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  1. #421
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    The side effects and concerns with teh vaccine? That does have grounds in science and they have even admitted they are concerned about it. You ignore that science because it doesn't fit your totalitarian stance.
    No one has ignored the science that says side effects exist and that some could be troubling. Those side effects though are rare and much rarer or less dangerous then those you can get from contracting COVID-19. Stop making this about a totalitarian state when you are the one that is afraid and can't handle the state you already live in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    Say the one who continues to ignore the growing concernes of heart damage from the vaccines and wants people to be forced to risk their heart health and inject the drug anyway. ANd by the way, the CDC is corrupt and beholden to the government. It should not be blindly followed in anyway.
    I have never once ignored it. Stop creating a fantasy just so you can keep raging about totalitarianism. The side effects are rare and being monitored. If it becomes an issue it will be paused and investigated just like happened with the J&J vaccine. The CDC is not corrupt. It has just as much scientific value as every thing else.

    You tipped your hand though and showed it isn't about vaccines, side effects, or any other science. But it is about corrupt governments and politics. Which is why you have to keep yelling about being controlled and the totalitarian government. You are nothing put a conspiracy theorist latching on to any little bit of science that you can use to try and bludgeon your way to an intelligent objection.
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  2. #422
    Quote Originally Posted by Meurik View Post
    I haven't had COVID myself yet, but several members in my family DID and STILL have serious health issues due to COVID. Which is why I take major offense at anyone in this thread trying to pass COVID off as "not a real pandemic", "fake" etc.
    You are being completely dishonest. There is a massive difference between calling the virus fake and the pandemic. NOBODY called the virus fake. You are blatantly misusing the word pandemic.

    Also, we are no againsth the vaccine,so you can stop that disigenuous BS right there. We are for "individual choice" which means if you want to vaccinate, great. IF you don't, great. Stop misrepresenting our position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    You didn't prove Jack shit.

    I never said they can't do a show without international attendance, I said the show is fairly pointless without it, and I point at Blizzard forgoing a US only Blizzcon an example of that.
    Not why they foregoed it at all. They canceld for safety reasons, not because of that internationals nonsense.

    Otherwise think of it this way - I fully agree that Blizzard could do a US only convention. Now explain to me why they are not.
    Safety reasons. has ZERO to do with internationals.

    Whether you think they _can_ does not address the fact they have chosen not to, and have their reasons for doing so. I've explained that much of Blizzcon is hinged on showing floor demos, international esports, having international attendance (uniting guildmates from around the world) and encouraging people exploring the entire show floor. What Blizzcon can not be equated to is a seated event where everyone is a physically distanced in a controlled manner. And where it's concerned for a smaller venue that isn't supposed to actually replicate the full Blizzcon event, they've already stated approaching a smaller scale limited person event with plans to announce later.

    Blizzard has been pretty transparent that Blizzcon itself doesn't net them a whole lot of money, and they work at a loss in order to garner the publicity and long-term support of fans. That's very different from sports and entertainment shows, whose very business is built around live events.
    And again, they have already
    shown how to have the e-sports events And it is funny you say you never said they can't do a show without ingterntaionals and then go on to say in the same post that it "hinges on internationals" SO, woithout directly saying the exact word, you actually did say that they can't hold the show without internationals with that quote And,again, I pointed to an event that does everything Blizzcon does and you continue to ignore it.

    I have proven that Blizzard can have the event. You continue to deflect by parroting the same debunked claims over and over again.
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  3. #423
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    You are being completely dishonest. There is a massive difference between calling the virus fake and the pandemic. NOBODY called the virus fake. You are blatantly misusing the word pandemic.
    A pandemic is just a epidemic of a disease that has spread across a large region. Typically countries or the world. COVID-19 has done that so it is a pandemic. To call the pandemic fake is to call a portion of COVID-19 fake.
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  4. #424
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    ofc the amount of years is still relevant, obviously after working 20y on videogames they wont start selling bananas for living you fool...
    "within a year or so"... more like 3 for Morhaime, more for others... like i said, some seniors members left during wotlk, hell one of founders left in 2004, then returned, then left again...
    as a payroll accountant i can tell you employee fluctuation is absolutely normal, especialy in big companies, where i work little over 7y is average, actualy lower (little under 6.5y) for managers, people leaving after 10-20y is not surprising in any way...
    Of course people can change career path. They do it all the time. My mom as a corporate secretary for 30 years, get fed up for it and started working in healthcare. There's a famous story of a man who was the leader of the Rigshospitalet in Copenhagen for 25 years getting fed up with it and working as a store clerk in a super market chain called IRMA.

