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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    20% of the population. 100% of the world's deadliest pandemics in the 21st century
    Turns out you can only have 1 of the world's deadliest pandemic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    it’s mostly a syndicalist fantasy that “the workers” are going to rise up, which is disconnected from the fact that “the workers” are your racist uncle and jerk co-workers who you don’t like.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    The election has passed and 58 million working class Americans stood up and proved that they are in fact your racist uncle and jerk co-workers.
    They really can't help but show disdain for the working class.

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    Once you have had one major issue it's normal that people pay more attention to similar events, similarly as Generals always fight the last war, - even if the new major problem is likely to be something completely different; that's why we will get a bit more reports about various diseases jumping to humans for awhile - especially in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    20% of the population. 100% of the world's deadliest pandemics in the 21st century
    The second part is debatable.

    The HIV/Aids epidemic/pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_HIV/AIDS continued into the 21st century, and has so for taken perhaps 10-15 million lives during the 21st century. Covid-19 is on the way to beating that - but it doesn't seem like it has so far.

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    I wonder if they'll manage to turn this one into a pandemic? They seem pretty good at it.
    It's not "reverse racism", it's just racism. Demonising white people is not okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    20% of the population. 100% of the world's deadliest pandemics in the 21st century
    For a host of reasons, including population density, uneven development with extensive rural regions, and its importance as a central trading/manufacturing hub allowing for viruses that pop up to be more easily transmissible domestically and internationally. Tons of these viruses pop up every year and transfer to humans, we just rarely hear about any since they're largely isolated incidents in parts of the world that aren't as connected so domestic and especially international transmission is extremely rare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morae View Post
    These diseases are being generated due to how they handle animals and other such things. Even once corona is gone or not a problem anymore, it is only a matter of time until another just pops up.
    Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I don’t think COVID was “random”. There’s a chance it is, but I’m doubting it for now.
    Last edited by muto; 2021-06-05 at 04:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    Once you have had one major issue it's normal that people pay more attention to similar events, similarly as Generals always fight the last war, - even if the new major problem is likely to be something completely different; that's why we will get a bit more reports about various diseases jumping to humans for awhile - especially in China.

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    The second part is debatable.

    The HIV/Aids epidemic/pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_HIV/AIDS continued into the 21st century, and has so for taken perhaps 10-15 million lives during the 21st century. Covid-19 is on the way to beating that - but it doesn't seem like it has so far.
    we do have severe case of un-reported cases on covid 19 deaths.Plus Aids takes time time to kill and spread, Covid seems to move much faster on both those fronts especially among the elderly

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    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I don’t think COVID was “random”. There’s a chance it is, but I’m doubting it for now.
    Without strong evidence you pretty much are.
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    it’s mostly a syndicalist fantasy that “the workers” are going to rise up, which is disconnected from the fact that “the workers” are your racist uncle and jerk co-workers who you don’t like.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    The election has passed and 58 million working class Americans stood up and proved that they are in fact your racist uncle and jerk co-workers.
    They really can't help but show disdain for the working class.

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    disturbing amount of racism in this thread already

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    All the socialists are drooling at all the welfare they can beg from the government if this catches on again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelk View Post
    disturbing amount of racism in this thread already
    Pretty standard for MMO-C, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluttershy View Post
    All the socialists are drooling at all the welfare they can beg from the government if this catches on again.
    Letting unemployed people suffer and die, killing off the economy, to own the libs.

    Man, your hate would be way less annoying if it wasn't so empty-headed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Letting unemployed people suffer and die, killing off the economy, to own the libs.

    Man, your hate would be way less annoying if it wasn't so empty-headed.
    capitalist's have about as solid a grasp of capitalist theory as they do any other type of economic system, which is they don't know capitalism from a hole in the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluttershy View Post
    All the socialists are drooling at all the welfare they can beg from the government if this catches on again.
    Are you for real? If people are denied the right to work by the government, then it is only fair that the government provides for them, the need to eat and have shelter do not dissipate in a pandemic.
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    Remember, legally no one sane takes Tucker Carlson seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Hopefully China is being more forthcoming with news of this disease this time around, instead of like last time where they covered it up and silenced doctors until it was painfully clear something was going on that far exceeded their control which then spread to the rest of the world, potentially far earlier than they ever admitted, and landed the entire globe in a year-long shutdown with millions dead.

    And, as I and others have noted... where's the fundamental change, here? SARS, COVID and now this thing at first look, whether it turns out to be contagious and dangerous or not, all seem to stem from the absolutely deplorable conditions involved in handling livestock, both domesticated and imported, within China. With all of China's authoritarian overreach, why is none of it being used to shut down, or at least improve, these utterly unsanitary conditions? I mean I don't personally consider it an inalienable human right to buy half-starved, diseased exotic animals stacked upon eachother in crates to prop up quack medicine. I'd think China doing away with those would earn them nothing but praise internationally.

    Other countries have large farms. Other countries have zoonotic bacterial and viral diseases. But why is it that China stands alone in being the sole epidemiological center of two zoonotic disease outbreaks in less than two decades? Are people figuring that it's just "random bad luck?" Because I'd think a third jump, regardless of eventual intensity, should be cause for some damn concern.


    Now don't get it twisted. This is not me calling COVID "Chyna virus!" or some attempt to pass the buck off from the flagrant and appalling domestic mismanagement and misinformation over COVID, especially that spouted by Trump and his sycophants. I'm not some conspiracy theorist that thinks it was brewed up in a lab or was some malicious action taken by China specifically. But I think it's fairly evident that the Chinese government at the outset of COVID was neither forthcoming with their information ("they didn't want to cause a panic!" falls pretty hollow when they're going out of their way to silence medical professionals and, seeing what happened, maybe some panic was due) nor willing to act until it was far too late.

