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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Talrath View Post
    If people see at warcraftlogs that the dps of a certain spec is at the rock bottom or near, they will ditch that spec and start playing a spec thats in the upper 5 highest dps spec. The difference is most of the time 20% between them, because of how the fights are. Lets just say a bleed spec thats focussed more on single target, this means that it doesnt have a big burst, just look at the feral. It takes time to get all bleeds on and let it keep ticking. If there is an AOE encounter in raids, well you are screwed since the adds will die too fast, bleeds will have ticked for 50%. This also means that it goes rockbottom in a raid where there is alot of AOE and it also goes low at M+. Plus the negativity from the playerbase that comes with it, thats why the damage should be homogenized.

    Just because they say that players hate having to relearn their spec shows how ignorant Blizzard is. MAJORITY of the people hate it that the only new thing is always 1-2 spells and thats it, which only changes the rotation by 5% orso, plus its a borrowed spells for just one expansion. Scour the discord and players who play specs at a high level, they WANT change cuz they dont want a rotation that is several expansions old. Yes there will be people who want to do their rotation to be as basic like a warrior hitting their heads on their keyboard, but is that really the majority?
    A majority of players aren’t in discord and the answer by blizz was I believe “we get a lot of feedback in that many players who quit do so because they don’t enjoy relearning their classes every two years” which until BfA was the case

    Also Warcraft logs can be deceptive
    One specs highest log is 20% behind the top
    Could be due to any number of factors

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    I’ve already got mine planned

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    I'll be blunt: This was very poorly written even for a Fan Expansion. I wasn't expecting anything on the level of @GoldenYak--look him up on the forums since you clearly don't seem to know about him--but it's obvious you didn't put a lot of thought into this. The idea is intriguing but the problem is it was clearly not clearly thought out. Use Wowpedia (website) for info.

    Oh and Cataclysm was not a "Dragon" Expansion. Yes, Deathwing was the final boss but there was other enemies in that expansion. We know the Old Gods were pulling the strings in regards to Deathwing and then there's the Twilight Hammer. Let's not also forget the returning Ragnaros and the rogue Aspect of Air in Uldum. The War of the Ancients--which involved the Legion--is where we go to retrieve the Dragon Soul. Thrall is empowered as the Aspect of Earth as well.

    On the one hand I do agree the former Aspects' story is over. Of the original Aspects, only Alextrasza and Nozdormu are still alive. We kill Neltharion becomes Deathwing who we kill (lorewise, the Alliance kills him). Malygos is killed in Northrend after going mad and his son Kalecos replaces him as Aspect of the Blue Dragonflight. After Deathwing is killed, Kalecos disbands the Blue Dragonflight which I think you overlooked. As most know, Ysera dies in Val'Sharah. She is revived by the Winter Queen in Ardenweald but the caviat is she can never return to Azeroth.

    Alextrasza even after being depowered is probably still the most powerful dragon alive. After Hour of Twilight, all of the Aspects lost the ability to reproduce and I'm assuming that also applies to the Dragonflights as a whole. The Bronze Flight can still travel through time but they can no longer see the future with clarity. We do know thanks to WoD that the Bronze Flight can still find alternate timelines for not just Azeroth but other worlds. Even though they're not as powerful, they continue their charge as stewards of the timeways.

    ...Moving on. Let's flesh your concept out a bit more, shall we?

    Expansion Story

    While the Horde and the Alliance were busy dealing with threats of the Shadowlands, two long defeated foes have joined forces. The Twilight Hammer and the Cult of the Damned join forces to greatly boost their power and get revenge on their enemies starting with the greatly weakened Dragonflights. The five Dragonflights were once the most powerful races on Azeroth. The Aspects, who were blessed by the Titans sacrificed their power to stop one of their own who had succumbed to madness.

    Despite having just gotten the crisis from the Shadowlands under control, the Alliance and the Horde respond the former Aspects' call for aid in their time of need. Aided by mortal heroes, the five flights come together and form the Wymcrest Vanguard. Now is the time for them to take the fight to those who seek their extinction. To thank the mortals who came to their aid, the Wyrmcrest Vanguard raises the Dragonsworn. The Dragonsworn is a Hero Class that uses the Red Dragonflight as a base but is imbued with the power of all five flights.

    The Twilight Hammer and the Cult of the Damned--now calling themselves The Twilight Enclave--is backed by new masters who have opened the way to the mythical Dragon Isles. The Dragon Isles was one of the few regions on Azeroth that hadn't been revealed by the Cataclysm. Now exposed to the world, terrible power threatens to destroy all life on Azeroth. The race is on to stop the Twilight Enclave and reseal the Dragon Isles before it's too late.


