View Poll Results: What is your stance on extraterrestrial intelligent life and the Fermi Paradox?

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  • They visit the earth or our solar system all the time.

    14 13.46%
  • They are probably within our line of site. But they are too advanced for us to detect.

    24 23.08%
  • Intelligent life is incredibly rare. We will never see them.

    59 56.73%
  • Humans are possibly the only intelligent life in the visible universe

    7 6.73%

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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    Who don't know what technology humans will have thousands of years from now. Then just imagine intelligent alien life that's been around for potentially millions or billions of years.

    This makes the argument of "space is too big" and "speed of light" completely pointless. It's fine if they don't want to think aliens have visited us. But using those points as reasons why they haven't are ridiculous.

    I'd sooner believe we are in a "space nature reserve" that's controlled by one group of aliens and no one else is allowed inside before I'd believe it's due to a lack of technological advancement over the course of 13+ billion years.
    It's less about technology and more about physics in their view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    Who don't know what technology humans will have thousands of years from now.
    True, but one thing we have sure about that, we won't have any technology that breaks the laws of phisics. I'm sure that once we unify common physics with quantic physics, the results of a lot of calculations will be diferent. The problem of FTL travel is that it breaks the basic law of the universe. The requirement of energy for accelerating matter to the SL is infinite, and we live in a universe were the energy at the moment of the Big Bang was finite.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    Then just imagine intelligent alien life that's been around for potentially millions or billions of years.
    people will find stupid points as answers for their beliefs, did you know the ISS and even planet Venus are the most common observation of supposed UFO's. People will use their lack of knowledge to justify unplausable things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    This makes the argument of "space is too big" and "speed of light" completely pointless. It's fine if they don't want to think aliens have visited us. But using those points as reasons why they haven't are ridiculous.
    The concept for us not have being visited yet, according to the law's of phisics its not ridiculus, its actually the plausable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    I'd sooner believe we are in a "space nature reserve" that's controlled by one group of aliens and no one else is allowed inside before I'd believe it's due to a lack of technological advancement over the course of 13+ billion years.
    Don't get me wron, i do believe in Aliens, i just don't believe they would spent a ton of energy just to give a look at our world.


  3. #183
    I don't think any laws have to be broken. The speed of light may not matter one bit in order for someone to travel across the galaxy or universe. It may not even require that much effort. This is why this particular kind of argument doesn't make any sense to me.

    Imagine me saying I wanted to immediately speak to friend A who is far away. Friend B, who is right next to me, says it's not possible because it would take a long time to travel to friend A. So I pull out my phone and immediately speak to friend A.

    To me, all of the people, even scientists on these shows, arguing that aliens aren't likely to have visited (or it's impossible) because of the speed of light and the size of the universe are friend B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    I don't think any laws have to be broken. The speed of light may not matter one bit in order for someone to travel across the galaxy or universe. It may not even require that much effort. This is why this particular kind of argument doesn't make any sense to me.

    Imagine me saying I wanted to immediately speak to friend A who is far away. Friend B, who is right next to me, says it's not possible because it would take a long time to travel to friend A. So I pull out my phone and immediately speak to friend A.

    To me, all of the people, even scientists on these shows, arguing that aliens aren't likely to have visited (or it's impossible) because of the speed of light and the size of the universe are friend B.
    Except phones don't break any law of phisics. Now imagine friend A is on the Moon, you would be able to speak with your friend with 1 second of delay, that is the time light takes to arrive to the Moon coming from Earth, it's not instant.

    Radiawaves use one of the 4 forces of nature, the electromagnetic force, which is carried by photons, you know photons has light.


  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuor View Post
    Except phones don't break any law of phisics. Now imagine friend A is on the Moon, you would be able to speak with your friend with 1 second of delay, that is the time light takes to arrive to the Moon coming from Earth, it's not instant.

    Radiawaves use one of the 4 forces of nature, the electromagnetic force, which is carried by photons, you know photons has light.
    Right, phones don't break the laws of physics. Neither would the technology used to travel across the galaxy without going faster than the speed of light. That's my whole point.

