Power Infusions implementation needs a rethink

[Priestyboy]

I think on progression, you should use PI on whoever gets the most use out of it, and that's usually not a healer outside of situations like mythic Sun King where there's a tight HPS check absent of a DPS check.

But if the raid is on farm and people are demanding it to parse, you have the right to be upset. That's a problem with the guild you're in, not the ability itself.

I play a warlock and hate pugs because I immediately get demands for healthstones and summons when I join even if I'm also flying to the raid. I just leave if it gets excessive. And I recommend you do the same if people are annoying you with incessant begging for PI.

lolwat healthstone=/= PI. grow up
This entire comment section is such a shitshow of people.

[Mardux]

lolwat healthstone=/= PI. grow up
This entire comment section is such a shitshow of people.

Pot, meet kettle.

[Priestyboy]

Pot, meet kettle.

you sure showed me.

[Moozart]

Before we start I play Disc Priest and this is not just a pug issue but also a guild one.

Over the last few months with content on farm, I've been demanded to offload my PI to help others parse... fair enough its utility to be utilised by a group. But as I said as things have gone on I'd like to make use of it myself we have more than enough DPS. But to be treated as if I'm nothing but a PI bot for a guild which has come to the point where I just left a long standing guild I'd played with for years.

I'm not the sort that likes to argue and I know blizzard looks at this subreddit at times and right now I'd love for some sort of relook at Power Infusion.

I can't deny just how toxic its got, I was removed from a heroic pug group because I wanted to have a go at parsing myself and in the group leaders own words "I can just get another" and removes me from the group this has happened several times in one evening to the point I just logged out.

I wish that it was myself baseline and twins was the only way to give it. Because people have become so ungrateful that it is theirs by right of optimal use. WELL THAT RIGHT DOESN'T INCLUDE HARASSMENT FOR IT!

I'm at my wits end people I've played with for years have turned toxic and downright awful, I've threated to leave and even after 2 expansions worth of friendship they don't care and PI has ruined that. After being ignored I left my guild stating fully the toxicity I've been getting from "You didn't do it at the right time" / "You ruined my parse I was handling mechanics your f*ing shit" and these are really really long standing friendships where I meet them in real life sorta up in smoke.

I've already put in a app to a heroic guild that is just re-farming for the 20th time hoping it would be mine but they said it was conditional for them as they have a few people that would love their hands on it and when I declined I was told I was blacklisted.

So please rethink this ability.

WOW, I bet you didn't expect 95% of the replies to not agree with you LOL /close thread.

[tomten]

"Clueless" isn't the word you're looking for.

I'm well aware what it takes to rank. I do not give a shit about it, because it benefits absolutely nobody.

Ranking is useless, even to the people at the top. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to give PI to the tank. Ever. It is worse in every conceivable scenario, you've wasted a cooldown to give somebody an epeen boost at best.

Why do you think your opinion is equal to everyone else? Just because YOU don't care doesn't mean anything, its irrelevant. An overwhelming majority of mythic raiders do care about it.
"Wasted a cooldown", why do you even think it matters on months old content that nobody cares about anymore?
There absolutely is a reason to give PI to the tank, to have him go for top ranks because its not possible without it...wanna know why? Because everyone else is doing it....
Have you even looked at wcl?
And haste is a very strong stat for most tanks, from prot paladin to warrior execute dumping. Just because YOU don't like that, doesn't change the fact.

[Tradu]

You know how much I give a shit about your top rank? 0. I want the boss dead in the most efficient way possible, your rank isn't helping unless you're the top DPS, and the "venthyr prot paladin" ain't it.

Actually, venthyr prot paladin is an extremely good PI target.

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Which does not, in any way, shape, or form, increase the usefulness of the cooldown. It does not matter what you "care" about. Nobody said it is irrelevant. I said it was useless. Without use. Has no meaning and never will, because all it is, is an epeen contest.

So by definition it does have meaning.

[Tradu]

I worry for the sanity of anyone who truly gives any level of "meaning" to any measure of epeen contest.

In case you weren't aware - No, an epeen contest is equivalent to a dick waving contest. Which also has no meaning or purpose, nor means of judging, hence the saying.

Except of course there's definitely a way to judge/measure ranks, and competing for them is what gives them meaning.

[Tradu]

Still not hearing how this helps the group's overall efficiency, which is what I care about. Sounds a lot like "it has meaning because we say so."