    Pre-Expansion Event: Dragon's Roar


    The Twilight Enclave is targeting dragons who have been living among the mortal races. Alextraszsa reveals The Twilight Enclave has learned from capturing and tourturing Dragonkin how to unseal the Dragon Isles. It is a place considered sacred to all Dragons that no mortal could find our enter...until now. The race is now on to find five dragons who hold the key to unsealing The Dragon Isles before the Twilight Enclave does. The seal, which had been placed before the events of the War of the Ancients has persisted despite all that has happened in the millenia since then.

    You will have to find a dragon of each flight in five zones in five familiar areas, some of them depending on your faction:




    • Ironforge (Alliance) or Thunder Bluff (Horde): Alliance Players will seek out a blacksmith in Ironforge who is really a Red Dragon. He has one more job to do before he can leave though. The Twlight Enclave is on the move and you must defend him while he completes his last job as a Blacksmith. Horde Players will seek out a guard in Thunder Bluff who is really a Red Dragon. The Centaur have united and invaded Mulgore as far as the gates of Thunder Bluff. Someone powerful is directing the Centaur. You must find out who and slay them before the Centaur breach the city.
    • Kun Kai Summit: A Green Dragon disguised as a Pandaren has gone missing somewhere in the mountains. The Shado Pan have already started a search since she was one of theirs but you must find her before someone else does.
    • Azure Watch (Alliance) or Suramar City (Horde): Alliance players will seek out a Draenei Mage in Azure Watch who is really a Black Dragon in disguise. She was sent by Wrathion investigate the Twilight Enclave, who seem to be up to something on Bloodmyst Isle to the north. She was just thinking of finding some help but since you came, that's no longer necessary. Horde Players will seek out a Nightborne Warlock who is really a Black Dragon in Disguise. He was attacked by agents of the Twlight Enclave who are still hiding somewhere in the city. They took items of importance and you must get them back.
    • Icecrown Citadel: Kalec tells you he lost contact with a Blue dragon disguised as a Death Knight who was among the Ebon Blade. You travel with him him Acherus where Darion Mograine reveals The Twilight Enclave forced their way into Icecrown Citadel and they seem to be looking for something. Bolvar locked down the area but they lost contact with the strike team sent in to wipe them out. The Death Knight you're looking for is a part of that team.
    • Caverns of Time: The Twilight Enclave launch a massive offensive to wipe out the Bronze Flight. You arrive to find the Caverns of Time is overrun. Help the Bronze push back the invaders and protect their lair.


    After completing the five quests--you can do them in any order--the Wymcrest Accord reforms as the Wymcrest Vanguard. Wrathion proposes they share their power with the mortal races since their help will be needed for the coming challenges. They decide to set off for Grim Batol, which was abandoned by the Twilight Hammer some time ago to make it their base.



    New Class: Dragonsworn

    The Dragonsworn is new Hero Class that utilizes the power of the Red Dragonflight as a base. Dragonsworn wear Mail armorIt is the second Class after the Druid Class to have Four Specs, each based on one of the other Flights:


    • Talonguard (Tank): By harnessing the power of the Black Dragonflight, the Dragonsworn becomes a mighty bulwark to keep their allies safe and draw the enemy's attention. Uses Rage as a resource, wields a 1H Weapon + Shield.
    • Timeweaver (Melee DPS): By harnessing the power of the Bronze Dragonflight, the Dragonsworn is able to attack enemies with quick but powerful melee strikes. Some abilities change depending on weather you're using one 2H weapon or Dual Wielding two 1H weapons. The Dragonsworn is also able to strenthen allies and hinder foes. Uses Focus as a Resource.
    • Magiknight (Caster DPS): By harnessing the power of the Blue Dragonflight, the Dragonsworn is able to wield powerful magic to devastate enemies and aid allies. Uses Mana as a resource.
    • Dreamweaver (Healer): By harnessing the power of the Green Dragonflight, the Dragonsworn is able to mend the wounds of allies and in some cases prevent damage entirely. Uses Mana as a resource.


    Dragonsworn are a Hero class and starts at level 15 like DKs and DHs. In addition to their own unique land mount, they also have two unique travel forms based on the Red Dragonflight that are both rideable by another player.

