1. #1701
    Any updates? This convo has stopped being useful 3 pages ago.

  2. #1702
    Honestly Israel should capture that Gaza and send all palestinians as refuges to nearby Arab countries.
    The whole idea of owning land is ridiculous. No country has a right to their land at all. if you can't defend your country, you're probably
    a backward corrupt shithole that oppresses its citizens. Israel in 60 years became 1st world country with countless innovations in health, science, agriculture that have helped quality of life and saved lives all around the world. While most Arab countries still live of oil and have no innovations due their oppressive regimes, corruptions and executing people who are not muslims or don't support their narrative.
    they live in semi-sharia law and want to make it full sharia law according to 80% Muslims

    The whole idea of a man coming into some land and declaring "I OWN THIS LAND" is ridiculous
    we don't own land, the land own us. And throughout the ages humans have been changing the imaginary borders back and forth
    at this point Israel got nukes so there's nothing that can be done. Palastinains can go fuck off. And literally every country will accept them as refugees at this point. I don't want nuclear war that turns into WW3 and destroy all life on earth
    so no you don't own anything nobody own anything it's just currently under your possession and if anything the land owns you not the other way around.

  3. #1703
    Imagine a country where a view like this one above is actually a legitimate political position shared by several people.
    Last edited by Cringefest; 2021-05-22 at 07:58 AM.

  4. #1704
    Quote Originally Posted by mich4el View Post
    Honestly Israel should capture that Gaza and send all palestinians as refuges to nearby Arab countries.
    The whole idea of owning land is ridiculous. No country has a right to their land at all. if you can't defend your country, you're probably
    a backward corrupt shithole that oppresses its citizens. Israel in 60 years became 1st world country with countless innovations in health, science, agriculture that have helped quality of life and saved lives all around the world. While most Arab countries still live of oil and have no innovations due their oppressive regimes, corruptions and executing people who are not muslims or don't support their narrative.
    they live in semi-sharia law and want to make it full sharia law according to 80% Muslims

    The whole idea of a man coming into some land and declaring "I OWN THIS LAND" is ridiculous
    we don't own land, the land own us. And throughout the ages humans have been changing the imaginary borders back and forth
    at this point Israel got nukes so there's nothing that can be done. Palastinains can go fuck off. And literally every country will accept them as refugees at this point. I don't want nuclear war that turns into WW3 and destroy all life on earth
    so no you don't own anything nobody own anything it's just currently under your possession and if anything the land owns you not the other way around.
    So, you are going to kick them off their land, land that has been theirs since the fucking Crusades? You know what that will make? MORE FUCKING TERRORISTS. If Israel uses nukes on anyone, I guarantee everyone in that area turns them to glass and the US stops backing them.

  5. #1705
    "During Israel’s latest offensive on Gaza, Israeli attacks damaged at least 51 education facilities, including 46 schools, two kindergartens, an UNRWA (The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East) training centre, and parts of the Islamic University of Gaza

    At least 66,000 people are still sheltering in 58 UN-run schools across the Gaza Strip.

    Israeli raids also damaged at least six hospitals and 11 primary healthcare centres, including Gaza’s only COVID-19 testing laboratory that was left inoperable following an Israeli attack that hit a nearby building on May 17.

    Gaza’s electricity network also suffered damage, leading to 20-21 hours of daily power outages. This has affected water and sanitation facilities across the strip, leaving at least 250,000 people without access to drinking water.

    (dem mudbricks though right?)

    this link
    shows how things are in terms of infrastructure needs across Gaza in detail.

    Also:

    Israel claimed its occupation of Gaza since 1967 has ended as it has pulled its troops and settlers from the territory but international law views Gaza as occupied territory because Israel has full control over Gaza’s borders, airspace and territorial waters.

  6. #1706
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    So, you are going to kick them off their land, land that has been theirs since the fucking Crusades? You know what that will make? MORE FUCKING TERRORISTS. If Israel uses nukes on anyone, I guarantee everyone in that area turns them to glass and the US stops backing them.
    completely missing my point. i'm saying if we reach a point where nukes are used then it's WW3 and probably with todays tech that's means the end of life on earth

  7. #1707
    Quote Originally Posted by mich4el View Post
    completely missing my point. i'm saying if we reach a point where nukes are used then it's WW3 and probably with todays tech that's means the end of life on earth
    Yeah that's a good point. I also have a good point to make. I found out that Jupiter is very important for our planet, because his gravity pull prevents asteroids reaching Earth. That could also mean end of life on Earth. Mad stuff what?

