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  1. #241
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrollHunter3000 View Post
    Uhh okay? You realize you're just proving yourself wrong, right? You seem to be confused about the name "Activision Blizzard". Blizzard entertaining is a subsidiary of activision blizzard. What's so hard for you to understand?
    Yes Blizzard is a subsidiary of Activsion blizzard that's what I said, Thank you for agreeing with me.
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    The parent company is Activison blizzard

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    I think people forget they're intended to be premium services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laz View Post
    Price reduced to $15 dollars today, the arguing can stop…
    Cheers!
    The arguing never stops. Now there's people arguing it should be free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacewalrus2010 View Post
    The arguing never stops. Now there's people arguing it should be free.
    Yeah that was honestly wishful thinking that the conversation would stop there - even if it was free, there would be many complaining about it being free - there is absolutely no win here.
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    you have to be a moron to of said .

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    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    Its a shame they caved to the outrage....this service shouldnt be 15 or 35,it should either not exist,or cost ATLEAST 60e

    people dont seem to understand,that they are basicaly BUYING a fully geared bis character in many ways with this,it should be way more than a normal boost
    a fully geared BIS lvl 60 who will replace all those epics with green gear in 3 levels... are you stupid or something or just dishonest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laz View Post
    Price reduced to $15 dollars today, the arguing can stop…
    Cheers!
    Did u stop and think if they had plans for it to be 15usd all along, but wanted to see how far they could push stuff while people still defending them?

    Also, it could also be good old "soften the blow"-tactic, hit us hard with the 35, then lower it to 15 so some people are okay with it cause its less than the "original" orice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Yes Blizzard is a subsidiary of Activsion blizzard that's what I said, Thank you for agreeing with me.
    And you think they can't control blizzard? You seem confused about what your argument is

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrollHunter3000 View Post
    And you think they can't control blizzard? You seem confused about what your argument is
    Nope never said that. one of us seems to be confused but it ain't me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prag View Post
    Play your 60 on Classic era: Free
    Play your 60 on TBC Classic: Free
    Play your 60 on both: $15
    Ah, okay. I do not think this is a big issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prag View Post
    Your lack of technical understanding in what’s involved in running these scripts at scale makes your attempt at correcting that poster worthless. You’re the WoW version of Karen the Anti-Vaxxer.

    Tip: it ain’t a copy paste. It’s not at all like duplicating a file on your computer. Upload a file to an Azure server and see if they don’t charge you to duplicate it.

    Is $35 a fair price? Probably not. A few bucks would cover the costs and margin.
    The cost to operate such a service, if there even is one, is likely completely negligible. Not to mention they already offer what essentially amounts to the same thing with their PTR, no charge involved. Not to mention you already pay a monthly premium just for access to their servers, so the expectation for such services to be included is completely reasonable.

    Data storage is very cheap, and can be made cheaper through archival practices for inactive accounts. And players can make new characters on the TBC realm while keeping their old ones on classic, so it's unlikely this charge significantly reduces the number of characters being stored anyways.

    Even if it did, charging money as a limiting factor is still poorly justified given they could easily put other limitations in places.

    This really just boils down to padding executive bonuses and pleasing share holders. But if you're satisfied being hoisted with exuberant prices and extra charges for such a reason, then there's not much more I can say.

    It's good that they reduced it, 15 dollars is at least a lot more reasonable. But the fact that they were able to normalizes this practice in the first place is pretty wild.

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    I followed a discussion almost exactly like this one over the Mystic Runesaber back in WoD. Now that expansion ACTUALLY lost a huge amount of players, yet there's people here (no doubt listening to Youtubers) claiming that SL is worse off? Even after the latest Quarterly and shit?

    Puhlease. People saying "it should be free!!" are like the people I used to deal with running a doggy daycare. "ALL YOU DO IS WALK, WHY DO YOU CHARGE FOR IT????"

    Idiots are a blight. ENTITLED ones, are worse.


    Quote: Shadowlands continues to drive strong results following its record-setting release in November, with first quarter franchise net bookings growing sharply.

    Yeah, it's performing miserably, and that's why an optional copy feature between 2 Classic versions should be free. Gtfo.

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    The arguing never stops. Now there's people arguing it should be free.
    Indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEORACLE64 View Post
    I think people forget they're intended to be premium services.
    Well it's supposed to be a premium game, that's why we pay a subscription to play it.

    Are there any other premium games out there that charge premium service charges aswell? Serious question since I don't play other games any more, grew out of gaming years ago, all other games bore me after 30 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZazuuPriest View Post
    a fully geared BIS lvl 60 who will replace all those epics with green gear in 3 levels... are you stupid or something or just dishonest?
    the irony of calling me stupid lol,they keep that character in VANILA...plus advance in tbc,they arent replacing it in vanila with anything

    also no1 is replacing bis naxx gear in 3 lvls kiddo,they last well in to raiding
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  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by Arewn View Post
    The cost to operate such a service, if there even is one, is likely completely negligible. Not to mention they already offer what essentially amounts to the same thing with their PTR, no charge involved. Not to mention you already pay a monthly premium just for access to their servers, so the expectation for such services to be included is completely reasonable.