    The Dragonsworn can be of the following races at the start of the expansion:


    • Alliance: Human, Dwarf, Draenei, Worgen, Dark Iron Dwarf, Kul Tiran, Lightforged Draenei, Pandaren
    • Horde: Orc, Tauren, Undead, Troll, Highmountain Tauren, Zandalari Troll, Nightborne, Pandaren


    Dragonsworn will begin in a phased version of Wetlands where they learn their class and also put a stop to the Twilight Hammer's attempts to infiltrate Grim Batol. At the end of the Quest chain, you're sent to Orgrimmar or Stormwind.


    In a later content update, the following races will have access to the Dragonsworn Class after completing a certain quest chain per faction:


    • Alliance: Night Elf, Gnome, Mechagnome and Void Elf
    • Horde: Blood Elf, Goblin, Mag'har Orc and Vulpera


    Dragonsworn of these races will go through a phased version of Feralas which will reflect events of the expansion up to then. At the end, you're sent to Orgrimmar or Stormwind.



    Battle The Twilight Enclave Across Azeroth


    Upon reaching level 58+, heroes of the Alliance and the Horde will be summoned to the Wymcrest Vanguard's new base in Grim Batol. From here, you will aid the Vanguard and the Dragonsworn they've trained in their war against the Twilight Enclave across Azeroth.


    • Northrend: Taking advantage of the recent conflict in the Shadowlands, The Twilight Enclave has seized control of nearly half the Scourge and is using the undead working to build a fleet of ships to wash across Azeroth. If that's not bad enough, the Twlight Enclave is also working to raise Galakrond. Bolvar and the Ebon Blade have their hands full keeping the rogue Scourge contained to Northrend so it's up to you to break the deadlock.
    • Pandaria: Something has arroused the Mantid Swarms, which had been dormant since the Pandaria Campaign many years earlier. To make matters worse, the Yaungol are also on the move. You must help old allies face these challenge and find out what caused them in the first place.
    • Broken Isles: The Twlilight Enclave devised a covert attack in Suramar City not that long ago. Now they are back in much larger numbers looking to plunder the denizens still recovering from the Legion invasion.
    • Eastern Kingdoms: The Twilight Hammer is seeking allies and power across the continent. Aid some familiar faces in their efforts to beat the Enclave across the continent.
    • Kalimdor: The Twilight Hammer is seeking allies and power across the continent. Aid some familiar faces in their efforts to beat the Enclave across the continent.


    You can do these quest areas in any order. There is a story quest chain for each landmass that involves specific zones but there are additional sidequests that will take you into other zones. Doing them provides additional story content and rewards, reputation and experience that make them worth doing.


    Max Level Zone: Dragon Isles


    After stopping the Twilight Enclave's plans across Azeroth, the time has come for you to enter the mythical Dragon Isles. This isolated archapelego is home to many exotic flora and fauna and populated by Dragonkind in mortal guises. The Wymcrest Vanguard has enlisted the aid of the various factions you encountered across Azeroth to build a a base as well as outposts across the isles at key points. You must find the means of restoring the Dragon Isles' barrier before the Twilight Enclave can bring their horrible plans to fruition!


    New Feature: Power of the Aspects

    Harness the power to the aspects in your quest to defeat the Twilight Enclave and aid the Wyrmcrest Vanguard. Make use of Dragonshrines across the world to grow in power and make use of power wielded the five flights.


    ...Whew. I feel like I wasted the 6 hours I spent writing this but I hope this gets your creative juices flowing at least =P
    ...Ok, time to change the ol' Sig ^_^

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  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Aurabolt View Post
    I'll be blunt: This was very poorly written even for a Fan Expansion. I wasn't expecting anything on the level of @GoldenYak--look him up on the forums since you clearly don't seem to know about him--but it's obvious you didn't put a lot of thought into this. The idea is intriguing but the problem is it was clearly not clearly thought out. Use Wowpedia (website) for info.

    Oh and Cataclysm was not a "Dragon" Expansion. Yes, Deathwing was the final boss but there was other enemies in that expansion. We know the Old Gods were pulling the strings in regards to Deathwing and then there's the Twilight Hammer. Let's not also forget the returning Ragnaros and the rogue Aspect of Air in Uldum. The War of the Ancients--which involved the Legion--is where we go to retrieve the Dragon Soul. Thrall is empowered as the Aspect of Earth as well.

    On the one hand I do agree the former Aspects' story is over. Of the original Aspects, only Alextrasza and Nozdormu are still alive. We kill Neltharion becomes Deathwing who we kill (lorewise, the Alliance kills him). Malygos is killed in Northrend after going mad and his son Kalecos replaces him as Aspect of the Blue Dragonflight. After Deathwing is killed, Kalecos disbands the Blue Dragonflight which I think you overlooked. As most know, Ysera dies in Val'Sharah. She is revived by the Winter Queen in Ardenweald but the caviat is she can never return to Azeroth.

