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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Kapaya View Post
    Any melee who thinks this can fuck off. Hunters has been lowest prio all of classic on any of the trinkets that pretty much exclusively went to Warriors in BWL, AQ and Naxx.
    I used hunter more as example of class that is top dps fore all tbc sims and probalby get stack and get prio loot above all other class

    think is that in TBC after raids get down to 10 or 25 making pug is much easier then for 40 men raids and you are less of a "slave" to the guild and when guild make a rules that hunter and lock get items befour any other dps it kinda make you question if you realy wona raid in that guild, Warr geting all loot in classic and min/maxing bosses that died easy with out that kinda turn me off from classic raids personaly

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Then you've misunderstood my priorities with this guild but that's okay I wasn't going into that as it isn't the point of the thread. I just want to hear about items that are going to be highly contested so that the system they're gonna use works as smoothly as it can. I knew when I made the thread it would be about 70% or more people saying "You just shouldn't use that loot system" and that's fine. I can update the OP with those items that do get mentioned.
    why arent the officers doing this??
    why is a random raider doing it??

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    why arent the officers doing this??
    why is a random raider doing it??
    Why does that matter? The officers are also doing this.

    I was a hunter that had been in the guild since phase 4 and was still playing, so they invited me along to the discussion during which I offered to do it (find out what the highly sought after/contested items would be) because I have some time on my hands, and while they're a brilliant bunch of people to play with, it seemed like they were moderately unprepared; and I'd prefer TBC to start as smoothly as possible. Rather than complain about the system they've chosen I'm opting to try and help it work.

    I hope that satisfies you, but you're free to continue thinking I'm doing this all in an attempt to subvert their decision, or whatever it is you're implying
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked View Post
    If there was a meaningful challenge that this scheme would allow us to overcome, yes. However, in Classic/TBC Classic, it's not gear gatekeeping you from killing bosses. I'm not passing literal BiS until end of TBC to some doofus because he happily fotm rerolled hunter because he saw it was #1 dps in TBC.
    That's funny, because Hunters passed on shitloads of stuff in Vanilla so that melee could play with their bigger dick DPS toys.

    Pretty funny how it flips when Hunters are actually good.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Because fuck you, that's why.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by jackofwind View Post
    That's funny, because Hunters passed on shitloads of stuff in Vanilla so that melee could play with their bigger dick DPS toys.

    Pretty funny how it flips when Hunters are actually good.
    What's funny? I didn't agree with it in classic, I don't agree with it in TBC.

  6. #66
    Personal Loot was the best damn thing they added to the game. My Mythic guild in Shadowlands uses just that. It's so chill. If you don't need something you tell the Raid Leads and they use LC to give it to someone.

    Meanwhile in my Classic guild they use LC where the class leads gear first or their friends or their dog, or they use DKP which is also incredibly easy to exploit if you collude with the other people behind the raid's back ( stuff like " I'll let you take DFT with 300 DKP if you let me take X for YZW ")

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by starstationprofm View Post
    My Mythic guild in Shadowlands uses just that.
    ...it's not like Blizzard gives you a choice.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by starstationprofm View Post
    Meanwhile in my Classic guild they use LC where the class leads gear first or their friends or their dog, or they use DKP which is also incredibly easy to exploit if you collude with the other people behind the raid's back ( stuff like " I'll let you take DFT with 300 DKP if you let me take X for YZW ")
    Haha in Cataclysm I played in a guild with hidden bid DKP. You whisper the master looter how much DKP you offer and that is that. Highest bid wins. Colluding works until people backstab you by 1 DKP on an item - then it's on. It was so much damn fun, I literally never experienced a better system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked View Post
    What's funny? I didn't agree with it in classic, I don't agree with it in TBC.
    It's funny to see melee complain about not getting prio on gear in TBC when they got prio on pretty much everything in Classic. Not from you specifically, but the melee tears are definitely flowing in abundance.

    I have no pity at all after watching Hunters sit 2 tiers behind on their 1H weps for the entirety of Classic so that every melee and their mother could have one of each 1H weapon in the game.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Because fuck you, that's why.

