Originally Posted by
Beloren
I don't follow your logic here..., all that proves is racials advantage was not the deciding factor then, even if it may be now or at least a lot more important now which I seriously doubt. In the early days, Alliance had the lore and the attention, they won the WC1-3 wars and the horde were the villains for most of the series. Monsters weren't popular back then amongst your parents/peers, so despite the advantage of racials and shaman people picked alliance.
Those days, story and lore mattered to a lot of people, and in case you didn't realise it, wow is the very game that introduced this "don't care" attitude towards lore and story in rpg games mainly because for so popular and modern a game, it was crap with telling it's story.. I mean who reads quests in game.. games from the late 90s including WC3 were all voiced.. so you followed the story. And now they introduce this big adventure, forcing kids who hate school and books, especially males who much prefer pictures which is why they play video games, to read.. hell no, they just skipped the quests and went to the action. This was the alliance's first advantage mitigated.
Then during wow's lifetime it was the horde that was built up - it looked better, when the Blood elves came along, they hands down looked better than the Draenei, you wanna plug that blonde bimbo, not a half animal with hooves, tales and horns, and for a medieval type fantasy, fancy greek like beautiful buildings like Silvermoon > hi-tech SC2 borrowed assets, even though the draenei were nice (I liked the draenei, but not like the blood elves.
The Burning Crusade Original
I played horde then, the story was more interesting for TBC concerning both the orcs and blood elves than the Draenei, Draenei were the ones slaughtered on Draenor, there was not much to look forward to learning about them and what we got didn't pique interest that much, rather Thrall returning to his original ancestors and seeing them, that was fascinating, catching up to Kael'thas and seeing if the blood elves would make a new home in Outland, that was way more interesting. if you were a WC2 fan finding out what happened to the expedition would have made you curious, but it had zero exciting developments. you saw the Wildhammer dude, and the sons of Lothar, and nothing really interesting was happening.
When you hit Shattrath, blood elves were attacking and instead Scryes laid down their arms and asking for help/ you mean not all blood elves were following Kael'thas and wanted to make amends for spiralling away.. that was very interesting, and drew me in a lot more than than remnant draenei.. draenei were story support, it's pretty obvious. the horde's just flat out more interesting, this is why it's more popular. Why would the alliance be popular back then because in spite of racials, but the horde now popular because of racials?
doesn't make sense, because racials and things like that are not the deciding factor. The horde races story was just more interesting than the alliance, in TBC event he draenei, the blood elf enemies get to help the blood elves, not the other way round, as we go to the Sunwell, the blood elf home, it was very horde centric to me, and I enjoyed it a lot more than the alliance story lines. Even Illidan was far more blood elf skewed, with most of the DH trainees you kill and address being blood elves, it was like the night elf ones barely existed.
The Naaru, seemed more interested in the blood elves than the Draenei throughout that story, even though the canon opened up the Naaru and the Draenei, making the draenei more interesting, this wasn't the focus of the story, they were plot points to help the blood elves and stop the legion aligned blood elves. So little delved into or centred on the draenei and their Eredar origin - which the sotry could have showed much more of seeing the legion is the one lead by Draenei in their original Eredar name.
If we had fought Kil'jaeden on an Argus system world or location tied to the draenei instead of the blood elves, then you could refute teh observation. Maybe it's cos I play horde, but I felt connected to all of the story of outland as a horde BElf toon or orc toon, while on the alliance, I only felt that connection some of the time, I was more involved in others' matters.
Wrath of the Lich King
Hit WotLK, again, somehow the orcs got a far more interesting role, it appeared to me that the attack on undercity was more to show the horde dealing with Putris than it was the alliance doing anything, as nothing results from that attack for them. Sylvanas was surprisingly not as interesting as Garrosh and Thrall, but the Sunreaver v Silver Covenant was horde centric, since high elves were part of the blood elf racial storyline, that focus was all horde race. Kirin'tor affairs were framed in their light rather than humans.
Cataclysm
Cataclysm, had Thrall the main hero, we find out his elevation to Aspect stand in, and how he gets to save the Dragon soul, as a horde player I identify far more with him and thus the main thrust of the story line. Vashj'ir you'd have presumed would have been night elf focused, but that race was severely minimised concerning a substantial portion of their history, and goblins, the new race, had a sub-race with more focus. Goblins introduced with Worgen had far more extensive presence, and their story was much involved. Even though the worgen start was very well done, so was the goblins, but the goblins had Azshara redone for them, they were involved in Stonetalon, Felwood, , Barrens, they had a far greater role than the alliance.
When I went through the Kalimdor quests on both sides, I felt far more powerful and in control, the alliance felt rubbish and jokes. When I tried the alliance side of the story, the horde felt super threatening, the night elves were laughable, they seemed as scared and oppressed as the WC1 and 2 humans were, which was a little surprising, given that it was the orcs that were more in awe of them in WC3, and they were supposedly the super boost for the alliance.
the Draenei played almost zero role in fighting a marauding orc army that were again going to visit upon their new friends and new homes the sort of warmongering that destroyed their race, yet they hardly make a show. Wester plaguelands, Hillsbrad, all of the later zone quests in EK, were far more centred on horde races. The forsaken story was the best of cataclysm original races revamped, and I enjoyed it the most, WPL was a song to the forsaken's strength and victory
Mists of Pandaria
MoP was all about Garrosh, the horde going bad again, and whiles it seemed it favoured the alliance because we were the villains, actually, we were the focus of the story, there was much more involvement on how we viewed things and dealt with Garrosh, than what the alliance was doing. It was the story of us banding together and stopping our Warchief. Varian and the alliance just seemed support cast, what they did didn't really matter but they had to have some role. The Anduin storyline was a little interesting, but Pandaria felt a lot more horde than alliance..sorry, maybe its because the pandas were furry, maybe it's because of the heavy Vol'jin influence that had skewed them red, .