  8. #1708
    Quote Originally Posted by mich4el View Post
    Honestly Israel should capture that Gaza and send all palestinians as refuges to nearby Arab countries.
    The whole idea of owning land is ridiculous. No country has a right to their land at all. if you can't defend your country, you're probably
    a backward corrupt shithole that oppresses its citizens. Israel in 60 years became 1st world country with countless innovations in health, science, agriculture that have helped quality of life and saved lives all around the world. While most Arab countries still live of oil and have no innovations due their oppressive regimes, corruptions and executing people who are not muslims or don't support their narrative.
    they live in semi-sharia law and want to make it full sharia law according to 80% Muslims

    The whole idea of a man coming into some land and declaring "I OWN THIS LAND" is ridiculous
    we don't own land, the land own us. And throughout the ages humans have been changing the imaginary borders back and forth
    at this point Israel got nukes so there's nothing that can be done. Palastinains can go fuck off. And literally every country will accept them as refugees at this point. I don't want nuclear war that turns into WW3 and destroy all life on earth
    so no you don't own anything nobody own anything it's just currently under your possession and if anything the land owns you not the other way around.
    That's questionable when millions of people that you control are living in poverty.

  9. #1709
    Quote Originally Posted by Cringefest View Post
    Yeah that's a good point. I also have a good point to make. I found out that Jupiter is very important for our planet, because his gravity pull prevents asteroids reaching Earth. That could also mean end of life on Earth. Mad stuff what?
    This is a good reason to support Israel
    Israel can use Iron dome on asteroids to save the planet. Problem solved

  10. #1710
    Quote Originally Posted by mich4el View Post
    This is a good reason to support Israel
    Israel can use Iron dome on asteroids to save the planet. Problem solved
    It's not working that way.

    Now Arrow-3 - maybe. Definitely not Iron Dome.

  11. #1711
    Quote Originally Posted by mich4el View Post
    This is a good reason to support Israel
    Israel can use Iron dome on asteroids to save the planet. Problem solved
    I trust Jupiter more.

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    Yeah... So anyway...

    In relation to rebuilding:

    Palestinian officials on Friday said it would cost $100m to rebuild the damage to industry, power and agriculture in the already impoverished territory struggling under a devastating 14-year blockade.

  12. #1712
    Quote Originally Posted by Cringefest View Post
    Imagine a country where a view like this one above is actually a legitimate political position shared by several people.
    Innit. That’s some 10/10 propaganda he’s spouting. ‘Arab countries execute people who don’t follow their narrative’. Meanwhile, the Israeli Government is committing war crimes because they want to ethnically cleansed Arabs from land that the Israeli Government stole...

  13. #1713
    Imagine being pathetic enough to create burner accounts daily for years just because some guy on a gaming forum proved you wrong.

  14. #1714
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    Quote Originally Posted by mich4el View Post
    Honestly Israel should capture that Gaza and send all palestinians as refuges to nearby Arab countries.
    The whole idea of owning land is ridiculous. No country has a right to their land at all. if you can't defend your country, you're probably
    a backward corrupt shithole that oppresses its citizens. Israel in 60 years became 1st world country with countless innovations in health, science, agriculture that have helped quality of life and saved lives all around the world. While most Arab countries still live of oil and have no innovations due their oppressive regimes, corruptions and executing people who are not muslims or don't support their narrative.
    they live in semi-sharia law and want to make it full sharia law according to 80% Muslims

    The whole idea of a man coming into some land and declaring "I OWN THIS LAND" is ridiculous
    we don't own land, the land own us. And throughout the ages humans have been changing the imaginary borders back and forth
    at this point Israel got nukes so there's nothing that can be done. Palastinains can go fuck off. And literally every country will accept them as refugees at this point. I don't want nuclear war that turns into WW3 and destroy all life on earth
    so no you don't own anything nobody own anything it's just currently under your possession and if anything the land owns you not the other way around.
    Thats one way to excuse ethnic cleansing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    it’s mostly a syndicalist fantasy that “the workers” are going to rise up, which is disconnected from the fact that “the workers” are your racist uncle and jerk co-workers who you don’t like.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    The election has passed and 58 million working class Americans stood up and proved that they are in fact your racist uncle and jerk co-workers.
    They really can't help but show disdain for the working class.