    So like I said. Whatever this thing is... I sure hope that they're accurate THIS TIME in saying that they've got it contained to one guy, and that it hasn't been knocking around China for months and is already among the rest of the world and they just plum didn't think to tell anyone about it. And maybe they're due for a little introspection on their laws dictating animal husbandry in China. Which, frankly, they should have been doing regardless of this second virus and should do regardless of how harmful or harmless it turns out being.
    It's because China is a vast and diverse area that ranges from almost pre-industrial levels of agriculture and poverty to cities that rival the most modernised on Earth. Rapid development and a dense population means they're experiencing the challenges that faced places like Europe over centuries in a matter of decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    20% of the population. 100% of the world's deadliest pandemics in the 21st century
    Swine 'flu was traced back to Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    It's because China is a vast and diverse area that ranges from almost pre-industrial levels of agriculture and poverty to cities that rival the most modernised on Earth. Rapid development and a dense population means they're experiencing the challenges that faced places like Europe over centuries in a matter of decades.

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    Swine 'flu was traced back to Mexico.
    Maybe they should get on upgrading the “can cause global pandemic” holes in said infrastructure as a priority
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Maybe they should get on upgrading the “can cause global pandemic” holes in said infrastructure as a priority
    With how easily it spread in most, richer, countries I doubt they are the only ones.
    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    it’s mostly a syndicalist fantasy that “the workers” are going to rise up, which is disconnected from the fact that “the workers” are your racist uncle and jerk co-workers who you don’t like.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    The election has passed and 58 million working class Americans stood up and proved that they are in fact your racist uncle and jerk co-workers.
    They really can't help but show disdain for the working class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    With how easily it spread in most, richer, countries I doubt they are the only ones.
    Except it didn’t originate in those countries.

    Again, do you think “China originating two separate zoonotic disease pandemics within the past 20 years and now displaying a third disease jump” is just “cracking bad luck” on their part?
    “Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Except it didn’t originate in those countries.

    Again, do you think “China originating two separate zoonotic disease pandemics within the past 20 years and now displaying a third disease jump” is just “cracking bad luck” on their part?
    Seeing as it holds 20% of the world population, yes. and the bird flu only killed 455 people, hardly the big scary pandemic you think it was[it was an epidemic at best]


    Did we also forget that Countries like the US and UK had way more infections than even China? Pandemics have always been a treat, but most countries did have serious plans to deal with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    it’s mostly a syndicalist fantasy that “the workers” are going to rise up, which is disconnected from the fact that “the workers” are your racist uncle and jerk co-workers who you don’t like.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    The election has passed and 58 million working class Americans stood up and proved that they are in fact your racist uncle and jerk co-workers.
    They really can't help but show disdain for the working class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Except it didn’t originate in those countries.

    Again, do you think “China originating two separate zoonotic disease pandemics within the past 20 years and now displaying a third disease jump” is just “cracking bad luck” on their part?
    These pop up fairly frequently, actually, just usually in more isolated areas where the risk of transmission outside of whatever locality it appears in is minimal.

    China is unique in that it's densely populated (though not too unique, other countries have similarly dense populations even at smaller scales, then you have India etc.) but also because it's a central trading/manufacturing hub for the world, so if anything starts infecting people in that central supply chain the risk of the infection going global is extremely high.

    The bigger issue with this is if it's transmissible, and if it's not easily transmissible we likely won't see a repeat. Thankfully this seems like the latter.

    But aside from that we're still back at, "Scientists and medical professionals etc. have been warning countries for decades that these pandemics would be coming yet nobody could be bothered to pay them much mind because prepping for a pandemic is expensive and doesn't yield 'results' until an actual pandemic happens, meaning there's often intense political and economic pressure not to spend big on this kind of preparation."

    Like, remember when there was a pandemic response team created in 2015 specifically to prepare for this kind of eventuality, and then the formal team got disbanded with some members being fired and others being folded into other roles that weren't focused on, but did include, pandemic response in 2018? Because that happened, and while that team being in-place wouldn't have prevented the pandemic or been a silver bullet for the US to get through it just fine, it shows how much of a role politics does play in our ability to actually respond to pandemics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Did we also forget that Countries like the US and UK had way more infections than even China?
    Are we still believing the CCP is totes being 100% honest, for realz, and not releasing bullshit data?

    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...-in-China.aspx

    Because it's been pretty clear for a long time that while some of their draconian crackdowns have been effective, the numbers they release publicly are not remotely true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post

    Are we still believing the CCP is totes being 100% honest, for realz, and not releasing bullshit data?

    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...-in-China.aspx

    Because it's been pretty clear for a long time that while some of their draconian crackdowns have been effective, the numbers they release publicly are not remotely true.
    So are a lot of states in the US[Florida] or other countries in the world, I have no reason to doubt that the draconian methods that China uses are doing enough to put them way below the likes of the US or any other country that clearly had no plan at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    it’s mostly a syndicalist fantasy that “the workers” are going to rise up, which is disconnected from the fact that “the workers” are your racist uncle and jerk co-workers who you don’t like.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    The election has passed and 58 million working class Americans stood up and proved that they are in fact your racist uncle and jerk co-workers.
    They really can't help but show disdain for the working class.

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