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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Sariengrey View Post
    Just a bunch of sheep who follow to TBC. The "Classic" crowd was never a thing.
    Must be the reason why Classic was such a huge success, because the people wanting to play it didn't exist

  2. #182
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    In a couple weeks we'll know just how popular vanilla still is.

    I'm sure people will filter in and out of it forever. New guilds will pop up with 30-50 people wanting to relive it... again. Everyone has sat on comms and got into the 'remember when' nostalgia conversation. But in the past, you could never go back and do it again.

    Now we can. And that's a good thing.

  3. #183
    Killed by retail players who went "yoink, now this is mine," I guess.

  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Sariengrey View Post
    Just a bunch of sheep who follow to TBC. The "Classic" crowd was never a thing. Private servers? yeah whatever. But Blizz gave people what they thought they, the people, wanted and its basically been proven to have been untrue. Classic is a graveyard now. The player base didnt really want it except for 24 months...Blizz was right
    The classic crowd is the hundreds of thousands of people who played the whole of classic and had fun.

    If you expected them to play classic for 2 years and just re-play it for the rest of their lives, you are delusional.

  5. #185
    As many other people have already said, I would assume the majority of the 'hardcore' vanilla players probably went back to p-servers given the era server will not reset and will remain on nax patch.

    A lot of the p-server played would stick around until Nax and then the hosts of the p-server would introduce another realm which starts from the first patch again to experience it all again.

    For myself once was enough and I had my fun with vanilla but I will look forward to TBC, WOTLK and hopefully CATA/MOP as I enjoyed all them expansion for different reasons

  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by Felrane View Post
    They went back to private servers. Classic being stuck at naxx patch with everyone in teir 3 is boring.
    This is me. Awaiting the launch (soon) of a promising looking private server that has made just enough changes to make me excited to play Vanilla again.

    TBC just doesn't really interest me, I play Vanilla or Retail, the in-betweens aren't my thing.
    Last edited by Froggy; 2021-06-01 at 03:44 PM.

  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    And I imagine hardly anybody is in reality if that's the case. What percent of people enjoy the grind of 1-60 enough to wipe their toon and restart completely? Not a lot I would guess, not a lot at all
    But why is it necessary to wipe the progress? Keep the servers in one mega cluster and just open one new Fresh realm. All who want a new start will switch to it. Once that fresh realm goes through all the phases connect it to the rest and open a new Fresh server. This is the cycle.
    Also I can give you Diablo's seasons as an example or its Hardcore mode. There clearly is a demographic which enjoys such play style. And in my opinion it is more than enough for Blizzard to consider it.
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  8. #188
    Have one pve, one PvP, one RP and then one seasonal server of each. Allow “copy” from seasonal to era and restart the seasonal with tight phasing every 9 months.

  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by Thundering View Post
    if classic+ content would have come i would choice it over tbc, the main issue is content.
    Until WotLK comes out i don't expect ANY kind of classic+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    wrath was trash and everyone not a wrathbaby blinded by bias and nostalgia knows it
    3.0 and 3.1 were perfect, it went downhill after the much too early release of 3.2. And that's actually the fault of cataclysm too, since they already were so extremely behind the schedule so that they couldn't create more content for wrath because of cata.
    Last edited by Velerios; 2021-06-03 at 06:47 AM.

  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    those people never wanted to play an eternal vanila,those people have a serious boner for constant resets,they either restart on new private servers or in the case of smarter devs play on servers with an constant reseting realm+a token permanent one

    its the same reason why diablo 3 still is popular,seasons
    That kinda goes against the whole point of a MMORPG, then again so does being stuck on the same patch for eternity.

    Maybe that's why FFXIV is growing so much. WoW has just gotten worse and worse over the years but FFXIV seems to get better and better so people are actually excited to play the latest stuff.

  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    I actually wanted a complete remaster with modern graphics and maybe some coveinience GUI updates that wont affect the gameplay. The way how blizzard deliberately recreated every flaw was a spit on everyone's face, except the hardcore vanilloids waited such spit with their tongue out
    And that's why I was against "classic" from the beginning. Everyone has their own little perfect version and everyone was going to be let down.
    The most difficult thing for people to do is objectively look at something they don't like and be able to accept that it is not bad, that other people like it, and if it was changed to the way they'd like it that other people would not like it and want it changed back. The second most is to receive something they didn't want or ask for and be grateful for it, not immediately demand what they wanted instead.

  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    And that's why I was against "classic" from the beginning. Everyone has their own little perfect version and everyone was going to be let down.
    It was a huge success, so much so that Blizzard came back for Round 2, but yeah I'm sure you're right.