    Alextrasza even after being depowered is probably still the most powerful dragon alive. After Hour of Twilight, all of the Aspects lost the ability to reproduce and I'm assuming that also applies to the Dragonflights as a whole. The Bronze Flight can still travel through time but they can no longer see the future with clarity. We do know thanks to WoD that the Bronze Flight can still find alternate timelines for not just Azeroth but other worlds. Even though they're not as powerful, they continue their charge as stewards of the timeways.

    ...Moving on. Let's flesh your concept out a bit more, shall we?

    Expansion Story

    While the Horde and the Alliance were busy dealing with threats of the Shadowlands, two long defeated foes have joined forces. The Twilight Hammer and the Cult of the Damned join forces to greatly boost their power and get revenge on their enemies starting with the greatly weakened Dragonflights. The five Dragonflights were once the most powerful races on Azeroth. The Aspects, who were blessed by the Titans sacrificed their power to stop one of their own who had succumbed to madness.

    Despite having just gotten the crisis from the Shadowlands under control, the Alliance and the Horde respond the former Aspects' call for aid in their time of need. Aided by mortal heroes, the five flights come together and form the Wymcrest Vanguard. Now is the time for them to take the fight to those who seek their extinction. To thank the mortals who came to their aid, the Wyrmcrest Vanguard raises the Dragonsworn. The Dragonsworn is a Hero Class that uses the Red Dragonflight as a base but is imbued with the power of all five flights.

    The Twilight Hammer and the Cult of the Damned--now calling themselves The Twilight Enclave--is backed by new masters who have opened the way to the mythical Dragon Isles. The Dragon Isles was one of the few regions on Azeroth that hadn't been revealed by the Cataclysm. Now exposed to the world, terrible power threatens to destroy all life on Azeroth. The race is on to stop the Twilight Enclave and reseal the Dragon Isles before it's too late.


    Pre-Expansion Event: Dragon's Roar


    The Twilight Enclave is targeting dragons who have been living among the mortal races. Alextraszsa reveals The Twilight Enclave has learned from capturing and tourturing Dragonkin how to unseal the Dragon Isles. It is a place considered sacred to all Dragons that no mortal could find our enter...until now. The race is now on to find five dragons who hold the key to unsealing The Dragon Isles before the Twilight Enclave does. The seal, which had been placed before the events of the War of the Ancients has persisted despite all that has happened in the millenia since then.

    You will have to find a dragon of each flight in five zones in five familiar areas, some of them depending on your faction:




    • Ironforge (Alliance) or Thunder Bluff (Horde): Alliance Players will seek out a blacksmith in Ironforge who is really a Red Dragon. He has one more job to do before he can leave though. The Twlight Enclave is on the move and you must defend him while he completes his last job as a Blacksmith. Horde Players will seek out a guard in Thunder Bluff who is really a Red Dragon. The Centaur have united and invaded Mulgore as far as the gates of Thunder Bluff. Someone powerful is directing the Centaur. You must find out who and slay them before the Centaur breach the city.
    • Kun Kai Summit: A Green Dragon disguised as a Pandaren has gone missing somewhere in the mountains. The Shado Pan have already started a search since she was one of theirs but you must find her before someone else does.
    • Azure Watch (Alliance) or Suramar City (Horde): Alliance players will seek out a Draenei Mage in Azure Watch who is really a Black Dragon in disguise. She was sent by Wrathion investigate the Twilight Enclave, who seem to be up to something on Bloodmyst Isle to the north. She was just thinking of finding some help but since you came, that's no longer necessary. Horde Players will seek out a Nightborne Warlock who is really a Black Dragon in Disguise. He was attacked by agents of the Twlight Enclave who are still hiding somewhere in the city. They took items of importance and you must get them back.
    • Icecrown Citadel: Kalec tells you he lost contact with a Blue dragon disguised as a Death Knight who was among the Ebon Blade. You travel with him him Acherus where Darion Mograine reveals The Twilight Enclave forced their way into Icecrown Citadel and they seem to be looking for something. Bolvar locked down the area but they lost contact with the strike team sent in to wipe them out. The Death Knight you're looking for is a part of that team.
    • Caverns of Time: The Twilight Enclave launch a massive offensive to wipe out the Bronze Flight. You arrive to find the Caverns of Time is overrun. Help the Bronze push back the invaders and protect their lair.


