Israel and Palestine Conflict Heats Up

[Pendragon]

Yeah, I think any extreme nationalist that takes part in ethnic cleansing is fascist. Sorry that reality hurts your feelings so much.
Always the problem with fascism, every policy is just based on 'feelings'.

Hardly ethnic cleansing. Hurt feelings? You're clearly projecting yet again. No hurt feelings here, just facts. I'm happily living in reality and accepting it. Nothing you say, think, or feel can change reality...but of course that won't stop you delusional lot from trying

[Theodarzna]

No it's always been about the original sin of the British and religion. All these flare ups are just excuses to kill each other.

I mean maybe, but we can discuss this specific incident and its genesis and comment on it. Because i think it is telling that by ignoring the specifics here things get incredibly twisted and it ends up making some people look cartoonishly evil, and others look unjustly saintly and innocent.

[Easo]

So, dear posters, why is no one talking about what is happening in the Israel itself? The Arab vs Jew clashes are quite widespread. Oh, there will be "funny" moments when the dust settles and everyone goes home, but I better not mention those.

If they went in with sufficient care to not shoot at anyone who wasn't a combatant? Yep.

Do I think IDF forces would actually show that kind of restraint? Nope; they've demonstrated wild amounts of racism and brutality time and time again.

Also, cute trying to call my numbers "Hamas lies", when I'm pulling them from the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.

Even an absolute amateur, armchair general and a dilettante in everything related to military would understand just how wrong you are. You really have no idea what you are even saying. Not to mention that it would be criminally punishable for giving such orders. Oh, I can imagine it, guys with rifles against heavy machine guns, RPG's, ATGMs (works well against humans, btw), IED's, mines, mortars, etc. I weep for you, Endus.

IIRC data they get are directly from Gaza health ministry. The same one with Hamas in charge of it.

This sociopathic way of thinking demonstrates exactly why the United States should stop funding and providing their weapons to Israel. Bloodthirsty maniacs with small dick syndrome murder civilians and then brag about how superior they are to the people they're brutalizing.

As if Israel would not live without that. They did before.

ISIS was a problem for other muslims.

OH, that is a big can of worms. I saw a saying that "Sunni's will fight against the Israel to the last drop of Shia blood". Should be pretty telling. You can also do some vice versa on it to get the opposite. There are a lot of players in the region who have common enemies, but also conflicting goals. It is a free for all, in a sense.

[Draco-Onis]

I mean maybe, but we can discuss this specific incident and its genesis and comment on it. Because i think it is telling that by ignoring the specifics here things get incredibly twisted and it ends up making some people look cartoonishly evil, and others look unjustly saintly and innocent.

I never said any of that there's no shortage of blame to go around. I am pointing out that this will never be over. This is what happens when you deal with religious wars.

[Felya]

Hurt feelings? You're clearly projecting yet again. No hurt feelings here, just facts. I'm happily living in reality and accepting it. Nothing you say, think, or feel can change reality...but of course that won't stop you delusional lot from trying

When did measuring noses and obsessing over skull shapes, is just facts? Fascist are wholly dependent on feelings...

[Draco-Onis]

ISIS was a problem for other muslims.

I am saying these situations only create more extremists you can call it ISIS 2.0 if you want to be pedantic.

[Theodarzna]

I never said any of that there's no shortage of blame to go around. I am pointing out that this will never be over. This is what happens when you deal with religious wars.

I think it is part of that. Then again the UAE, Saudi's, Egypt, and even Jordan have all have treaties and alliances with Israel to one degree or another. So a lot of that dimension has declined.

[Felya]

I never said any of that there's no shortage of blame to go around. I am pointing out that this will never be over. This is what happens when you deal with religious wars.

But, it was... In a way, to me, the way Israel was formed, followed by the oil race, the goal was for there to be conflict. There wasn’t a single muslim representative, while Stalin’s involvement and antisemetic history should put the entire process under scrutiny, during creation of Israel. It was outside forces, telling sovereign nations their land is not theirs.

Religion is an obvious scape goat, but there is a lot of underlining foreign interference that drives the conflict. There is a reason hamas chose Russia to deliver their ceasefire...

[Draco-Onis]

I think it is part of that. Then again the UAE, Saudi's, Egypt, and even Jordan have all have treaties and alliances with Israel to one degree or another. So a lot of that dimension has declined.

