Israel and Palestine Conflict Heats Up

[postman1782]

Israelis aren't Nazis and child murderers like you're claiming. It's like somebody has brainwashed you to have an irrational prejudice against Israelis.


I've studied Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank but if you think I'm ignorant of a relevant fact then just state the fact here and I'll read it.

The reality is that Israel has been improving their society with education, research and tech development, and they've been successfully growing their economy over the years. They don't need your approval and when y'all try to punish them all it does is drive Israelis away from the left. So keep it up because when you push them away from the left and socialism then you're just helping their society anyways.

Is that before or after they kill people by bombing the fuck out of them and then steal the Palestinian land?

[Machismo]

Israelis aren't Nazis and child murderers like you're claiming. It's like somebody has brainwashed you to have an irrational prejudice against Israelis.


I've studied Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank but if you think I'm ignorant of a relevant fact then just state the fact here and I'll read it.

The reality is that Israel has been improving their society with education, research and tech development, and they've been successfully growing their economy over the years. They don't need your approval and when y'all try to punish them all it does is drive Israelis away from the left. So keep it up because when you push them away from the left and socialism then you're just helping their society anyways.

The Israeli government is practicing apartheid and ethnic cleansing.

They are the Nazis in this equation.

It's like you always find yourself defending fascists.

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I'll make that question to whomever I want, So, can any Jewish person buy any land anywhere ever? And can they reasonably expect a rent check in and if they don't get it are they allowed to evict the person? Seems like a simple question.

Why do you support the murdering of children?

See, we'll wait for you to answer.

[Shadowferal]

I've studied Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank but if you think I'm ignorant of a relevant fact then just state the fact here and I'll read it.

Facts have been posted. You only deny them....like any loyal Trump supporter.

Your..."study" is likely from Bob Jones University.

[PC2]

Facts have been posted. You only deny them....like any loyal Trump supporter.

Your..."study" is likely from Bob Jones University.

Which facts are being denied? Maybe you're confusing facts with interpretations of facts. Who you see as the aggressor for this latest conflict depends on how you attribute blame and weigh all of the historical and contextual information. Which it's very easy to see how people disagree because there are many different ways to judge the situation and there is no method for figuring out which way is correct.

[Machismo]

Not surprised to see certain infamous members defend the child murdering apartheid regime of Israel.

It's the same people who always find themselves defending fascism and ethnic cleansing.

When a guy says he'd vote for Hitler, believe him.

[Mihalik]

Not surprised to see certain infamous members defend the child murdering apartheid regime of Israel.

Yet, moderation will hand out infractions and bans for calling them out.

Calling for ethnic cleansing. A-ok. Calling those who eagerly call for ethnic cleansing Nazis, infractions.

[PC2]

It's the same people who always find themselves defending fascism and ethnic cleansing.

When a guy says he'd vote for Hitler, believe him.

Nah, I don't support fascism, or ethnic cleansing, or Hitler. They are about initiating force in order to get what you want and killing people you don't like, which is unethical.

Israel and other countries shouldn't even exist as far as I'm concerned. But since there are people who want to initiate force against other people then we can't really get rid of all of this nonsense like nation states, borders, militaries, etc.

[Felya]

It's the same people who always find themselves defending fascism and ethnic cleansing.

When a guy says he'd vote for Hitler, believe him.

Theo is only pointing at the rhetoric... and the only reason hamas has been less success at killing children than they were prior to 2012, is because:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome

During the 2006 Second Lebanon War, approximately 4,000 Hezbollah-fired rockets (the great majority of which were short-range Katyusha rockets) landed in northern Israel, including on Haifa, the country's third largest city. The rocket barrage killed 44 Israeli civilians and caused some 250,000 Israeli citizens to evacuate and relocate to other parts of Israel while an estimated 1 million Israelis were confined in or near bomb shelters during the conflict.

To the south, more than 8,000 projectiles (estimated at 4,000 rockets and 4,000 mortar bombs) were fired indiscriminately into Israeli population centers from Gaza between 2000 and 2008, principally by Hamas. Almost all of the rockets fired were Qassams launched by 122 mm Grad launchers smuggled into the Gaza Strip, giving longer range than other launch methods. Nearly a million Israelis living in the south were within rocket range, posing a serious security threat to the country and its citizens.