That's not what "having meaning" means. That's called a pyramid scheme. Once people stop caring about it - Boom - Suddenly it doesn't matter at all anymore. And when the people who achieve the top stop playing - Well, let's just say the people at the bottom aren't much for competing. There's a reason they weren't at the top to begin with.

You can give a dick waving contest rules, but that doesn't give it "meaning." You're still just waving dicks around and pretending you're accomplishing something.

Because it motivates people to improve/maintain their level of play even on farm rather than just phoning it in and "just killing the bosses". Not everybody needs that, but it definitely does help others. It's something to do once progress is over and you're on farm.
And by your logic any sport/competition is a pyramid scheme. Once people stop caring about the NFL or NBA or Bundesliga or whatever it doesn't matter at all anymore. That doesn't mean they don't have value.

[Trumpcat]

Next:
Why does a combat res spec is asked to combat res
Can't a DK use AMZ as personal defense
Why can't Mage just TW when they will benefit most
Are people entitled to ask the one Monk in group to hit things
Why does anyone has to drop their rotation to cc/dispel/rebuff/BoP/
And the list goes on.

I enjoy having group support utility and feel powerful and important for it. If you don't, perhaps playing a support role or a spec with support utility isn't for you.

I'm fairly certain there is more to the story of a guild group of several years to turn toxic ove your handling of PI. We will not know that, but arguing that impactful and unique support abilities should be removed because you dislike using them in the most optimal way is by itself toxic. Of course it will cause irritation in others when you mismanage an ability that directly affects them. Have you played other games with support roles/abilities?

[Tradu]

Next:
Why does a combat res spec is asked to combat res
Can't a DK use AMZ as personal defense
Why can't Mage just TW when they will benefit most
Are people entitled to ask the one Monk in group to hit things
Why does anyone has to drop their rotation to cc/dispel/rebuff/BoP/
And the list goes on.

I enjoy having group support utility and feel powerful and important for it. If you don't, perhaps playing a support role or a spec with support utility isn't for you.

I'm fairly certain there is more to the story of a guild group of several years to turn toxic ove your handling of PI. We will not know that, but arguing that impactful and unique support abilities should be removed because you dislike using them in the most optimal way is by itself toxic. Of course it will cause irritation in others when you mismanage an ability that directly affects them. Have you played other games with support roles/abilities?

That's a great solution until they decide that actually now your spec should also have a CD you need to give away when it didn't when you chose the spec. Shadow didn't have PI for years until it came back in SL, for example, so people did pick a spec that was allowed to keep its own DPS CDs. Rerolling from a spec you enjoy because Blizzard forces a stupid "utility" spell onto that spec is a shit solution.
And I will use it in the most optimal way/on the most optimal person, I just think it's awful design that you're even able to give away your own throughput CD.

Comparing spending 1 GCD on a utility spell to giving away one of your DPS CDs is also extremely disingenuous.

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And if I wanted to, I could motivate myself to pick peacebloom endlessly from now until the end of time, and call it a "competition."

That doesn't make it any more meaningful. You can motivate yourself however you please, I like seeing the raid as a whole hit bigger numbers, and that doesn't happen with giving lower DPS a buff just so they can rank. It happens when the buff is given to the most beneficial character it can be given to.



This isn't true. People enjoy seeing others in top physical condition, which is incredibly difficult to get to nevermind maintain. Most people will never be as fit as the average major league athlete is IRL. Maintaining that level of physical conditioning, and then showing it off to the masses, DOES have value - As evidenced by the myriads of money people are willing to throw at it, thus giving it ACTUAL value.

The same cannot be said of a video game. Everyone CAN be trained with the reflexes to kill bosses. You'll notice nobody gets PAID to rank. (If anything, you're paying Blizzard to play the game in an attempt to rank.)

All the more reason to get the boss over with faster rather than maintain someone's epeen contest.

Most people will never be as fit as those athletes, and most people also won't be as good as the people consistently topping warcraftlogs (or getting world first or whatever metric you choose to measure WoW skill with). Not everyone can be trained to play at that level. And people do clearly enjoy seeing high level gameplay, otherwise a lot of streamers would be out of a job (and esports wouldn't be a thing).
Being paid money or not isn't what decides what has value or not.

Just because you don't enjoy ranks doesn't mean they're not meaningful or have value.

[GreatNameForSmurfingExTee]

The same cannot be said of a video game. Everyone CAN be trained with the reflexes to kill bosses. You'll notice nobody gets PAID to rank. (If anything, you're paying Blizzard to play the game in an attempt to rank.)

Everything in this quote is wrong.