    After completing the five quests--you can do them in any order--the Wymcrest Accord reforms as the Wymcrest Vanguard. Wrathion proposes they share their power with the mortal races since their help will be needed for the coming challenges. They decide to set off for Grim Batol, which was abandoned by the Twilight Hammer some time ago to make it their base.



    New Class: Dragonsworn

    The Dragonsworn is new Hero Class that utilizes the power of the Red Dragonflight as a base. Dragonsworn wear Mail armorIt is the second Class after the Druid Class to have Four Specs, each based on one of the other Flights:


    • Talonguard (Tank): By harnessing the power of the Black Dragonflight, the Dragonsworn becomes a mighty bulwark to keep their allies safe and draw the enemy's attention. Uses Rage as a resource, wields a 1H Weapon + Shield.
    • Timeweaver (Melee DPS): By harnessing the power of the Bronze Dragonflight, the Dragonsworn is able to attack enemies with quick but powerful melee strikes. Some abilities change depending on weather you're using one 2H weapon or Dual Wielding two 1H weapons. The Dragonsworn is also able to strenthen allies and hinder foes. Uses Focus as a Resource.
    • Magiknight (Caster DPS): By harnessing the power of the Blue Dragonflight, the Dragonsworn is able to wield powerful magic to devastate enemies and aid allies. Uses Mana as a resource.
    • Dreamweaver (Healer): By harnessing the power of the Green Dragonflight, the Dragonsworn is able to mend the wounds of allies and in some cases prevent damage entirely. Uses Mana as a resource.


    Dragonsworn are a Hero class and starts at level 15 like DKs and DHs. In addition to their own unique land mount, they also have two unique travel forms based on the Red Dragonflight that are both rideable by another player.

    The Dragonsworn can be of the following races at the start of the expansion:


    • Alliance: Human, Dwarf, Draenei, Worgen, Dark Iron Dwarf, Kul Tiran, Lightforged Draenei, Pandaren
    • Horde: Orc, Tauren, Undead, Troll, Highmountain Tauren, Zandalari Troll, Nightborne, Pandaren


    Dragonsworn will begin in a phased version of Wetlands where they learn their class and also put a stop to the Twilight Hammer's attempts to infiltrate Grim Batol. At the end of the Quest chain, you're sent to Orgrimmar or Stormwind.


    In a later content update, the following races will have access to the Dragonsworn Class after completing a certain quest chain per faction:


    • Alliance: Night Elf, Gnome, Mechagnome and Void Elf
    • Horde: Blood Elf, Goblin, Mag'har Orc and Vulpera


    Dragonsworn of these races will go through a phased version of Feralas which will reflect events of the expansion up to then. At the end, you're sent to Orgrimmar or Stormwind.



    Battle The Twilight Enclave Across Azeroth


    Upon reaching level 58+, heroes of the Alliance and the Horde will be summoned to the Wymcrest Vanguard's new base in Grim Batol. From here, you will aid the Vanguard and the Dragonsworn they've trained in their war against the Twilight Enclave across Azeroth.


    • Northrend: Taking advantage of the recent conflict in the Shadowlands, The Twilight Enclave has seized control of nearly half the Scourge and is using the undead working to build a fleet of ships to wash across Azeroth. If that's not bad enough, the Twlight Enclave is also working to raise Galakrond. Bolvar and the Ebon Blade have their hands full keeping the rogue Scourge contained to Northrend so it's up to you to break the deadlock.
    • Pandaria: Something has arroused the Mantid Swarms, which had been dormant since the Pandaria Campaign many years earlier. To make matters worse, the Yaungol are also on the move. You must help old allies face these challenge and find out what caused them in the first place.
    • Broken Isles: The Twlilight Enclave devised a covert attack in Suramar City not that long ago. Now they are back in much larger numbers looking to plunder the denizens still recovering from the Legion invasion.
    • Eastern Kingdoms: The Twilight Hammer is seeking allies and power across the continent. Aid some familiar faces in their efforts to beat the Enclave across the continent.
    • Kalimdor: The Twilight Hammer is seeking allies and power across the continent. Aid some familiar faces in their efforts to beat the Enclave across the continent.


    You can do these quest areas in any order. There is a story quest chain for each landmass that involves specific zones but there are additional sidequests that will take you into other zones. Doing them provides additional story content and rewards, reputation and experience that make them worth doing.


    Max Level Zone: Dragon Isles


    After stopping the Twilight Enclave's plans across Azeroth, the time has come for you to enter the mythical Dragon Isles. This isolated archapelego is home to many exotic flora and fauna and populated by Dragonkind in mortal guises. The Wymcrest Vanguard has enlisted the aid of the various factions you encountered across Azeroth to build a a base as well as outposts across the isles at key points. You must find the means of restoring the Dragon Isles' barrier before the Twilight Enclave can bring their horrible plans to fruition!


