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    Red face "Sorry we are closed nobody wants to work here anymore due to government handouts"

    https://twitter.com/search?q=%22WE%2...ertical=trends

    Been seeing stuff like this for a couple of weeks now and honestly, I love it so much. All throughout the pandemic people told minimum wage workers to find better opportunities. Whether they got a better paying job or live off of unemployment, it's great seeing businesses suffer because they wont pay. If your employees would rather live off a measly unemployment check than work, that's 100% on you. My current job loves to complain they cant find anyone to work but they pay $8/hour, nobody can survive off that!! The stores in our area pay more than that for more benefits and more freedom.

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    Rather narrow minded view... small businesses forced to close, meanwhile monolithic companies like Amazon grow furthermore.

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    Sorry we are closed, the LA City Council wanted us to pay our essential workers more and we would rather shutter than do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daedius View Post
    Rather narrow minded view... small businesses forced to close, meanwhile monolithic companies like Amazon grow furthermore.
    Small businesses aren't inherently better you know?

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    I find that people often oversimplify this sort of discussion. There are multiple elements in play here rather than just poor pay for unwanted work.

    Economic reality is that they could not pay more, but i also find the system of things like "tipping" not as a bonus but as necessity for decent pay to be absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    I find that people often oversimplify this sort of discussion. There are multiple elements in play here rather than just poor pay for unwanted work.

    Economic reality is that they could not pay more, but i also find the system of things like "tipping" not as a bonus but as necessity for decent pay to be absurd.
    if someone told me i was getting paid $2 dollars an hour plus tips id kick their head in, and it would be morally right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daedius View Post
    Rather narrow minded view... small businesses forced to close, meanwhile monolithic companies like Amazon grow furthermore.
    Well to stop amazon laws need to be made or enacted upon to break up monopolies.
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    no, people have woken up to the fact they rather not work for slave wages. I mean, of course the company is going to say this crap... doesn't mean they're right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    if someone told me i was getting paid $2 dollars an hour plus tips id kick their head in, and it would be morally right.
    2 dollars? That's not something i would expect in a rich and modern nation in this day, i mean 10 even feels low.
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    People are expected to work to much of their lives away in the first place especially in NA, I am glad we are looking at a form of UBI in Canada then I will actually be able to not worry about income and do something I actually want to do for a living and make a bunch of money from it, then retire in a self sufficient home and no longer need UBI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    2 dollars? That's not something i would expect in a rich and modern nation in this day, i mean 10 even feels low.
    It’s an exaggeration. The reality is $2.13 and if your tips don’t cover it you get $7.25 to be abused and harassed.

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    Nobody has a right to own a successful business, it's something that is worked for.

    If you don't pay your employees enough to entice anyone to work for you, you need to raise your wages. If you can't afford to raise your wages, you need to raise your prices. If nobody will buy your product at the new prices, then there isn't enough demand for your product to justify your business' existence.

    If the problem is that large monopolies have insurmountable advantages that make any form of competition with them impossible, that's another problem entirely, but don't blame your current or potential employees for that. The 'government handouts' that are hurting you aren't the ones that allow families to eat, they're the corporate welfare that goes out to the biggest and richest companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewOU2015 View Post
    https://twitter.com/search?q=%22WE%2...ertical=trends

    Been seeing stuff like this for a couple of weeks now and honestly, I love it so much. All throughout the pandemic people told minimum wage workers to find better opportunities. Whether they got a better paying job or live off of unemployment, it's great seeing businesses suffer because they wont pay. If your employees would rather live off a measly unemployment check than work, that's 100% on you. My current job loves to complain they cant find anyone to work but they pay $8/hour, nobody can survive off that!! The stores in our area pay more than that for more benefits and more freedom.
    No tears for the companies that cannot pay good wages.

    However, it may in part be due to to different stimulus in the US compared to Europe.

    It seems that in Europe there more support to keep companies healthy including the ability to keep employees possibly with paid partial leave, whereas the US had more direct stimulus checks to persons (yes, there were loans to small businesses, but they seem to have been oversubscribed and the forgiving of the loans seemed a bit messy).

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    We are seeing employees post notes on the front of closed businesses due to poor worker treatment and pay more often than small businesses doing the same. There are far more social media posts and topics of discussion on the worker's side, as it should be, than the employers of either small or corporate-owned businesses.

    Any employer unable to pay its workers a living wage is unworthy of respect. They should be closed.

    For example, the tone is fairly pro-worker overall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daedius View Post
    Rather narrow minded view... small businesses forced to close, meanwhile monolithic companies like Amazon grow furthermore.
    A lot of us support something like a UBI, so if people can't get a job, they can still live in a modicum of comfort. Working should be optional, not an obligation you're forced into under duress. Which it is, short of something like a UBI.

    If a small business can't survive without exploiting its staff, it shouldn't exist as a business, because it's business model is garbage. The same goes for large businesses. Smaller businesses have to provide something to give people a reason to shop there over the big name stores, and "they're local" is not really a reason. Give me better, more personal service. Give me access to unique items I can't find on Amazon or at Wal-Mart. if you're running a general store and it's just got poorer variety, higher prices, and disinterested service, I'll take my business to the big-box store where at least I get better selection and lower prices.

    Getting super tired of the "we have to exploit our staff and provide a shitty product, but you should give us your business anyway!" attitudes in some small businesses. Give me a store with staff who love working there because you pay them really well, and you'll get my business (once the pandemic's over). You were already getting my business (before the pandemic).


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    Worst of all are the bootlickers arguing against having their wages raised for fear of being sacked. That's some real psychological trauma/Stockholm shit.

    Bruh. A hamburger isn't going to cost $50 at Wendy's because you are making $3 more per hour. Don't be a spineless worm.
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    Good. Pay your staff more or have fun going outta business. People have had enough with slave wages.
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    If they're so "essential" to the functioning of our society, maybe, and call me crazy...

    we should pay them enough to live? Those crazy liberals have been calling it something, a "living wage."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    2 dollars? That's not something i would expect in a rich and modern nation in this day, i mean 10 even feels low.
    Restaurant employers have to make up the difference so that employees are getting the federal minimum wage of $7.25 (which hasn’t been raised since 2009) but aren’t always required to give them the state minimum wage.

    So, for example, a waiter working in Boston, MA could get paid the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour, when the state minimum wage is $13.50.

    And even if they do get the state minimum wage, it’s often not enough to survive on, especially if they’re living in a city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    I find that people often oversimplify this sort of discussion. There are multiple elements in play here rather than just poor pay for unwanted work.

    Economic reality is that they could not pay more, but i also find the system of things like "tipping" not as a bonus but as necessity for decent pay to be absurd.
    Huge businesses can and should pay more. This is the result of people realizing they aren't valued. They are labeled essential to the functioning of our country, yet aren't even paid enough to survive themselves.

    To op: Good. Let them fail. Other companies are also making the move to increase their wages. The others can follow suit or go away. The unemployment just highlighted the fact that people felt safer and more secure on unemployment than at work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    2 dollars? That's not something i would expect in a rich and modern nation in this day, i mean 10 even feels low.
    It is low, but most who rely on tips wont fight for higher wages because they know they probably make more in tips, that they can lie and not report for taxes, then they would at any wage the company may offer.
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    Why the hell would you wait till after you did this to confirm the mortality rate of such action?

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