    My redirectino was less extreme - I switched from working in public IT to doing hardcore computational mathematics in a finantial technology firm. Incidentally we have like 40 people here with over 30 years of working for the company! 30!

    I wouldn't necessarily say it's common, but it can happen. They're not switching career path - heck their product is not even switching genres!

    Morhaime left in the middle of 2019. It's been about 1½-2 years now. The people who joined him left 6 months ago~ish, all of them.

    I know well that employee fluctuation is normal - but it's the amount of it. It's quite revealing.

  5. #425
    they have nothing new to show, overwatch 2 and diablo 4 is still years and years away, next wow expansion nowhere near ready to be shown obviously, maybe just another hearthstone expansion and some new mobile game would be all to show

  6. #426
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    Not why they foregoed it at all. They canceld for safety reasons, not because of that internationals nonsense.
    Right, and I never said they cancelled it *because of* the internationals. It's one of many factors *not to have* a full live Blizzcon event this year. We already know they're planning a smaller limited person event in the future.

    It's why they literally mentioned 'We know some of you might be wondering about your own plans to potentially cross the country—not to mention oceans—and meet your friends, family, and fellow community members in California'

    And like you said, there are regulations that allow for a US only event - but I don't think they are interested in doing that, otherwise they can just plan it that way. I don't see what is in conflict here.

    I don't think that next year's Blizzcon will be a US-only event even if they choose to have smaller in-person gatherings. Not quite sure why you think that means they *can't* have a Blizzcon.

    And it is funny you say you never said they can't do a show without ingterntaionals and then go on to say in the same post that it "hinges on internationals" SO, woithout directly saying the exact word
    Because they do? I mean that is the core experience of Blizzcon, and why they even mention people *crossing oceans* to attend. They further reinforce the point by saying they are still planning a global event.

    That doesn't tell me they're forgoing the international attendance to do a US-only event. My interpretation here. As I said, there's more to it than just the covid safety reasons thing, since you've already illustrated other events that can happen. I'm saying Blizzard's actions speak otherwise.

    I mean either way, we're both speaking out on calling out reasons that can't be confirmed. You say they can absolutely do a US event - I never disagreed, but clearly Blizzard has disagreed by cancelling the event this year instead of making the shift to a US only event. Instead it's moved to next year with limited gatherings, with details yet to be said. Does that mean US-only event? I don't think that confirms it. Otherwise I see no reason for them to mention they continue to carry out Blizzcon as a *global* event. Their words, not mine.

    You are being completely dishonest. There is a massive difference between calling the virus fake and the pandemic. NOBODY called the virus fake. You are blatantly misusing the word pandemic.
    I know this wasn't directed at me, but just wondering what your stance is on the word 'pandemic'. I feel like this is relevant to how I'd go about understanding your views on the situation.

    I feel like you are implying that you think the pandemic is 'fake', and that you may be using evidence of Wrestlemania and other events to support your argument. Would this be correct? And I figure this implies why you are trying to 'call Blizzard's bullshit' on using what you consider non-existent 'safety reasons' as a means to cancel Blizzcon this year?

    If I'm following this correctly, then I'd address this by saying whatever you personally feel about the pandemic being a real thing or not, Blizzard says and feels otherwise. And whether truthful or under guise of an excuse, their plans are being made to avoid a Blizzcon this year, and work towards a smaller venue in the future. And I personally interpret their message to maintaining it as an international venue, rather than close it off as a US-only enterprise. Of course, I may be wrong, and maybe 'small in-person gatherings' could mean US-only. However as I interpret it, they are keeping it a global event, and I don't see them forgoing the international stuff for the sake of maintaining the event. I don't see how any of this actually conflicts with anything you've said outside of your personal beliefs that they *should* make a US only convention, which I've been explaining is not the direction they are taking. If they didn't believe a pandemic exists, I'm sure they wouldn't use the word in their own statements.
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    Blizzard no longer have the kind of people that want to put on an event like this. Morhaime and Metzen were 2 of the biggest reasons why Blizzcon existed, so with them gone, people like J. Allen "bitter" Brack and Ion Hazznoclue are happy to say goodbye to being on stage in front of people that might challenge there god complex delusions of strategy.