  15. #1715
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    1. Israel Government's continuous behaviour breeds Hamas. I wonder how you justify the firing of bullets and gas into Al Aqsa mosque AFTER the ceasefire.

    2. Okay, in that case, here's a list of lands that need to be returned to their rightful natives: -
    - All of North America and South America needs to be returned.
    - All of Africa needs to be left to Africans. All lands need to be returned.
    - All of Australia, New Zealand and the surrounding Polynesian lands need to be returned.
    - All Caribbean islands need to be returned. That means evicting both the slaves who made the land home AND the colonialist descendants.

    3. Hint, Israel's Government and the Israelis people would never support the above because they'd lose their sweet sweet military funding.

    4. The support for the Israeli Government's behaviour is dwindling day on day. And in large droves. And why wouldn't it.

    1. Forcible transfers, forced evictions and demolitions
    2. Discrimination
    3. Unlawful killings and excessive use of force
    4. Restricting freedom of movement
    5. Arbitrary detention
    6. Unfair trials in favour of settlers
    7. Torture and other ill-treatment
    8. Freedoms of expression and association
    9. Refusing Rights of refugees, asylum-seekers and migrants
    I do not really agree with you. They breed each other nowadays. But when Fatah was in power in Gaza, two state solution was nearing, why did the Hamas had to kill them and expect Israel to be ok with it ?

    I think Hamas should do what it needs to be done to stop being seen as terrorists like the IRA did. They stepped down from the armed fight and went into politics.

  16. #1716
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    I do not really agree with you. They breed each other nowadays. But when Fatah was in power in Gaza, two state solution was nearing, why did the Hamas had to kill them and expect Israel to be ok with it ?

    I think Hamas should do what it needs to be done to stop being seen as terrorists like the IRA did. They stepped down from the armed fight and went into politics.
    Thanks for mentioning the IRA I forgot the three big returns of land that the Israeli Government needs to support
    - Give Scotland back to the Scottish
    - Give Northern Ireland back to the Irish
    - Give Wales back to the Welsh

    But we know that won't happen. You're right, though. Hamas should become a proper political party and then use political rhetoric to bomb their enemies...just like Netanyahu's Government. Then no one will complain about them doing what 'needs to be done', right?

  17. #1717
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    SNIP
    Everything is in that Wikipedia link I gave you not my fault you are at Trumpist levels of denial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    I do not really agree with you. They breed each other nowadays. But when Fatah was in power in Gaza, two state solution was nearing, why did the Hamas had to kill them and expect Israel to be ok with it ?

    I think Hamas should do what it needs to be done to stop being seen as terrorists like the IRA did. They stepped down from the armed fight and went into politics.
    Hamas won an election because of US-Israeli meddling in the process, they were democratically elected to power. I am not justifying the violence afterwards but they still continue to have the support of their people just like the terrorist organization known as the Israeli government. They are two sides of the same coin feeding off each other using different means to justify what they do.

  18. #1718
    Is it ok to say that both sides have legit grievances and both sides have done bad things?
    "When Facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." - Unknown

  19. #1719
    Quote Originally Posted by IKKBBE View Post
    Democratically elected or not, they transpired to be a terrorist group.

    Internationally recognised as terrorists by other international governments.

    The people of Israel are nowhere near stooping to the low levels of shitness that Hamas have turned out to be.

    If only one group survived, its plain to see the world would be a better place with the people of Israel belonging to it rather than Hamas and sunni Muslims.
    You act like its only Hamas vs Israel. It's not. Its Hamas vs. Israel but with the Palestine people caught in the middle. Every time those people are caught in the middle, it fuels Hamas action which fuels Israel action.
    "When Facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." - Unknown

  20. #1720
    Quote Originally Posted by IKKBBE View Post
    Democratically elected or not, they transpired to be a terrorist group. Internationally recognised as terrorists by other international governments.
    Funny how international governments also see Israel in exactly the same way.

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