    New Feature: Power of the Aspects

    Harness the power to the aspects in your quest to defeat the Twilight Enclave and aid the Wyrmcrest Vanguard. Make use of Dragonshrines across the world to grow in power and make use of power wielded the five flights.


    ...Whew. I feel like I wasted the 6 hours I spent writing this but I hope this gets your creative juices flowing at least =P
    I mean I appreciate the fact you put in so much effort but
    1. No it’s not that thought out I literally came up with it while mowing my lawn
    2. Why would I know who golden yak is??
    3. Be less condescending in the future

    The reason I went with the stories I did is because they are the open ended stories that still exist and the threats are so big that they require a force on par with the aspects which as far as we know is something we can create

    The dragonsworn using the black flight as a base is due to the fact we see agents of the black prince throughout multiple expansions

    The zones were due to ties to the dragon aspects or the enemies
    Dragonblight was literally where galakrond is located and his body has been known to still have power

    The twilight cult is more about the old gods and currently they have been severely weakened after 8.3 so including them seemed unnecessary until we addressed the twilight flight which would probably also include the survivors of the void wings

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    Also the reason I created different class resources was because reusing rage and focus seemed low effort

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    I don't get the appeal of Dragons.
    Most of the time you fight their toenails.
    Their voice actors are, often, horrendously bad.
    Their size and models are, often, outdated and lackluster.

    If anything, i'd wanna see Galakrond as he's depicted in his concept art:


    And, perhaps, an expansion based on Spyro:


    Because releasing dragons was the shit, back in the day

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    Sorry i don't like ur idea, didn't read full post but that idea alone is killing it for me
    Don't make lvling zones separate, we tried that in Cata and again in SL, and it still is a horrible idea, the idea of travel to each zone by portal, at most make it 1 zone portal and others connected
    4 zones isn't enough, i want return of 6 zones at least to lvl, for BOTH factions
    re-use of old zones but instance version is still a meh to me, prefer new but sometimes it hits its mark (i liked using Barrens in MoP for example, but generally i hate almost all else)
    Dragons can't reproduce and lost all their powers, i don't want to deal with them as main focus anymore, but that's negotiable if u can make it fit, problem is Deathwing who was most interesting dragon, became a joke in Cata
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    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    obviously a borrowed power system will exist because even fan concepts cant get away from them
    I feel like there's a lot of lore discrepancies and issues I have with this concept, but isn't the whole point of a fan-made expansion to be what the creator of the project wants? It's not unreasonable for Blizzard to actually get rid of borrowed power, rather it's unreasonable to expect them to do so.

    When I make my fan concepts, I ask what's unreasonable for Blizzard to actually get done in a certain time frame, not what I'd expect them to do or don't do (part of making a fan project is fulfilling a certain savvy for systems/content that doesn't exist but is possible in-game).

    A few other notes:
    1. I feel like the Twilight Highlands could better serve the red dragonflight story. After an expansion filled with death, having an entire zone surrounding liches seems a bit exhausting. For the blue dragonflight, might I suggest Storm Peaks? Has little to do with death, and you could elaborate on the titan story a little more.

    2. Having Nozdormu just be a fake image in End Time is a bit gimmicky... you could do something neat with time magic and make him "immune" to death (obviously eventually finding a way to kill him). That could help show how powerful he is, and could allow some exploration into some cool (but not story-changing) time travel mechanics

    3. Class specs seem interesting, but they're also very diverse. As Blizz starts reigning in specs back into class identities, I'm not sure if this is a reasonable thing to expect

    4. Talent tree with empty sockets + generic abilities sounds like a literal re-skin of Soulbinds and conduits

    5. Chromatus idea is cool. There's definitely not enough about him in WoW lore. Also, I do have to agree with you that it is viable to create more dragonflights, as that is indeed possible in the lore. Perhaps that could be a titan-based story within your concept?

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by genegerbread View Post
    I feel like there's a lot of lore discrepancies and issues I have with this concept, but isn't the whole point of a fan-made expansion to be what the creator of the project wants? It's not unreasonable for Blizzard to actually get rid of borrowed power, rather it's unreasonable to expect them to do so.

    When I make my fan concepts, I ask what's unreasonable for Blizzard to actually get done in a certain time frame, not what I'd expect them to do or don't do (part of making a fan project is fulfilling a certain savvy for systems/content that doesn't exist but is possible in-game).