  8. #428
    Quote Originally Posted by khazmodan View Post
    Blizzard no longer have the kind of people that want to put on an event like this. Morhaime and Metzen were 2 of the biggest reasons why Blizzcon existed, so with them gone, people like J. Allen "bitter" Brack and Ion Hazznoclue are happy to say goodbye to being on stage in front of people that might challenge there god complex delusions of strategy.
    You just described the problem being the people attending rather then the people presenting. Why would you hold an event when people are paying money just to be obnoxious and trolls? Also considering Morhaime and Metzen were often a small part of the presentations that is a silly conspiracy anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    You just described the problem being the people attending rather then the people presenting. Why would you hold an event when people are paying money just to be obnoxious and trolls? Also considering Morhaime and Metzen were often a small part of the presentations that is a silly conspiracy anyways.
    Thinking that people are spending over a thousand dollars to go to Blizzcon just to be obnoxious trolls is a lot more of a conspiracy theory. These players going to Blizzcon just wanted to see the best that Blizzard could create, but lately its been more about how much Blizzard can milk the players for what loyalty is left.

  10. #430
    Quote Originally Posted by khazmodan View Post
    Thinking that people are spending over a thousand dollars to go to Blizzcon just to be obnoxious trolls is a lot more of a conspiracy theory. These players going to Blizzcon just wanted to see the best that Blizzard could create, but lately its been more about how much Blizzard can milk the players for what loyalty is left.
    You are the one that said two Blizzard employees are "happy to say goodbye to being on stage in front of people that might challenge there god complex delusions of strategy". It is amusing how you agree with me that your claim is a conspiracy theory lol. There are plenty of people that like Blizzard games and what they are creating. It instead sounds like you are one of the many jaded players who love to hate everything about blizzard but can't stop playing or discussing their games or the company.
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  11. #431
    Quote Originally Posted by jk1895 View Post
    This does not have such a big impact and is overrated to distract.
    The reasons for many deaths at the beginning of the "pandemic" were
    Panic was stirred up by the media.
    Panicked people rushing the hospitals.
    Panicked doctors engage in actionism.
    Incompetent doctors stubbornly follow the wrong treatment recommendations of the Chinese.
    Far too many artificial respirations done too early.
    More panic arose and leads to the weakening of the immune system.
    Very many other mistakes were made.


    All this is already researched, but is denied by the incompetent politicians and corrupt media, because they are to blame for so much suffering.
    In many countries, politicians must now use force to beat the "pandemic" into the people. (Wear a mask so you never forget we have a plague!)! Totalitarianism, police state, dictatorial conditions arose in many countries. Fundamental rights are trampled!


    Yeah, I personally don't think it's a conspiracy. It is much simpler!
    1. sheer stupidity! The humanity is stupid since the beginning of time!
    2. psychopaths rule the world! The higher the position, the higher the degree of psychopathy!
    and the most important is the third point
    3. most people are hopelessly superficial! After the slogan, rather I play my life long World of Warcraft, instead of that I read times a philosophical book. That is why people do not know about the danger of psychopathy. They do not deal with the meaninglessness of life and death. Become panic, if one shows them pictures of a few coffins and howling doctors. This worked in the Middle Ages and it still works today.

    .
    The irony of you preaching anything about philosophy, yet your own "philosophical preaching comments" show how bad your cognitive dissonance is, seems legit. You know nothing of that of which you speak.

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    Oh no, its retarded.
    LOL, you deserve an award for the best comment of the entire thread. That was absolute gold haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    I think the mojo got lost in the early 2010s somewhere.
    I've had the theory for some years now, based on interviews and a couple of films, that the failure of Titan was a trauma for Blizzard management. I don't think they've ever really recovered from that. Sure, they managed to salvage Overwatch from that but again, that was a salvage job from a failed project. They've been as dry as a bone for new games ever since. It's a timeline that people should think about.

    I'll repeat that with their old-line management people gone Brack has an opportunity to put Blizzard back on track but he'll have to break the corporate culture to do that. I'm not sure he's that heavy a hitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    I've had the theory for some years now, based on interviews and a couple of films, that the failure of Titan was a trauma for Blizzard management. I don't think they've ever really recovered from that. Sure, they managed to salvage Overwatch from that but again, that was a salvage job from a failed project. They've been as dry as a bone for new games ever since. It's a timeline that people should think about.
    I don't think that has anything to do with it really. Blizzard just has a glacial pace for games. WoW is the only thing they have had to do quickly and they have been hit or miss on that. Remember they even wanted to speed up the rates they delivered expansions for WoW. Even with out the failure of titan they still were not producing anything. We also have had some high profile developers move to "unnamed" projects. Could those have been the various next game in existing IP? Sure.

    But it is more likely that there has been way more concepts and other games not brought to the table. Or Blizzard really just can't pump out games of any type.
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  14. #434
    Wasn't it more like the opposite? OW was such a massive success initially that Blizard stuggled with their newly set bar of what constitutes success.
    Edit: To put this into perspective, the 50 mio OW sold, is higher than any CoD game. That certainly put them into the focus.
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  15. #435
    Quote Originally Posted by Dystemper View Post
    Blizzard is dead
    fixed that for you. if it isn't clear by this point that the blizz we loved no longer exists to you, i can only say your ignorant. i don't mean that in an insulting way. there are days i wish i was ignorant so i could just learn to love life. i actually envy you if you still have hope.

