What is worrying is that the difference this time around is that it is spreading and this is causing regular people to starting acting on it.
You have extreme right Jewish groups going out of their way to go after Arabs and vice versa. It is important to know that the Syria "ISIS" recruitment drive used a lot what is happening to the Palestinians years ago, this is great recruitment time for both sides.
There is no faith in the government there and with netanyahu need for power he has been increasing investing in extreme right movements to keep himself afloat, i have no idea who they are going to send over there to broker some sort of Peace effectively and even if they do in west bank (?) is that really going to stop all the violence that is happening elsewhere?
At least i am glad a more moderate person is in the white house, what means the US won't just blindly go and prop up that far right government in the kibbet.
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That region has been war torn for ten thousand years.
We have all these nukes that we need to get rid of, I say we turn the entire region into a wasteland and let the few irradiated mutants left over fight over the smoldering glass.
I'm so fucking sick of hearing about that shit hole. Constantinople didn't even go through this much war and savagery in its history.
"These people kill each other too much! I know, let's just kill them all before they can kill each other some more!"
Fuck off, scumbag.
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Can't really blame Israel for defending itself against terrorists.
I literally opened this thread saying that Hamas was in the wrong and repeated that a short while ago to try and forestall exactly this kind of horseshit.
The point is that if your response to terrorist attacks is to slaughter civilians and commit war crimes, you are not the good guys. You're not even the "better than they are" guys. Israel's government is creating more problems, and more unnecessary death, than Hamas is. That's simple data.
I also never suggested not "fighting back". Just not indiscriminate bombings that kill civilians. If you can't think of any other means but killing innocent people, you're part of the problem, because what you're doing is dehumanizing Palestinians to justify their slaughter, that they are of lesser value/importance than Israelis.
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Again, no one has a problem with the Iron Dome.
No one would raise concerns if an Israeli sniper took out a member of Hamas leadership, or IDF troops stormed in and took out a rocket launch site, in response to these attacks.
Concerns get raised when the response is to give Palestinian families literally moments to grab their shit and flee before air striking an entire multi-story building and turning it to rubble. Concerns get raised when said air strikes kill 16 children and more innocent civilians, and when that isn't even a new problem for Israeli responses, but just the continuation of their normal death tolls.
It's the same way we don't have a problem with you punching a guy who tries to punch you in the face. If you pull out your gun and shoot his wife and child in the face because he's hiding behind them, though, we're gonna have a fucking problem.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
Their militaries are different. However that's not the point, which is that only 1 side is using indiscriminate unguided weapons against cities. Also rich of Lavrov from Russia to complain. What would Russia do if Ukraine launched 1000 unguided missiles at Moscow lol. Did he forget barrel bombs from helicopters in Syria or just selective memory?
If Hamas uses rockets with at least enough accuracy to attack military targets, bases, etc. that's combat. Unguided rockets at cities is 100% terrorism. Their militaries having different tech levels doesn't give them a free pass to launch unguided missiles at civilian cities with schools, hospitals, day cares, etc. Using that very broken logic Israel should just cut defense spending way down, buy a bunch of cheap low-tech unguided Grads, and go to town against Khan Younis and that's ok.
Also, it's well-known that most of the weapons Hamas uses are from Iran directly or very assisted. An Israeli solider was killed by an Iranian ATGM from Hamas yesterday, absolutely not something that was built domestically in Gaza (even Iran had to copy the Kornet from Russia, it wasn't designed domestically even in Iran much less in Gaza). So that also throws that argument that terrorism is excusable 'because poor weapons' out the window when it's really Iranian weapons that Israel is fighting in most cases. If Iran had an anti-missile defense you'd see one magically 'domestically produced' by (ie built in Iran and flown to) Hamas before long.
The core issue really is still on Israel lighting the fire to all this in Jerusalem with the Sheikh Jarrah evictions. That ignited this which lead to the poorly thought out and terrible crackdown during prayers. All of that was wrong and caused the conflict to escalate into what it is now. Israeli courts can't be heavily siding on the Isreali side over Palestinians and let them take land at will with wacky interpretations by judges that they somehow own the land under Palestinian buildings. You have to get along with your neighbors even if you aren't friends. And this was the equivalent of taking a giant dump in your neighbor's yard, banging his wife, and then stealing his house. Of course justified Palestinian outrage was going to happen. This is a case where in a better world the UN would step-in, say wtf no Israel you can't do that to the Sheikh Jarrah evictions, and overrule it. But the UN being toothless has been a core issue for Palestinians for nearly a century.
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There is a 0% chance of anyone doing that. It ain't cheap, and I have a feeling Israel has enough ammunition to overwhelm it, anyway.
Plus, Iron Dome is of Israel design. They sure as hell ain't giving those away. The only other country to supply something like that, would be US. And US would rather give Israel it's own orbital death laser, than give anything to Palestine that isn't thoughts and prayers.
They've stopped it so far, otherwise I suspect this conflict would have been resolved in 67'.
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My suspicion is that they are out of missiles or running low on them and are probably facing a serious strategic route. All over like eight families who either are outright squatting, or just staying beyond an expired lease because they didn't want to pay rent to a guy based on his ethnicity.
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