[Machismo]

Nah, I don't support fascism, or ethnic cleansing, or Hitler. They are about initiating force in order to get what you want and killing people you don't like, which is unethical.

Israel and other countries shouldn't even exist as far as I'm concerned. But since there are people who want to initiate force against other people then we can't really get rid of all of this nonsense like nation states, borders, militaries, etc.

Nah, you're lying.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...outrage/page36

Keep defending ethnic cleansing, and proving me right.

[Felya]

Iron Dome Interceptors on the left and Hamas missiles on the right.

Yep, that’s the Iron Dome preventing those civilian homes from being hit...

[PC2]

Nah, you're lying.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...outrage/page36

Keep defending ethnic cleansing, and proving me right.

Machismo, you are being absurd and paranoid. I'm not lying and your link supports my point. I don't want mass murder, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. I want the opposite, which is peace and for all ethnicities to grow in population.

Also we should talk about ideas that relate to the topic and not about people.

[Felya]

Machismo, you are being absurd and paranoid. I'm not lying and your link supports my point. I don't want mass murder, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. I want the opposite, which is peace and for all ethnicities to grow in population.

He isn’t the only one... this is a very sensitive topic, that people need to travers very carefully... but, it seems that the jackhammer approach is more popular.

[Machismo]

Machismo, you are being absurd and paranoid. I'm not lying and your link supports my point. I don't want mass murder, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. I want the opposite, which is peace and for all ethnicities to grow in population.

Also we should talk about ideas that relate to the topic and not about people.

Nah, you got caught.

You chose to engage with me, and I provided evidence to show you're full of shit.

[Endus]

He isn’t the only one... this is a very sensitive topic, that people need to travers very carefully... but, it seems that the jackhammer approach is more popular.

It may be a sensitive topic, but that doesn't mean "this ethnic cleansing should be allowed to pass without outcry, because the perpetrators are Jews" is a defensible position.

Even if you disagree with Hamas' rocket attacks (and I do), it does not mean responding with proportionally greater force against Palestinian civilians is okay. Nor does it make attempting to push Israeli settlements into occupied territories okay.

[Theodarzna]

not to me you will. bye.

like, I cannot stress enough what a disingenuous POS you have to be to think this is a good argument.

Its a solid point. Nobody except I guess this entire threads commentate is suggesting these four buildings were purchased in some illegal way or via swindle or cheating. Unless we believe every single claim of property ownership by any Jewish person is illegitimate or illegal, in which case, the question stands? Can Jews own anything in that area?

Was the title for these four buildings acquired in an illegal way or via swindle? If not, then what is the issue with the building owner asking for rent payments and evicting someone for not paying? Especially after decades of asking them to make a payment? The only way this threads rather indignant and hyperbolic outrage makes sense is if we conclude that no Jewish person in the Middle East can own a title to property legitimately. Plus the courts cannot be claimed credibly to have had it out for the tenants, the tenants were granted a special protected status by the courts and the owner was forced into a lease agreement, and the owner complied. After decades of accommodation these families have refused to pay, what is the property owner supposed to do?

Ironically I'm accused of being genocidal or even a Nazi for suggesting that Jews should in fact legally be able to purchase plots of land, so should Arabs be able to, so should anyone ideally until such time as you know we have a different economic system. All my reading of Israeli land law doesn't indicate that this is not the case in law. Anyone of any category or identity can in fact purchase land that is for sale and sell land to anyone without legal censure.

What was this building owner supposed to do?

[Machismo]

Its a solid point. Nobody except I guess this entire threads commentate is suggesting these four buildings were purchased in some illegal way or via swindle or cheating. Unless we believe every single claim of property ownership by any Jewish person is illegitimate or illegal, in which case, the question stands? Can Jews own anything that area?