  10. #70
    Yeah, unless you are trying to be super competitive about clearing BC content, there's no real reason to prioritize loot to certain classes over others.

  11. #71
    I quit raiding in Classic because of all the insufferable loot councils that keep the meat and give you the bone. Half of the loot councils are crooked as fuck, the officers and class leaders tend to get all the gear first, then their friends, finally the rest of the crowd. Our luck with Rejuve gems sucked ass and when it was my turn they gave it to a reroll who already had a pimped out hunter and was friends with an officer, not like I was dead weight I always parsed high. Personal loot was the best loot system the devs implemented by far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DylxnTV View Post
    You could even ask the Boomkin if he would mind passing to the Mage for the benefit of the guild.
    So guilt trip the boomkin into giving up loot he earned and could make full use of so he will pass it on to the mage. Yeah that seems really fair to all involved.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    ...it's not like Blizzard gives you a choice.
    What? You think Method doesn't use Loot Council? Yeah you can't trade the first high ilvl item you get but once you start getting them and can trade them all gear in the top guilds goes to who the boss says.

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by starstationprofm View Post
    What? You think Method doesn't use Loot Council? Yeah you can't trade the first high ilvl item you get but once you start getting them and can trade them all gear in the top guilds goes to who the boss says.
    That's still Personal Loot, simply because people work around within the system, doesn't mean the system is totally different.

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by gaymer77 View Post
    So guilt trip the boomkin into giving up loot he earned and could make full use of so he will pass it on to the mage. Yeah that seems really fair to all involved.
    Whats fair about 39 other people in the raid carrying 1 player. people want participation loot in wow now? Dont like the loot rules find another guild its very easy.
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    Sounds like a euphemism for real life. We throw money at the rich, in hopes that we will someday be rich, and then we get hookers to piss on us. That's what trickle down economics really is.

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Skandulous View Post
    Whats fair about 39 other people in the raid carrying 1 player. people want participation loot in wow now? Dont like the loot rules find another guild its very easy.
    rofl

    that sentiment is rich especially if it comes from the mage who died at the start of the fight or something dumb as fk like that

    it surprises me that someone with a 10+ year old account here doesn't understand that continuous participation is 95% of key to success as a guild, not "carrying" others

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    That's still Personal Loot, simply because people work around within the system, doesn't mean the system is totally different.
    If you have to trade your item to someone else it's not PL, it's LC with extra steps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skandulous View Post
    Whats fair about 39 other people in the raid carrying 1 player. people want participation loot in wow now? Dont like the loot rules find another guild its very easy.
    I'm sorry but what does participation of 39 other people have to do with guilt tripping a player (the boomkin who was in priority to get the said trinket) have to do with this? The fact remains if the boomkin has the attendance priority and the guild uses a system that rewards participation over other factors like "oh its a better upgrade overall for Mageymcmage" then why would a guild literally guilt trip the boomkin by putting them on the spot and ask him "you want to pass that to the mage or take it for yourself"? That's pretty fucked up logic. If you're going to have a loot system where attendance is the priority then don't try to guilt trip a player to pass on an item that is an upgrade and very useful for himself just because its a better upgrade for another player who doesn't have the same seniority. And if you don't think that asking a player "you want to pass it to someone else" isn't a guilt trip, think again. You're putting the player on the spot and makes it very difficult to say no because if they do they look like a major ass which is what a guilt trip is meant to do....guilt someone into doing something they don't want to do (or into not doing something they want to do depending on the situation).

  19. #79
    Super excited to seeing all the 10~ warlock and 10~ hunter raids throughout TBC.

    ... not.

    Gotta figure out better loot priorities since you'll be swarmed by meta classes. Tallest dude? By race? Biggest guild donation?
    Last edited by hulkgor; 2021-05-18 at 04:38 AM.

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by starstationprofm View Post
    If you have to trade your item to someone else it's not PL, it's LC with extra steps.
    If you still have to deal with Item restriction, the system is still PL.

    There is a reason why people are asking for ML to return.

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