    The speed of light thing keeps being brought up when it may not factor into the equation at all. It could be completely irrelevant.

  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuor View Post
    Except phones don't break any law of phisics. Now imagine friend A is on the Moon, you would be able to speak with your friend with 1 second of delay, that is the time light takes to arrive to the Moon coming from Earth, it's not instant.

    Radiawaves use one of the 4 forces of nature, the electromagnetic force, which is carried by photons, you know photons has light.
    The general idea is wormholes would be used.

  7. #187
    Kibda laughable to think aliens would have science and technology that would be comprehensible by human beings here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Kibda laughable to think aliens would have science and technology that would be comprehensible by human beings here.
    On the contrary, a person is a universal explainer. If something really exists then it must be explicable. Saying there can be aliens that can do things beyond human comprehension is no different than saying there can be a God that can do things beyond human comprehension. Both claims are nothing more than an appeal to supernatural inscrutability.
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  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    On the contrary, a person is a universal explainer. If something really exists then it must be explicable. Saying there can be aliens that can do things beyond human comprehension is no different than saying there can be a God that can do things beyond human comprehension. Both claims are nothing more than an appeal to supernatural inscrutability.
    Please. You make half-assed claims...when they aren't wild and far out, of science that you can't explain...and worse, deride the very science you claim to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Please. You make half-assed claims...when they aren't wild and far out, of science that you can't explain...and worse, deride the very science you claim to believe.
    Are you saying humans can't comprehend aliens right now with current knowledge or are you saying that aliens and their science and tech is inherently incomprehensible to humans? I see no issue with saying we do not currently have enough knowledge, but if you're saying we can't even comprehend them in principle then that's the part that is absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    The general idea is wormholes would be used.
    There are other proposed ways of travelling other then wormholes. For example we could creat a bubble around a ship and expand space, similar to waht the universe does. Using this method you wouldn't be moving at all, but the space expansion would carry a ship at really long distances.

    Offcourse, this and wormhole are still prety much in the field of theoretical phisics.


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    Ultimatley, people really aren't going to care until a UFO (or whatever the government calls them) does something to a bunch of people at once. Theres been mass sightings of things, but those things usually just come and go. You can say you saw something but can't rule out a misunderstanding. If its a one off event theres no like you can do anything about it so you move on. UFOs simply by definition but no one can say what they are or aren't until theres one that regularly happens. People aren't going to trust the government and definitly not the military. You can rule out it being China or Russia though for a number of reasons:

    (a) even if they managed to keep the project a complete secret there would be evidence of them access to highly sophisitated technology in other areas instead of just trying to keep pace with the US

    (b) if would be horrible intel security to let them know they have hardware that you're not even capable of comprehending. Its like playing poker and telling your opponent exactly what your 'tell' is.

    Theres some 'disproof' arguments that are just silly though. Like the ones that claim pilots suddenly read there instruments/instruments being buggy - even if you don't know how to fix a bug/flaw it gets documented. Arguments that say we aliens would be easily be detectable. Just think about that last one, our barely flying/barely launching rockets/just figured out theres other galaxy/can barely see huge objects in our own solar system asses would be able to just detect aliens capable of regular spaceflight? Let alone judge the limits of their technology? We do a damn good job at covering out tracks when we land on Mars and send out probes 'just in case' we might bump into aliens. We still have trouble tracking some of the stuff we send up into space, let alone stuff coming down. Why would it be 'obvious' that aliens within Earth's atmosphere would be easily detectable. Remember Oumuamua, an 'alien' rock in our solar system, and how hard it was to track and how little we know about it, Now think about an intelligence species that being cautious. And when people say 'aliens' they always mean physical beings, why not alien probes/AI like we would send to another planet? Long story short, NDT is an ass.

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    If aliens actually existed, they'd have either conquered us or would want nothing to do with us as a species with the shit we do to one another.

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