ridiculous hysterics of this whole thing.
    what a bizarre thing to be hung up on while people are dying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I think it's less that and more the...everything else going on that you seem to refuse to acknowledge exists as you keep focusing purely on the eviction as if that's the only thing going on.
    Well, its the core start of the conflict and the claim of 'Ethnic Cleansing' is entirely resting on some belief that the evictions of four or so families is a literal genocidal act, despite you know who owns the buildings and the legal cases around it. Plus Hamas calling for race riots over these evictions started the conflict.

    I focus on it because I wonder what many peoples opinions are on how this should have gone down. The best I can determine is that in many peoples views, a Jew is committing a Human Rights violation to expect to be paid a rent check even if both parties agreed to it and its a genocide to evict said families for not paying for decades. I'm wondering if in your view or the view of others here a Jew has a right to buy things in that region or any region? It is strange to me that its an Atrocity worthy of the Hague to expect an Arab family to honor a lease, and I guess Israel should load up buses of school children and offer them as a living sacrifice to sate Hamas who started riots and violence to defend the apparent sacred right of an Arab family to never pay rent even if they signed on to do so.

    Pretty much nobody in this thread even acknowledges the owner of those four houses has any right to even own it, even though it was bought well before Israel even existed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Who knew expecting an Arab family to pay rent and then evicting them after decades of legal battle for never paying it was a Hague worthy violation of Human Rights. Then again, that eviction for never paying rent is pretty genocidal. I remain beside myself at the ridiculous hysterics of this whole thing.
    This is just nakedly defending ethnic cleansing. This is not a rental dispute and parroting Israeli propaganda used to justify their atrocities is not gonna constitute a defense.

    https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/what-i...nsing-n1266897
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...ccupation.html
    https://news.yahoo.com/cnn-msnbc-gue...210739456.html
    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/05/i...al-aqsa-mosque
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ions-settlers/

    The decisions of Israeli courts that the properties are owned by Jewish landlords are just part of the process of that ethnic cleansing. The courts aren't neutral parties; they're an integral part of the process.


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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    what a bizarre thing to be hung up on while people are dying.
    Hamas started a war over unpaid rent, I suspect your anger is misdirected.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Who knew expecting an Arab family to pay rent and then evicting them after decades of legal battle for never paying it was a Hague worthy violation of Human Rights. Then again, that eviction for never paying rent is pretty genocidal. I remain beside myself at the ridiculous hysterics of this whole thing.
    Rent? Do you really want to open this discussion of rent?
    Not sure if you win that argument if we start including Palestinian refugees and the rent that they haven't received.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    I focus on it because I wonder what many peoples opinions are on how this should have gone down. The best I can determine is that in many peoples views, a Jew is committing a Human Rights violation to expect to be paid a rent check even if both parties agreed to it and its a genocide to evict said families for not paying for decades.
    It's more that, if this were in Canada, adverse possession laws would have given title to these properties to their Palestinian owners back in the 60's. You keep saying they "didn't pay rent for decades", but the only entity saying they don't own the homes and that they owe rent are the Israeli courts that are being used to perpetrate the cleansing. It's liking citing a Nazi court's decision that a Jewish family's property all belongs to the Reich now and that's why you don't have to give back the stolen art.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Who knew expecting an Arab family to pay rent and then evicting them after decades of legal battle for never paying it was a Hague worthy violation of Human Rights. Then again, that eviction for never paying rent is pretty genocidal. I remain beside myself at the ridiculous hysterics of this whole thing.
    Are you still pushing this lie?

    More than 30 dead kids, and you want to make this about rent.
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    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    Rent? Do you really want to open this discussion of rent?
    Not sure if you win that argument if we start including Palestinian refugees and the rent that they haven't received.
    I'm talking about four buildings, owned by someone who bought it before Israel even existed. What are you on about?
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    Rent? Do you really want to open this discussion of rent?
    Not sure if you win that argument if we start including Palestinian refugees and the rent that they haven't received.
    I'm sure if we were talking about 1930s Germany, Theo would be asking why all those Jews were stealing so much from the good, neutral, decent Germans they lived among, to the point that the courts had to seize their unlawfully procured property and send them to work off their debts.

    Because, y'know, the Reich's courts ruled as such. And that's all that matters. According to Theo. Couldn't possibly be a human rights violation and ethnic cleansing. Nope. Just about property disputes.


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