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  1. #341
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    The trade deal was set Up at the start of wrath, Hell Garrosh wasn't even part of the horde until Tbc. Nothing from Vanilla is relevant to any thing were talking about.
    They had similar deal in Vanilla , same as with both factions being in peace for the time. And yet it were not “xenophobic elfs” who attacked the orcs but the other way around.

    Also by your logic since night elfs were in Alliance and horde attacked a member of Alliance repeatedly that means they broke peace first , Alliance just havent officially responded until Wrath.

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    It honestly sounds like you just really want to play Alliance. Go for it, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VladlTutushkin View Post
    They had similar deal in Vanilla , same as with both factions being in peace for the time. And yet it were not “xenophobic elfs” who attacked the orcs but the other way around.

    Also by your logic since night elfs were in Alliance and horde attacked a member of Alliance repeatedly that means they broke peace first , Alliance just havent officially responded until Wrath.
    There was no trade deal Prior to wrath why are you making stuff up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    There was no trade deal Prior to wrath why are you making stuff up?
    There was a peace between factions. Also as far as i recall when Garrosh was a “green” (brown) newcomer in Orgrimmar some sort of a hunting rights thing in Ashenvale was mentioned which was in danger potentially due to growing tension.

    But besides that.

    Using your logic - Horde broke the peace. Alliance just didnt responded until later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VladlTutushkin View Post
    There was a peace between factions. Also as far as i recall when Garrosh was a “green” (brown) newcomer in Orgrimmar some sort of a hunting rights thing in Ashenvale was mentioned which was in danger potentially due to growing tension.

    But besides that.

    Using your logic - Horde broke the peace. Alliance just didnt responded until later.
    They weren't even at peace In vanilla the whole point of the trade deal in wrath was to start working towards peace, again why are you making stuff up?

    also I don't know where the "using my logic" thing is coming from I said the alliance declared war and then started the war by launching assaults on the horde something the horde didn't do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    They weren't even at peace In vanilla the whole point of the trade deal in wrath was to start working towards peace, again why are you making stuff up?

    also I don't know where the "using my logic" thing is coming from I said the alliance declared war and then started the war by launching assaults on the horde something the horde didn't do.
    They were not at war in Vanilla.

    Simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VladlTutushkin View Post
    They were not at war in Vanilla.

    Simple as that.
    So you've never heard as a cold war then? because while there might not have been all out war all of the lore flat out says that the pre wrath trade deal was meant as a start towards peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    So you've never heard as a cold war then? because while there might not have been all out war all of the lore flat out says that the pre wrath trade deal was meant as a start towards peace.
    Also, it just came to my mind. Wasnt Thrall actually saying in one of the Vanilla (or was it BC?) quests that “we are not at war with Alliance”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VladlTutushkin View Post
    Also, it just came to my mind. Wasnt Thrall actually saying in one of the Vanilla (or was it BC?) quests that “we are not at war with Alliance”?
    You've just been making stuff up left and right how would I know if another made up point you pulled out of no where exist or not when you dont even know what expan your talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    You've just been making stuff up left and right how would I know if another made up point you pulled out of no where exist or not when you dont even know what expan your talking about?
    Thats why i used “?”. And you seem to be… mad.

    Anyway, if i really have to i will just lean back and enjoy my officially awarded “moral high ground” and “pristine superior morality” of Alliance horde harps on and on about.

    Might as well use it if thats all i have to enjoy.

    Remember - in the end you “never knew honour” and are “nothing”.

    But we forgive that and accept you as you are. No matter how many genocide crayon you stuff into your nose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VladlTutushkin View Post
    Thats why i used “?”. And you seem to be… mad.

    Anyway, if i really have to i will just lean back and enjoy my officially awarded “moral high ground” and “pristine superior morality” of Alliance horde harps on and on about.

    Might as well use it if thats all i have to enjoy.
    So If making up incorrect things doesn't work you'll fall to sticking to a meme? Personally I go with just not makin stuff up and being wrong but you do you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    So If making up incorrect things doesn't work you'll fall to sticking to a meme? Personally I go with just not makin stuff up and being wrong but you do you.
    From a horde fan that sounds rich. So rich that i feel like standing next to a Saudi prince.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VladlTutushkin View Post
    From a horde fan that sounds rich. So rich that i feel like standing next to a Saudi prince.
    I'm not a horde fan I just stick to the actual lore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geco View Post
    You always get pretty interesting analysis strips. Although I do not agree with them.
    I just wanted to say it.
    I'm not popular here, because the horde elf fans hate me pointing out the positives of the night elves, especially the arcane ones, and they are always challenging it, as if that negates the lore, as such many people don't agree with me based on what others say rather than doing their own research.

    Because they aren't night elf fans, most of their info comes from quick wowpedia references, so are surprised by the caveats I throw in as much of my information is specifically tailored to the discussion and comes from my experience in game, reading books , interviews, novels, the actual material gamepedia summraises.

    Most of them are blood elf fans too, very jealous and highly protective of that fantasy race, they feel that the night elves being any good at or displaying any skill with magic (namely arcane) and having a civilization that's really cool is their territory, and they found strength when blizzard gave Suramar to the horde - so I'm made to look like the pariah, spouting interesting but crazy details, that surely can't be true because the fat cats say so. Most readers, don't bother to do research either, how can i blame them, this is not their job, it's their leisure, and if they're not interested in night elves, they're not going to read a freaking novel to prove me right or wrong, so they simply accept the majority must be true, I must be wrong, and appreciate my contributions but never believe them or stand up for them.. yet they're right their in the lore, and none of the blood elf antagonist fans can refute a single one
    Valewalker Farodin: "Magic has long been a vice of the elves. It shaped us, and lifted us out of the darkness - but without balance, it also threatens to unmake us."

    My long replies often repeat info to make sure: You get all the info I have, It is clear and complete, in case you didn't actually read the first one. New readers have context at hand and are reminded of the point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanoro View Post
    avenging the deaths of your son and subjects and the destruction/blighting of your homeland
    There always is a right time for that, and a wrong one as well. I'll let you to determine whether doing it in the middle of a demon apocalypse was the former case... or the latter.
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    As for the "hone your skills" argument that some are tossing around, fuck that. Most people want to have fun. They're not logging onto WoW, the video game, as a self-improvement project. That's a ridiculous notion and goes right along with the idea that the game is "work." If it's not 'play' then you're doing it wrong. Sadly this is a concept that the devs seem to have lost sight of in their quest to keep anyone and everyone busy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    There always is a right time for that, and a wrong one as well. I'll let you to determine whether doing it in the middle of a demon apocalypse was the former case... or the latter.
    Former. Especially considering how he essentially saved both factions from being wiped out by Sylvanas with unlimited valkyrs.

    So yeah, right on time. Its almost like hand of fate guided him.

    Not to mention how Sylvans attacked his Kingdom also during a world-ending… actual Cataclysm.

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    'Writer's have x-bias' threads never go well and this is no exception. This is closed.

    To correct my typo that some found egregiously disturbing:

    Threads about writers having a faction-specific bias, do not produce an environment that is conducive to civil discussion.

    Subject matter that focuses on an author's perceived inability to deny their prejudices against fictional entities, is routinely incapable of producing appropriate dialogue between those partaking in debate.

    Hopefully, either of these answers suffices.
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