    Data storage is very cheap, and can be made cheaper through archival practices for inactive accounts. And players can make new characters on the TBC realm while keeping their old ones on classic, so it's unlikely this charge significantly reduces the number of characters being stored anyways.
    Since don’t know anything about their infrastructure, it’s all just speculation. I’m going off my professional experience, and for our dev environment alone, we run tens of thousands of dollars a month in AWS charges, and that’s fairly optimized.

    Even if it did, charging money as a limiting factor is still poorly justified given they could easily put other limitations in places.
    I don’t know how they could have limited it beyond the characters-per-server/account/region restrictions already in place.

    This really just boils down to padding executive bonuses and pleasing share holders. But if you're satisfied being hoisted with exuberant prices and extra charges for such a reason, then there's not much more I can say.

    It's good that they reduced it, 15 dollars is at least a lot more reasonable. But the fact that they were able to normalizes this practice in the first place is pretty wild.
    Of course it is. That’s part of the reason I wouldn’t have paid for the service, but I also don’t want to stick around in Classic, so I’m not really the target audience, even if it were free.

    I’m happy that the services they’ve offered have made it possible to keep the sub price the same for nearly 15 years and they still allow me to use my retail gold to pay for my subscription.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEORACLE64 View Post
    I think people forget they're intended to be premium services.
    Not even the point. The cost was more than what it should have been from the start. even $15 to "clone" an account is stupid $10 or $5 at best. It's not like they have not been doing this stuff for years already. Blizzard has been greedy for a long time now and let us real they need good faith with the community after shadowlands and the delay (covid-19 or not) no one could have seen it coming but this is not the way to gain back good faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cidic View Post
    Not even the point. The cost was more than what it should have been from the start. even $15 to "clone" an account is stupid $10 or $5 at best. It's not like they have not been doing this stuff for years already. Blizzard has been greedy for a long time now and let us real they need good faith with the community after shadowlands and the delay (covid-19 or not) no one could have seen it coming but this is not the way to gain back good faith.
    Exactly. It's just the character copy feature that we have had in the test realms for years. Surely this costs them nothing.
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  17. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    It's really weird. The need to not copy the character completely is fair enough, but surely transferring a character once should be allowed for free.
    The fee is for those that want the character to stay on the classic server as well as being cloned onto a BC server. It is free if you pick one or the other. You pay if you want to have it both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cidic View Post
    Not even the point. The cost was more than what it should have been from the start. even $15 to "clone" an account is stupid $10 or $5 at best. It's not like they have not been doing this stuff for years already. Blizzard has been greedy for a long time now and let us real they need good faith with the community after shadowlands and the delay (covid-19 or not) no one could have seen it coming but this is not the way to gain back good faith.
    They are charging what they think people are willing to pay and they want to get some return on a game they are giving away. If the price is too high don't pay it. If you want the service, than you need to come to terms with the fee. If you can't level up the old way or say good bye to classic on some characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prag View Post
    Since don’t know anything about their infrastructure, it’s all just speculation. I’m going off my professional experience, and for our dev environment alone, we run tens of thousands of dollars a month in AWS charges, and that’s fairly optimized.



    I don’t know how they could have limited it beyond the characters-per-server/account/region restrictions already in place.



    Of course it is. That’s part of the reason I wouldn’t have paid for the service, but I also don’t want to stick around in Classic, so I’m not really the target audience, even if it were free.

    I’m happy that the services they’ve offered have made it possible to keep the sub price the same for nearly 15 years and they still allow me to use my retail gold to pay for my subscription.
    Kind of at risk of entering an internet pissing contest over unproveable credentials here, but I'm also going off my professional experience in I.T. with these considerations. And we do have some insight into their infrastructure and costs. As mentioned before, at the very least we know they have no problem offering what is essentially a cloning service for their PTR for free.
    And, as you mentioned, many of us have an idea of how much these kinds of systems tend to cost based on professional experience. I don't see any compelling reason to assume Blizzard is for some reason way out of line in their costs.
    Lets be real here, an automated character copying services isn't something that is going to cost them much to developed or maintain.
    Even if we were to compare the operating costs of your dev environment to.... a single transferring service (not really a fair comparison, but eh), that's still something that would be covered by two or three thousand subscribers.

    There's a lot of ways to restrict it, not much point hashing that out now though since they obviously aren't going to do it. My preferred method would be an initial limit of 2 clones, and then additional clones/interval beyond that. Like one clone per month, or quarterly. This isn't a difficult problem to come up with ideas for.

    Tech has advanced and hosting has become cheaper, plus wages have been stagnant... so of course there's no reason for the sub to increase. I don't think the sub staying at 15 dollars has anything to do with the addition of paid services.

  19. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by ZazuuPriest View Post
    a fully geared BIS lvl 60 who will replace all those epics with green gear in 3 levels... are you stupid or something or just dishonest?
    T3 is going to last through the first wave of raids at the very least. Even if you are not fully kitted out in bis gear as you sugguested you would be hard pressed to replace much if any gear prior to stepping into T5 content and when you did it would be a trinket or weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEORACLE64 View Post
    I think people forget they're intended to be premium services.
    It's not forget it's more ignore.

    End of the day this is kinda a luxury extra service. Blizz knows there's a chunk who wanna stay on Evergreen Vanilla, a bigger chunk that's going to move to BC, and a smaller minority who's interested in both whether to play both or just have their vanilla 60 as a museum piece . $35 was steep but at the end of the day it's extra

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