    A few other notes:
    1. I feel like the Twilight Highlands could better serve the red dragonflight story. After an expansion filled with death, having an entire zone surrounding liches seems a bit exhausting. For the blue dragonflight, might I suggest Storm Peaks? Has little to do with death, and you could elaborate on the titan story a little more.

    2. Having Nozdormu just be a fake image in End Time is a bit gimmicky... you could do something neat with time magic and make him "immune" to death (obviously eventually finding a way to kill him). That could help show how powerful he is, and could allow some exploration into some cool (but not story-changing) time travel mechanics

    3. Class specs seem interesting, but they're also very diverse. As Blizz starts reigning in specs back into class identities, I'm not sure if this is a reasonable thing to expect

    4. Talent tree with empty sockets + generic abilities sounds like a literal re-skin of Soulbinds and conduits

    5. Chromatus idea is cool. There's definitely not enough about him in WoW lore. Also, I do have to agree with you that it is viable to create more dragonflights, as that is indeed possible in the lore. Perhaps that could be a titan-based story within your concept?
    thanks for the feedback

    1. i chose that zone for the red dragons as a way to kinda cover both the dragon lore of galakrond and show that even the biggest and most powerful dragon we have and the biggest flight we have need back up from a past enemy and we still fail plus galakrond was the closest thing we got to a dracolich

    2. Us stopping the hour of twilight could work along with the whole "time is constantly in flux" thing which i think is more and more obvious as the lore goes

    3. kinda agree but honestly i have so much fun with blizz going crazy with stuff like S2M shadow in legion

    4. it absolutely is but personally i feel the problem with soulbinds is that theres 12 and so they all have to be different enough but kinda the same while lowering the amount can make the system fun but not seem like the core aspect of the game

    5. I originally had an idea where empowering the flights led to opening a titan compound and then chromatus would attempt to claim the power of an aspect

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    Sorry i don't like ur idea, didn't read full post but that idea alone is killing it for me
    Don't make lvling zones separate, we tried that in Cata and again in SL, and it still is a horrible idea, the idea of travel to each zone by portal, at most make it 1 zone portal and others connected
    4 zones isn't enough, i want return of 6 zones at least to lvl, for BOTH factions
    re-use of old zones but instance version is still a meh to me, prefer new but sometimes it hits its mark (i liked using Barrens in MoP for example, but generally i hate almost all else)
    Dragons can't reproduce and lost all their powers, i don't want to deal with them as main focus anymore, but that's negotiable if u can make it fit, problem is Deathwing who was most interesting dragon, became a joke in Cata
    its all good man its not gonna hit every itch but i do think i have some of your concerns covered

    i love the zones we have in WoW but it is kinda sad that they are so dead and legion campaigns kinda got me thinking they should reuse them all lol having them spread so much would likely lead to having some form of portal system or maybe even part of the dragonflight system gives you portal spells

    as for the dragons not reproducing im using the whole "they become aspects of Azeroth instead of the pantheon" part to kinda get past that while also taking advantage of the fact we dont know how many of each flight still exist

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    Two big issues. I don't see Blizzard making another 4 spec class. It's just way too much work.

    Two, the Titans made the Aspects so there's really no way to make new Aspects or revitalize their powers.
    4 specs can't be much more than adding a 3 spec job. And also, there is a way, the writers can create a new way to make them if they wanted to. They literally brought Illidan and Guldan back from the dead... in a manner of speaking

    To the op. I like it. It sounds fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    What you suggest is basically a bunch of reworked zones we already seen and yet another Deathwing-like boi. That's just not really interesting, seeing there are so many other new things to explore like Void Lords, Light and so on.

    It just pales in comparison to something like going head to head with Shadowguard, Dreadlords or forces of Light, which are all infinitely more interesting than yet another bunch of shitty dragons all over again.

    You legit propose Cataclysm 2.0, which is hilarious seeing how the 1.0 one was such a flop.
    To be honest though, their new lore sucks. This of course is my opinion. But their new writers were so quick to trample over old characters and old lore the game has suffered for it. Maybe going back a bit, and a change up of their writing personnel, would be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post

    Two, the Titans made the Aspects so there's really no way to make new Aspects or revitalize their powers.
    As dumb as OP's concept is, what you said isn't really correct considering we know the Titans and they're just chilling in the Seat of the Pantheon lecturing their brother right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    Dragons can't reproduce and lost all their powers, i don't want to deal with them as main focus anymore, but that's negotiable if u can make it fit, problem is Deathwing who was most interesting dragon, became a joke in Cata
    Dragons can reproduce. Only the Aspects' Dragonflights can't, because their physiology was altered by the titan powers that they lose in the fight against Deathwing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwimmerlaik View Post
    As dumb as OP's concept is, what you said isn't really correct considering we know the Titans and they're just chilling in the Seat of the Pantheon lecturing their brother right now.
    They're not just chilling. they are literally part of Sargeras' prison. If they leave, so does Sargeras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacotaco View Post
    Dragons can reproduce. Only the Aspects' Dragonflights can't, because their physiology was altered by the titan powers that they lose in the fight against Deathwing.
    No ALL dragons are sterile now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    They're not just chilling. they are literally part of Sargeras' prison. If they leave, so does Sargeras.