But they are only together because of Iran, there is no love for Israel anywhere in the middle east. They will turn on each other the second they think Iran is no longer a threat.

Israel has spent decades showing they hate everyone not Israeli the population hates them in kind.

[PC2]

I never said any of that there's no shortage of blame to go around. I am pointing out that this will never be over. This is what happens when you deal with religious wars.

Bah, it will be over eventually. Religion, race, and nations are current ideas and problems but eventually they'll fade away and people will re-organize around entirely new issues.

[krogy]

Hats off to Bibi, Hamas just did him a solid while he was struggling to keep in power and avoid corruption charges. Dude's the luckiest man in politics. The Gods themselves are working to keep him around. Wild levels of luck that guy has.

Our joke here is that when everything was lost he called hamas and told them to attack us and he will pay them later(which will most likely happen).

[Theodarzna]

But they are only together because of Iran, there is no love for Israel anywhere in the middle east. They will turn on each other the second they think Iran is no longer a threat.

Israel has spent decades showing they hate everyone not Israeli the population hates them in kind.

Alliances work like that. America was good friends with Qaddafi in the mid-00's before we called for his death. Turkey was was at odds with Russia, now asks to link up with Russia to intervene to defend Hamas.

[Draco-Onis]

Bah, it will be over eventually. Religion, race, and nations are current ideas and problems but eventually they'll fade away and people will re-organize around entirely new issues.

Okay buddy let's deal with things that won't happen in a thousand plus years.

[Endus]

That is not possible. This is war in a densly populated area. Still im wating what your excuse is to defend the palestenians who are commiting war crimes every single day by delibertly targeting civilians with their reocket attacks.

You'll be waiting a long time, because you're drawing a false dichotomy to try and skip over having to defend yourself on the merits. I've been clear all along that the rocket attacks by Hamas are unjustifiable.

That doesn't make Israel's responses automatically justifed, which is where you trip up.

Even an absolute amateur, armchair general and a dilettante in everything related to military would understand just how wrong you are. You really have no idea what you are even saying.

I just operate from a stance where civilian casualties aren't acceptable, and work forward from there.

If that means military action is not feasible, that does not mean civilian casualties are acceptable. It means military action is not feasible.

You're never going to convince me that there's an acceptable rate of civilian deaths, or that the collateral damage from Israel's attacks come anywhere close to such a margin.

Not to mention that it would be criminally punishable for giving such orders. Oh, I can imagine it, guys with rifles against heavy machine guns, RPG's, ATGMs (works well against humans, btw), IED's, mines, mortars, etc. I weep for you, Endus.

All you're really explaining is that you don't consider the effort worth risking IDF soldiers' lives.

You are willing to risk Palestinian civilian lives, however.

That's what I'm driving at. Which should be pretty damned clear.

IIRC data they get are directly from Gaza health ministry. The same one with Hamas in charge of it.

You could've just checked the source to confirm that you're wrong, but you clearly didn't even make the effort. Why check the facts when you can just flagrantly make up bullshit?

[Draco-Onis]

Alliances work like that. America was good friends with Qaddafi in the mid-00's before we called for his death. Turkey was was at odds with Russia, now asks to link up with Russia to intervene to defend Hamas.

Israel shit the bed a long time ago instead of building alliances they have always been bullies. Everyone will eventually have nukes pointed at one another. The second Israel got theirs it became inevitable.

[Theodarzna]

Our joke here is that when everything was lost he called hamas and told them to attack us and he will pay them later(which will most likely happen).

A nice gift basket is in order.

[DKjaigen]

But they are only together because of Iran, there is no love for Israel anywhere in the middle east. They will turn on each other the second they think Iran is no longer a threat.

Israel has spent decades showing they hate everyone not Israeli the population hates them in kind.

The other countries could do the sensible thing and just ignore Isreal

[Draco-Onis]

The other countries could do the sensible thing and just ignore Isreal

Would you ignore someone with nukes who hates you? That's like saying why doesn't the US be sensible and ignore China.

[Felya]

Israel shit the bed a long time ago instead of building alliances they have always been bullies. Everyone will eventually have nukes pointed at one another. The second Israel got theirs it became inevitable.

How does this yellow line, bully everything around them?

[Draco-Onis]

How does this yellow line, bully everything around them?

What does the line have to do with the nukes and foreign policy?