Warlords Of Draenor
Warlords of Draenor was all about the iron horde, , while the draenei did play a role, on the alliance side, and you saw their attack on them, it was all about the iron horde, although this time the blood elves come to aid the draenei, it is the Legion and iron horde that the real trouble an d it just felt more horde centred. The story of Nagrand, the feel of the Arrakkoa, the Sabaeron, it was lovely to see. Draenor was the orc homeworld, with orc lore, the Gronn, orc engineering, - it was also the source of orc fatigue and it ended the TBC - WoD a 5 expansion focus.
I was also sick of orcs by this time.
Legion
Legion was the first time an alliance race was pretty much the centre and the horde a back seat, but legion felt more a thing for Legion, till this day, Suramar still feels like night elves to me, even though the nightborne joined the horde, but while Iw as questing, Suramar Azsuna, Val'sharah and Borken shore were 100% night elf and thus alliance based stuff. Stormheim being Vrykul felt very alliance too, even though no one on the islands were aligned ot either faciotn. only highmountain felt horde. I came to see theNightborne more as Kaldorei version of what the blood elves had rather than like blood elves, itwas full of night lef moon symbols, night elf statues, night elf looking NPCs, night elven arcane sabers, night elf history - the allinace won this one for the first tie in my opinon.
Battle For Azeroth
In BFA, it's a mixed bag, at first the horde seemed much more grand, Zuldazar was much nicer than Kul'tiras, but Kul'tiras had more charm, i guess because of WC2/3 and Jaina's story felt more meaningful than Talanji's, although Rastakhan's death, the attack on Daza'rlaor made the horde more of the focus, something unusual happened, the alliance seemed competent and actually dangerous i think for the first time in Wow.. the way they were written to out manoeuvre the horde made the Zanadalari for all their history seem rather weak.. compared to the alliance anyway, despite the spectacular opening scenes.
Then there was Darkshore, and Tyrande's power up also in favour of the alliance, so to Was Naz'jatar, and Wrathion feels more alliance than horde. however, the War of thorns was totally horde centric, so maybe they were trying to make up for the horde winning both wars, the horde has never felt as powerful as it did when Sylvanas utterly disgraces and out manoeuvres the night elves, totally destroying them, and she felt the victor in Lordaeron more so than the alliance - so maybe that's why the alliance had to look good in 8.1? 8.3 felt neither horde nor alliance. but 8.2 definitely felt alliance with all the night elf lore, and the naga stuff. that stuff feels more night elven than blood elven. When we were shown the naga and Illidan in WC3 TFT, it felt like the blood elves joining up with naughty night elves rather than the other way round. when I saw Nazjatar, Lor'themar and the blood elves felt like been caught up in a night elf story, and Thalyssra the night elf representative on the horde, with Shandris the one on the alliance, it felt very alliance centric. And the story was all about the story of the Night elf former Empress turned Naga empress and night elf issues, which is why it was surprising not to see more kaldorei involvement, but then, when you get blood elves players to feel more night elven, it's probably enough. You could claim that is evidence of horde centrism, as even clear alliance race themes instead choose to focus on horde characters.. but i think that's going to far, seeing that it is Nightborne's obvious kaldorei connection and the blood elves kaldorei history that is used here, it instead paints the horde characters in terms of an alliance race, not the other way around.
8.3 surprised me in the lack of void elf and Mag'har orc involvement, i thought they'd dominate this one, but when you think about it, the void elves' void stuff is more focused in the stars and the nether, than the old gods. The old gods is the part they successful resist in order to tap the power that is in the cosmos. At least that's how I view it, as such they won't be particularly more involved than any race. the Mag'har seemed intertwined with the dark Naaru, after Shadowmoon orcs have essentially been influenced by it for many generations. Again, not really old god related.
What this Means
Simple, the horde has had the better ride, but you only need look at the alliance - they look lame, their feel lame, and when you play through their storylines, it's lame. Maybe we've changed, and we now consider brutal and evil things cool rather than horrific, and as such the alliance feels boring to people like me.
But then people like me are in the majority on this game, so the horde that services that will be more popular. Has the better assets on the horde (i.e. cooler stuff) swayed many a folk, who knows.. I don't think I'd have cared for the horde if I didn't like the blood elves so much. I finally got a race I could relate to and it was amazing, the best in the game,. Maybe it should have been alliance, but it was given tot he horde and i think the reason it looks so good is because it's on the horde.. I think they tried harder to make the blood elves attractive to make the horde attractive, and those who keep harping on about we should have had high elves instead ( I don't grudge them having high elves now), but they fail to realise the only reason blood elves are so desirable now is because they were were going to join the horde.
They'd have looked a lot worse if they joined the alliance. You alliance high elf fanboys actually owe the horde for this.