Degenerates who buy tokens and boosts all day might have shifted the overton window but yes of course it's pay 2 win.
Degenerates who buy tokens and boosts all day might have shifted the overton window but yes of course it's pay 2 win.
No. WoW is in no way at all pay 2 win.
There's no other true answer than that. Sure, you can get a small "boost" buy buying a boost, but you CAN'T BUY ADVANTAGE in this game, which is what P2W is about.
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Not sure who is bigger troll, OP or people who answer here saying WoW is P2W.
WoW had that before. They just made it safer and hold more value, 1 person gets gold and another gets game time. Rather have the token than have gold farmers and account hacking being at the insane amount that it used to be. So, we've confirmed then, that all MMORPG's currently running, are P2W, so.. I guess the future goal is to figure out the actual value of a service to make an in-depth assessment of what is actually P2W?
I mean, the selection is huge among the games, and depending on the player, the term 'winning' can be anything if even a currency is P2W.
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So a common argument I see thrown around is that if WoW is p2w then every game is p2w because everywhere you can buy boosts etc.
This would be true if other games were also directly offering you the means of doing this and you didnt have to illegally and riskily do it through external sources.
There was a time when blizzard would try (and fail) to combat the bots that sold gold. They also banned people advertising boosting for RMT.
What they chose to do with the token is basically what Rohan online did back in the day with boting. They gave up battling bots and they made gold selling legal on their own just like Rohan gave up on trying to combat bots and literally added a bot that you could purchase from the cash shop to farm for you.
Ever since the addition of the token, the trade chat has EXCLUSIVELY become a spamming fiesta for boosts that scrolls faster than asmongolds twitch chat. Boosts always existed but you cannot tell me it was ever as bad as it has been the last 2-3 expansions. I remember the occasional boost advert during MoP for challenge modes but trade chat was still primarily people selling/organizing pugs/guild recruiting.
TLDR: When the company itself legalizes and provides you directly with the means of purchasing power, it is p2w.
This.
Gatchapon games charge you up to $90-100 for a bunch of "diamonds" that allow you to roll the dice for the possibility of getting a limited time random SUPER POWERFUL character from their treasure boxes. They more $ you spend, the more chances you have to win, and get all the characters that allow you to dominate the arena or the "raids" or whatever.
Whales rule those games. I'm pretty sure that whales exist in WoW too---I know a dude who spent 1M gold on a boost to 1800 in RBGs, but they aren't sought after, and definitely don't have the skill to demonstrate they earned their titles.
yes its pay to win
the price to really win is prohibitive enough that it's not ruining the game.
but the price to win on a modest level (m+ boost/raid boost) is very affordable which has already irrevocably damaged the games economy.
(good luck buying all those 100k+ mounts and what not if you aren't a booster or token buyer, used to be fairly doable to keep up with gold prices of that kind of item pre-token as a normal player.)
Last edited by Hellobolis; 2021-06-02 at 02:21 PM.
So, because a company is selling game-time tokens for real money that can be marketed for gold - which it does not have to be, which another player gives you, it is P2W?
So, if we rewind to the old days before the token, a player could buy from another player, game time for gold, which was against ToS, does not account as P2W?
So, it is only P2W if the company offers the service directly for you to gain power?
So, that means, World of Warcraft can only be accounted as Pay 2 Win because of selling mediocre character boosts, for they are not selling anything else that gives you power, they are selling you game time, that you choose to go sell to a player. But instead of it breaking ToS, it is now legal to trade game time.
I mean, we can compare to other games that sell (yes, they sell it) services in the form of items to advance your game faster than others for a currency that cannot be obtained in the game, but has to be purchased with a credit card. That is Play 2 Win.
The only thing WoW has that is close to P2W, is the boost, and even that is so low down that you aren't winning anything than time, and you are losing other things on the way like reputation, gear, unlocks, currency, etc.
Last edited by Lochton; 2021-06-02 at 02:21 PM.
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You cant buy advantages that are otherwise inaccessable. So no.
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
wrong they also sell boosts, which allow the player to gain an advantage via monetary purchases
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