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    No ALL dragons are sterile now.
    Good thing we have a titan chilling out in our planet

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    They're not just chilling. they are literally part of Sargeras' prison. If they leave, so does Sargeras.

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    No ALL dragons are sterile now.
    Then we bring the dragons to THEM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwimmerlaik View Post
    Then we bring the dragons to THEM.
    just gonna point out we dont need the pantheon

    azeroth is slowly waking up

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    Melee dps spec

    flame scale:
    Two main mechanics
    Building draconic power
    Placing multiple DoTs onto the target and burning through them with a bigger ability

    Burning talon: deals fire damage and places a DoT on the target that lasts for X seconds. Generates draconic power. When empowered it places two stacks on the target and the damage and duration are doubled

    Scorching breath: deals fire damage in a cone leaving all targets hit with a DoT that lasts for X seconds. Generates draconic power. When empowered the targets explode upon expiration or removal of the DoT and the DoT spreads to anothe target for 50% damage and duration.

    Searing strike: an attack that deals damage to the target and removes one stack of all debuffs placed on them by the dragonsworn. Deals X% extra damage per DoT removed. Generates draconic power. When empowered damage is increased and it strikes up to 3 nearby allies

    Dragon rage: your body overflows with draconic power and for the duration your abilities are empowered. Requires 100 draconic power. Duration 20 seconds 1 min CD

    Dragon spirit: grants 100 draconic power and increases the duration of dragon rage by 50%

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    I’ll take basic dragons over whatever edgy or “clever” plans Blizzard undoubtedly holds for Dreadlords and Evil Light and the like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    we havent dealt with chromatus or galakrond in game
    galakrond is dead lol,how do you wanna deal with him?

    and chromatus,wasnt he defeated by the dragons and thrall in a book or something?this guy should have been the boss instead of ultraxion imo but w/e

    and i get people like dragons and stuff,but we will 100% never get a dragon focused expansion,there is almost nothing there,the best we can get is a patch thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    galakrond is dead lol,how do you wanna deal with him?

    and chromatus,wasnt he defeated by the dragons and thrall in a book or something?this guy should have been the boss instead of ultraxion imo but w/e

    and i get people like dragons and stuff,but we will 100% never get a dragon focused expansion,there is almost nothing there,the best we can get is a patch thing
    Galakrond is dead
    However
    His remains are so infused with power they corrupted magic items
    A map of the zone was datamined without his skeleton a few years back
    We are upsetting death currently
    He is the reason the aspects were created

    Chromatus is also dead and his remains are sealed meaning they can be unsealed

    As much as I don’t like SL as an expansion I do think the fact we are messing with death could be used as an “opening Pandora’s box” situation

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    Also can we stop saying there’s not enough dragon stuff for an expansion

    You have a possible continent
    Dragon isles

    You have a big enemy
    The infinite

    You have more lore than MoP did lol
    It’s definitely possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacotaco View Post
    Dragons can reproduce. Only the Aspects' Dragonflights can't, because their physiology was altered by the titan powers that they lose in the fight against Deathwing.
    did u miss entire Azuna questlines in Legion or did blizz shit on it as usual? the entire zone is about how we rescue blue dragonlings from getting mana sucked and die because there is no replacement to them
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    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    did u miss entire Azuna questlines in Legion or did blizz shit on it as usual? the entire zone is about how we rescue blue dragonlings from getting mana sucked and die because there is no replacement to them
    How that contradicts what I said? Those are Blue dragons of the Blue Dragonflight, a dragonflight created by Norgannon.
    Meanwhile, you have the Storm Dragons at Highmountain breeding without problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacotaco View Post
    How that contradicts what I said? Those are Blue dragons of the Blue Dragonflight, a dragonflight created by Norgannon.
    Meanwhile, you have the Storm Dragons at Highmountain breeding without problem.
    Which begs the question as to how these "other" dragonflights even exist in the first place.

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