Was the title for these four buildings acquired in an illegal way or via swindle? If not, then what is the issue with the building owner asking for rent payments and evicting someone for not paying? Especially after decades of asking them to make a payment? The only way this threads rather indignant and hyperbolic outrage makes sense is if we conclude that no Jewish person in the Middle East can own a title to property legitimately. Plus the courts cannot be claimed credibly to have had it out for the tenants, the tenants were granted a special protected status by the courts and the owner was forced into a lease agreement, and the owner complied. After decades of accommodation these families have refused to pay, what is the property owner supposed to do?

Ironically I'm accused of being genocidal or even a Nazi for suggesting that Jews should in fact legally be able to purchase plots of land, so should Arabs be able to, so should anyone ideally until such time as you know we have a different economic system. All my reading of Israeli land law doesn't indicate that this is not the case in law. Anyone of any category or identity can in fact purchase land that is for sale and sell land to anyone without legal censure.

What was this building owner supposed to do?

It's not a slid point, it's you ignoring that kids are being shelled. This has nothing to do with most Israelis.
You're accused of shitposting for fascists and ethnic cleansing, which is exactly what you've been doing.

Here's a thought, stop defending the murder of children.

[Felya]

It may be a sensitive topic, but that doesn't mean "this ethnic cleansing should be allowed to pass without outcry, because the perpetrators are Jews" is a defensible position.

Yeah, how about you quote anyone saying that...

Even if you disagree with Hamas' rocket attacks (and I do), it does not mean responding with proportionally greater force against Palestinian civilians is okay. Nor does it make attempting to push Israeli settlements into occupied territories okay.

Maybe instead of building bombs, they should have built an Iron Dome, as Israel did after decades of murdered children.

[Endus]

Its a solid point. Nobody except I guess this entire threads commentate is suggesting these four buildings were purchased in some illegal way or via swindle or cheating. Unless we believe every single claim of property ownership by any Jewish person is illegitimate or illegal, in which case, the question stands? Can Jews own anything that area?

See, this is a horseshit argument.

It isn't about whether Jewish people can own property. It is about Israeli courts decreeing that these properties are owned by Jewish non-residents, with the purpose of exploiting and now removing their Palestinian residents. Which is a war crime.

It is not that Jewish people cannot buy property in the area, it's that Israelis cannot seize ownership of properties in the area, which is not part of Israel in the first place. It's occupied territory.

You keep glossing over that "occupied territory" part, which is pretty damned important.

Was the title for these four buildings acquired in an illegal way or via swindle?

Yes.

And before you cite Israeli courts, those courts are complicit in the seizure, despite it violating international law.

What was this building owner supposed to do?

Recognize that they lost title and ownership of the building decades back, if they even held it in 1948, which is a pretty big question.

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Yeah, how about you quote anyone saying that...

Theo is. Repeatedly throughout this thread. Just by way of example. You can check the post I responded to right up there for an example.

Maybe instead of building bombs, they should have built an Iron Dome, as Israel did after decades of murdered children.

Israel is directly responsible for more dead Palestinian children than the reverse, dude. I already cited the figures up-thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childr...inian_conflict

Just to provide another longer-scale source.

And right now in particular, Israel is killing more children than Hamas. And while I condemn both, basically no one here is defending Hamas or their rocket attacks. People are defending the Israeli kill counts as justified, however. Hence the weight of my responses aimed towards those individuals.

Killing children is not okay. 31 dead Palestinian children at Israeli hands in the last week alone.

[Felya]

Theo is. Repeatedly throughout this thread. Just by way of example. You can check the post I responded to right up there for an example.

I have... You think of all people, I’d be shy about shitting on Theo if I had the chance? Quote it...

Israel is directly responsible for more dead Palestinian children than the reverse, dude.

Oh... I didn’t realize that made it okay... I’m sorry that Israel built an Iron Dome to protect it self from decades of bombing, so hamas didn’t get to kill more children.

[Machismo]

I have... You think of all people, I’d be shy about shitting on Theo if I had the chance? Quote it...



Oh... I didn’t realize that made it okay... I’m sorry that Israel built an Iron Dome to protect it self from decades of bombing, so hamas didn’t get to kill more children.

Who is defending Hamas killing children?

She is defending Israel killing children.