  13. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by Echo of Soul View Post
    That kinda goes against the whole point of a MMORPG, then again so does being stuck on the same patch for eternity.

    Maybe that's why FFXIV is growing so much. WoW has just gotten worse and worse over the years but FFXIV seems to get better and better so people are actually excited to play the latest stuff.
    the fact that an mmo all about playing dress up is potentialy the biggest mmo says a lot about the deplorable state of the genre

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velerios View Post
    3.0 and 3.1 were perfect, it went downhill after the much too early release of 3.2. And that's actually the fault of cataclysm too, since they already were so extremely behind the schedule so that they couldn't create more content for wrath because of cata.
    LOL,i hope this is some kind of sarcasm,the early patches were the worst

    the ammount of crazy unbalance was insane...prot warrior 1 shoting people,arcane barage doing almost as much dmg as a pyro,ret pala 1 shoting,dk being a literal god

    the pve content getting cleared in day 1 of release,there has never been a more joke of a day 1 release for an expansion

  14. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister K View Post
    WotLK is MVP and everyone knows it. Servers, history of AT and game itself. Can't bloody wait!
    Naxx 2.0 and trial of the crusader, ruby sanctum (doesn't really count). Wotlk basicslly only had 2 raid tiers. Wrath also started giving out free welfare epics. I like wrath for the cool factor, but honestly it's pretty over rated simply because Arthas and DK class is cool.
    Last edited by GreenJesus; 2021-06-03 at 07:31 AM.

  15. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    dk being a literal god
    The first half of wrath was so much fun from a character customization perspective if you were playing a DK. So many different fun and interesting builds but of course Blizzard had to stomp all of them into the ground because we weren't playing the class the way that they wanted us to.
    I really wish that they would've embraced that and made it a design philosophy for all the classes going forward but it's been like this at Blizzard for a very long time now, they have a very clear path of how they want us to play their game and if we deviate from that path they smack us on the head and put us back on track.

  16. #196
    If they have the technology worked out to bring back old files to make it a live game again... Copy paste bug fix profit. Why wouldn't they? Hell they could do seasons with vanilla down the road give out base template character here ya go. If they have already got the hard stuff figured out their time vs capital gained they'd be stupid not to milk it.
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  17. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    LOL,i hope this is some kind of sarcasm,the early patches were the worst

    the ammount of crazy unbalance was insane...prot warrior 1 shoting people,arcane barage doing almost as much dmg as a pyro,ret pala 1 shoting,dk being a literal god
    There are people who care about PvP, and people who don't; i'm clearly one of the ones who doesn't care at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    the pve content getting cleared in day 1 of release,there has never been a more joke of a day 1 release for an expansion
    Yep, Naxx was rehashed; but many people didn't had the chance to play naxx in the vanilla days back then and 3.1 had one of the best raids blizzard ever created. Oh yes, and Malygos... ok, this was absolute shit!

  18. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by Lashiec View Post
    It was a huge success, so much so that Blizzard came back for Round 2, but yeah I'm sure you're right.
    Yeah, just look at all the talk. "It would've been tough but they used the 1.12 talents, this isn't real vanilla." "They used <insert patch here> for Alterac Valley, this isn't real vanilla." So on and so forth.
    The most difficult thing for people to do is objectively look at something they don't like and be able to accept that it is not bad, that other people like it, and if it was changed to the way they'd like it that other people would not like it and want it changed back. The second most is to receive something they didn't want or ask for and be grateful for it, not immediately demand what they wanted instead.

  19. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by Prozach View Post
    Vanilla is like a graveyard now. This after years and years of people either playing illegally on private servers (because it was so much more fun than retail) and/or demanding that Vanilla be re-released. I for sure thought they would play Vanilla forever. I guess 2 years was enough to satisfy the decade-long controversy.
    This is like you saying that Super Mario World is a great game and I ask you why you don't play it everyday. Most people get burned out by games and it takes a few weeks or months to reignite the interest or passion again

  20. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by Fmr View Post
    This is like you saying that Super Mario World is a great game and I ask you why you don't play it everyday. Most people get burned out by games and it takes a few weeks or months to reignite the interest or passion again
    This analogy is horrible on so many levels. But, just to focus on the most obvious, there wasn't a 100k+ petition for Nintendo to re-release Super Mario World on current consoles. Because, well...it already is. And has been on pretty much every Nintendo console. And isn't an MMORPG. And people weren't forced to break the law in order to play it. Ok, I mentioned more than one but you get the point (hopefully). The reason WoW Classic exists is because so many people alleged that there were *not* "burned out by it".

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