Israel and Palestine Conflict Heats Up

[uuuhname]

Palestinian school girls run crying after Israeli occupation forces fired teargas canisters towards at least 8 kindergartens and
@UNRWA schools in the southern area of occupied Hebron, in the West Bank earlier today.

my guess is Hamas must have been hiding in the school..../s

[JohnBrown1917]

Those kids where clearly hamas.

[JohnBrown1917]

https://mobile.twitter.com/nirhasson...I-ij3bCinpJdOk


Just the Israeli army attacking activists for no reason again.

[Easo]

https://mobile.twitter.com/nirhasson...I-ij3bCinpJdOk


Just the Israeli army attacking activists for no reason again.

Is there a full video?

[tehdang]

Is there a full video?

Based on that short video, I'm going to presume it refers to this incident:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-of...-with-censure/
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/id...n-hills-679758

It appears there is no fuller video.

IDF alleges attacks and attempted attacks prior to this. There is criticism that the responsible party was let off with just military censure. The military investigation decided that the use of tear gas and stun grenades was unwarranted.

Activists were preventing residents from entering and leaving their community, according to residents. The IDF investigation also claims that protestors refused to clear a traffic lane for settlers after being told verbally to disperse. There are accounts from activists denying they were blocking the road, or engaging in any violence, and residents saying they were stuck behind the protest unable to pass, and the weekly protests make them feel unsafe to leave their homes.

Biggest problem is all the videos show just resulting action, and incredibly little before or during.

[Elegiac]

IDF alleges

They do that a lot.

Better question is why y'all believe them, rofl.

[JohnBrown1917]

They do that a lot.

Better question is why y'all believe them, rofl.

Either because they agree with them killing/suppressing Palestinians or because of the whole christian doomsday cult shit.

[Easo]

Biggest problem is all the videos show just resulting action, and incredibly little before or during.

And that is the core of the problem, always have to have the full picture.

[Elegiac]

And that is the core of the problem, always have to have the full picture.

Lemme know when you start doing this as opposed to immediately accepting what the IDF alleges as fact. Rofl.

[Easo]

Lemme know when you start doing this as opposed to immediately accepting what the IDF alleges as fact. Rofl.

Oh shut it. When you post things like these you have little grounds to argue, because you have already decided who is at fault without seeing everything.

They do that a lot.

Better question is why y'all believe them, rofl.

[Elegiac]

Oh shut it. When you post things like these you have little grounds to argue, because you have already decided who is at fault without seeing everything.

This takes me back to people bitching at me for not giving the South African government the benefit of the doubt. Lul.

[shimerra]

Oh shut it. When you post things like these you have little grounds to argue, because you have already decided who is at fault without seeing everything.

He has plenty of grounds. Considering the IDF's willingness to mislead/lie about these things and your tendency to bootlick/excuse their wrong doing. An Israeli could kick a Palestinian child's puppy and you'd blame the child because it wasn't on a leash.

Waiting for sufficient evidence is always a good thing. But the problem is with apologists like you is that no matter how much evidence there is there's always one more piece that we need to wait for before we're allowed to form a negative opinion.

This takes me back to people bitching at me for not giving the South African government the benefit of the doubt. Lul.

Or the dozens of other times he's said the same thing about the IDF. And then we got the evidence and he still blames the Palestinians after the IDF is shown to be lieing or at fault.

[Elegiac]

Or the dozens of other times he's said the same thing about the IDF. And then we got the evidence and he still blames the Palestinians after the IDF is shown to be lieing or at fault.

You know the other telling thing? I can't actually recall a single person on this forum who advocates for more humane treatment of Palestinians try to justify Hamas' attacks or even support Hamas' existence. Compare to most if not all the people shilling for Israel who absolutely go out of their way to not only justify Israel's attacks on Palestine as necessary but also an eminent good.

It's very telling as to which side is actually concerned about the human cost and which side is simply using the human cost as a cudgel to push the Islamophobia that's become highly fashionable in Europe lately.

[Easo]

Ya'all are just the paragons of objectivity, I'm sure
P.S.
And now it is Islamophobia. So predictable...

[uuuhname]

Ya'all are just the paragons of objectivity, I'm sure
P.S.
And now it is Islamophobia. So predictable...

is this you showing us your belly? in that you can't actually refute what people are saying but you have to make a show of it anyway?

and yeah, that's pretty much the only competent of this discussion that decides whose lives are worth more than others, religious affiliation.

every single Israeli killed is a tragedy.

dozens of Palestinian's killed is a statistic.

[Elegiac]

Ya'all are just the paragons of objectivity, I'm sure

Congratulations on refuting something no one claimed. *slow clap*

P.S.
And now it is Islamophobia. So predictable...

Gee, maybe it's because the attitudes towards Palestinians in this thread are very clearly colored by bias, as evidenced by excusing Israel's acts of violence but not Hamas' as well as your constant conflation of Hamas with the Palestinian population at large to justify Israeli reprisal against civilians.

You know, just like American racists like to conflate every Mexican with the cartels to justify brutalizing immigrants and asylum seekers. Check yourself.

[Easo]

Elegiac has forgotten that Hamas did win the election back then, that they still have high support according to polls, enough to threaten PA position. It does not work like that, Elegiac. There are more than one or two Palestinians, who like Hamas actions. More than few thousand. More than hundred thousand (incoming screams asking for proof). Pretending that it is not true means choosing to be blind. No shit Abbas wants to delay elections as much as possible.

[Orange Joe]

Oh shut it. When you post things like these you have little grounds to argue, because you have already decided who is at fault without seeing everything.

Unlike you who is the poster child of unbiased right?

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Elegiac has forgotten that Hamas did win the election back then, that they still have high support according to polls, enough to threaten PA position. It does not work like that, Elegiac. There are more than one or two Palestinians, who like Hamas actions. More than few thousand. More than hundred thousand (incoming screams asking for proof). Pretending that it is not true means choosing to be blind. No shit Abbas wants to delay elections as much as possible.

When you treat a people like shit they tend to eventually fight back.


You can see the same thing happening here in America with minorities.

[Elegiac]

Elegiac has forgotten that Hamas did win the election back then

Just like you've forgotten this still doesn't make conflation of the two to justify civilian causalities either factual or acceptable in the same way conflating Americans with Biden or all Chinese with Winnie the Flu is neither factual nor acceptable.

Moreover, it's just you lot doing it, too: nobody's conflating Israel as a state with the entirety of its citizen body to justify Hamas attacks on civilians, nor are they conflating Israel with all Jewish people. (Except, ironically, the pro-Israel folks who insist criticizing Israel is a form of antisemitism).

[Easo]

When you treat a people like shit they tend to eventually fight back.

Fantastic. Simply fantastic. Something something about time being a flat circle.