FOMO: "Fear Of Missing Out", also commonly known as people with a mental issue of managing time and activities, many expecting others to fit into their schedule so they don't miss out on things to come. If FOMO becomes a problem for you, do seek help, it can be a very unhealthy lifestyle..
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
Then we can use this for tokens?
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We're talking pay2win here, not pay2play
The pets could be sold at the auction too.
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Yeah, I've noticed. Only reason I'm in this thread is to have an overall view of what people feel, and when they mention token, many seem to cut off the talk once we talk further back than the token..
FOMO: "Fear Of Missing Out", also commonly known as people with a mental issue of managing time and activities, many expecting others to fit into their schedule so they don't miss out on things to come. If FOMO becomes a problem for you, do seek help, it can be a very unhealthy lifestyle..
But it came with that sweet sweet rush of serotonin when you open a pack with a loot card in it.
Buying a token isn't nearly the same!
But yeah it's pretty crazy, especially considering how the value just skyrocketed.
I think I only ever got like, one pet card. But I also only started finding the packs like, shortly before they stopped making them too, since I started with Cataclysm basically.
Ended up nabbing a Feldrake and Spectral tiger from the AH though at least.
I actually forgot that one. The ethereal pet and spectral tiger cub are still pretty pricey last I checked.
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
Buying a BoE is not pay to win. You buy them from players and they are supplied by players. If that is pay to win then so is buying flasks, enchants, herbs, or anything else for gold. A level boost is pay to win because you are buying an advantage relating to power from Blizzard. Cosmetics are not pay to win because they are cosmetics and do not relate to power.
Battle pets are a grey area. They are cosmetic but they do confer power because you can gain xp, rep, gold, world quests etc from the pets. And some store pets offer unique abilities and can only be obtained from the store. Even some that are now "retired".
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
I admit, where I live, the stores that sold TCG cards for Warcraft all had limits of max 10 pr. customer pr. week, so I went to three other stores too once one had been paid.
I have my two lvl 25 Ethereal Soul Traders, and one Spectral Tiger Cub at 21, not letting them go, haha. And yeah, they are a bit.. spicy.
The TCG discussion was added because some people believe that the token is P2W, they are both of the same premises.
1.: Both Sold by Blizzard.
2.: Both Purchased with real money (though TCG is gambling and token is not)
2a.: TCG are trading cards for the Warcraft universe, and some cards could contain actual in-game loot.
2b.: The token is a game-time item for World of Warcraft.
3.: Both created items to be traded/sold.
4.: Both legal to be sold for gold.
FOMO: "Fear Of Missing Out", also commonly known as people with a mental issue of managing time and activities, many expecting others to fit into their schedule so they don't miss out on things to come. If FOMO becomes a problem for you, do seek help, it can be a very unhealthy lifestyle..
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
TCG was not sold by Blizzard though. It was first Upper deck. Then Cryptozoic entertainment that has ties to Blizzard but is a separate privately held company. They are still in business today. It is silly to equate all cash shop type purchases as pay to win even if some believe the token is pay to win. They are no where near the same premise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptozoic_Entertainment
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
I love how everyone saying it's not pay to win doesn't have legitimate reasons. It just boils down to "because I said so".
Used to have various collections. Cards of Pokémon, Yugioh, Warcraft TCG, and MTG, on top of that, used to collect Pogs (not the headwear, but the round discs) and few other things, hah.
And yeah, the traders are my pride and joy.. hoping for a cheap to come on AH so I have three of them.. Haha.
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Okay.. So, more steps, but in the end, Blizzard.
And they are the same?
There just, as I forgot to add, more steps to TCG, but in the end, they brought in gold, like the token. Making it more exclusive than the token because of the gambling.
Someone in the thread stated that a real-money item from the developer (in this case commissioned out to someone else but still from Blizzard (i.e. codes and all)) which can be traded for in-game gold, is Pay2Win.
Not to mention that TCG is legal to sell for gold, and game-time was not legal to sell for gold until we could with the token.
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Well, as we've seen in the thread, it boils down to different opinions of what 'power' is and what 'advantage' something seems to give.
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Both are, according to the development of this thread, indirect P2W as the gold earned could buy you gear or boosts.
FOMO: "Fear Of Missing Out", also commonly known as people with a mental issue of managing time and activities, many expecting others to fit into their schedule so they don't miss out on things to come. If FOMO becomes a problem for you, do seek help, it can be a very unhealthy lifestyle..
Would it be called p2w in any other MMO?
YES
The only reason its not called p2w in WoW is because people dont want to admit it.
World needs more Goblin Warriors https://i.imgur.com/WKs8aJA.jpg
Anything not purely cosmetic, anything that has impact on player power, is pay2win. That's the definition. So WoW is pay2win. But it isn't black and white, selling gold and level boosts like WoW is better than selling raid gear or whatever. It still sucks, though.