  16. #436
    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Wasn't it more like the opposite? OW was such a massive success initially that Blizard stuggled with their newly set bar of what constitutes success.
    Edit: To put this into perspective, the 50 mio OW sold, is higher than any CoD game. That certainly put them into the focus.
    That is a bit of a misrepresentation. Overwatch is a single game that has sold 50 million copies in 4 years. CoD has sold more then 20 million copies 8 times. That is 8 out of 18 releases breaking 20+ million. Some of those were back to back. 2009 to 2015 were all 20+ million.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    That is a bit of a misrepresentation. Overwatch is a single game that has sold 50 million copies in 4 years. CoD has sold more then 20 million copies 8 times. That is 8 out of 18 releases breaking 20+ million. Some of those were back to back. 2009 to 2015 were all 20+ million.
    Doesn't really matter. Their intial sales were around 20+ million in the first year, which puts them into the heavy hitter category of ActiBlizz flagship titles and the expectations that come with it. For a "salvage job" it certainly outperformed any reasonable expectations anyone could have for an MMO (which Titan supposedly was) at that point in time, as probably no one would believe Titan would reach and maintain old WoW numbers again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    I've had the theory for some years now, based on interviews and a couple of films, that the failure of Titan was a trauma for Blizzard management. I don't think they've ever really recovered from that. Sure, they managed to salvage Overwatch from that but again, that was a salvage job from a failed project. They've been as dry as a bone for new games ever since. It's a timeline that people should think about.

    I'll repeat that with their old-line management people gone Brack has an opportunity to put Blizzard back on track but he'll have to break the corporate culture to do that. I'm not sure he's that heavy a hitter.
    Funny how Titan was cancelled in 2013. Wether it was the cause or the effect of the lost mojo is a different question, but it fits the timeline. As for a failed project breaking them...I don't want to bring Final Fantasy XIV up all the time. I really don't. But we all know when it was first released it was worse than Daikatana and look where they got now. Maybe Titan needed a Yoshida. Who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Funny how Titan was cancelled in 2013. Wether it was the cause or the effect of the lost mojo is a different question, but it fits the timeline. As for a failed project breaking them...I don't want to bring Final Fantasy XIV up all the time. I really don't. But we all know when it was first released it was worse than Daikatana and look where they got now. Maybe Titan needed a Yoshida. Who knows?
    They made a 3-part documentary about Overwatch. The first part was dedicated mostly to the fall and cancellation of Titan. It's worth watching if you haven't seen it. It's pretty honest and you can tell that everyone on the Titan team was highly invested and that the cancellation was something of a trauma for everyone. Keep in mind that while Titan was cancelled in 2013 it had been in development since about 2007. The film is celebratory in that they managed to save something from Titan's wreckage and make it work. However, it doesn't take any imagination to wonder how the team that worked on Titan for years felt when no one ever saw their work. And it's not difficult to compare their corporate behavior pre-cancellation and post.

    I honestly don't think Blizzard has been the same since. Eventually a team of 140 developers and artists was cut to 40 to see what could be salvaged.

    This 3-part thing on Overwatch is well done by the way. Here's a link to the first part in case you haven't seen it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq-H...meSpotGameSpot
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    They made a 3-part documentary about Overwatch. The first part was dedicated mostly to the fall and cancellation of Titan. It's worth watching if you haven't seen it. It's pretty honest and you can tell that everyone on the Titan team was highly invested and that the cancellation was something of a trauma for everyone. Keep in mind that while Titan was cancelled in 2013 it had been in development since about 2007. The film is celebratory in that they managed to save something from Titan's wreckage and make it work. However, it doesn't take any imagination to wonder how the team that worked on Titan for years felt when no one ever saw their work. And it's not difficult to compare their corporate behavior pre-cancellation and post.

    I honestly don't think Blizzard has been the same since. Eventually a team of 140 developers and artists was cut to 40 to see what could be salvaged.

    This 3-part thing on Overwatch is well done by the way. Here's a link to the first part in case you haven't seen it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq-H...meSpotGameSpot
    Thank you for the link. Will definitely watch it. In return here is the link for the 3-part documentary on FFXIV. It is very enlightening even if you don't care about Final Fantasy. Lots of details about how game development or project management works. Doesn't include more recent developments like covid or Soken's cancer, but gives a lot of details about relaunch. And it even talks about several Blizzard games and how influential they were.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs0yQKI7Yw4&t=3s

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