Just a quick question, but in using the dragon soul (and hence depowering every dragon flight) didn't Nozdormu bind every single thread of time and fate, meaning that he would never become Murozond and hence the Infinite flight are no longer a threat?
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you know there is a lot of fel orcs using armor too right? the thing is: adapt
*looking how they are not "nowadays" but old races**Looking at Orcs, Trolls, Undead, Goblins, Dark Iron Dwarves and Worgen.
you can't.Thing is:
1. You can, already, play as a Dragonmaw Orc.
Like i said, we have examples ingame of the transformation, if its ae or not is based around subjective option. turning into full-on dragon ins just impratical2. I don't think Worgen transformation is rather fitting. Maybe for a vampiric race. But, Humanoids turning into full-on dragons is not like turning into a humanoid-dragon hybrid. There's no awe in it.
They are ugly as fuck and i don't think they would fit as their own race because numbers and how theya re created..3. What's wrong with the Dragonmen we have in game? which are experiments if i'm not mistaken:
You are just red hearing/changing goalposts, the point bought was never "noble or peaceful", this an fallacy since for their lifetime since they evolved from Ogres orcs were fine, living in epace with draeneis and others who let then alone.Very noble and peaceful, indeed. -_-
It is not, its is a non-alignment thing, just because its often seeing in the bad side does not mean good people can't be brutal in determinate circuntancesBrutal is one aspect of evil.
you mean necromancersSo is introducing Dark Rangers this expansion. Not that i don't support it. But, it seems that it's not the direction they are going.
I would have said Anduin. He's always been the lights poster boy, was priest and paladin and leads a faction. And Blizz loves "Leaders get corruped" storylines, at least on Horde side so it wouldn't surprise me to have him become the morally questionable fanatic at some point.
The Runecarver's face was hidden behind a mask. You know, like Leonardo Decaprio in The Man in the Iron Mask. His body remained the same, he just magically gained his clothes again. The feet and hands remained the same and were kinda indicative of his identity.
The Jailer's orb in his chest doesn't, necessarily, mean he'll transform to something else. Taking it from the Abriter would mean she'll devolve to something else. Do you agree with that? I'd guess it's kinda like an Infinity Stone. Makes you stronger, but doesn't change your appearance.
Encrypted Model could, literally, mean new animations or some brand new clothes. I'd wager he'll look badass in some Lich King style armor.
You're not the first one to speculate it, and i'm not saying it has no basis. But, what's the point of having 2, almost identical, characters look-wise (Primus and Jailer)? It kinda defeats the purpose of distinguishing between the two...
Aman'thul has dominion over time magic. He's not out of the picture yet (red star in the sky).
The Nightborne are proficient in time magic due to the Nightwell and Eye of Aman'thul.
Yes, but they weren't updated like the rest of the Orcs (TBC ones).
I'd say we should look to other bark-skinned races for analogy. Treants and Ancients do not wear armor. Drust constructs do not wear armor. Others from the primal faction do not wear armor. Druids in tree form from Incarnation do not get armor. Cat/Bear forms with bark skin Legion appearance and Incarnation do not get armor.
I don't say it's impossible. I'm just skeptic at this moment.
So?*looking how they are not "nowadays" but old races*
Orcs were villainous throughout Warcraft 1 & 2. So were Trolls (Forest ones). Forsaken were part of the Scourge. Goblins were neutral, but contributed to the war effort. Worgen were savage, hostile mobs during most of WoW's lifespan. Dark Iron Dwarves have been antagonistic since the game's inception. I'd write Void elves too, but they don't seem to be that evil, unfortunately.
Grey skin? Yellow eyes?you can't.
I guess they're only missing their unique tattoos.
I didn't mean full-dragons. I meant i don't see a point in half-orc half-dragon hybrids. I'd take the Dragonman we have in game (which, are experiments). Turning into one would, either, mean a Dragonmaw race, like you suggested, or that any race can transform into it, willingly. Which, is just adding more races we have for the sake of transforming into a Dragon. Now, as for Worgen, it's part of the core fantasy of werewolves. Is it the same for Dragons?Like i said, we have examples ingame of the transformation, if its ae or not is based around subjective option. turning into full-on dragon ins just impratical
They are ugly as fuck and i don't think they would fit as their own race because numbers and how theya re created..
That's subjective, but ok.
What's wrong with experimented races? by the way, they can change it like they did with Gilgoblins (being experiments in the past, but were changed into a natural race in 8.2).
The Dragonmen we have in-game use the Worgen skeleton, so that gives them a head start.
True. But, they massacred them the moment they were manipulated. And, they sure did were not peaceful with the Ogres.You are just red hearing/changing goalposts, the point bought was never "noble or peaceful", this an fallacy since for their lifetime since they evolved from Ogres orcs were fine, living in epace with draeneis and others who let then alone.
Everyone can be. The true issue arises when it becomes part of your culture.It is not, its is a non-alignment thing, just because its often seeing in the bad side does not mean good people can't be brutal in determinate circuntances
Huh? Necromancers? why would they do that?you mean necromancers
He's, currently, a Death Knight so i don't know...
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Don't look at me. I didn't come up with this. Blizzard does.
Or, they could use the Shadowlands' covenants to expand the factions to 4. Kyrian and Necrolords are, already, somewhat like the Alliance and Horde. Night Fae and Venthyr could be the Warcraft 3's Sentinels and Scourge equivalents. I can totally see Tyrande and the Night elves branching off from the Alliance, like i can see the Forsaken doing the same with the Horde.
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because they were not made playable.
that is literally a non-issue, just because they didn't wear armor don't mean they can't, this is, funny enough, nature's fallacy.I'd say we should look to other bark-skinned races for analogy. Treants and Ancients do not wear armor. Drust constructs do not wear armor. Others from the primal faction do not wear armor. Druids in tree form from Incarnation do not get armor. Cat/Bear forms with bark skin Legion appearance and Incarnation do not get armor.
bark-skin is just another skin like scales or normal skin, you just put armor on it, im pretty sure there was even some botani who had some clotch on then, like i said, non-issue. is like saying scale races would not use armorb ecause dragons don't.
So what? do you realize im talking about how blizzard today can't do what they did in the past?So?
Grey skin? Yellow eyes?
I guess they're only missing their unique tattoos.
you can play those options
any race could tun into worgen too, yet, only humans can be worgen, would be the same since the dragonmaw orcs are the only ones with so much connection with dragons todayI didn't mean full-dragons. I meant i don't see a point in half-orc half-dragon hybrids. I'd take the Dragonman we have in game (which, are experiments). Turning into one would, either, mean a Dragonmaw race, like you suggested, or that any race can transform into it, willingly. Which, is just adding more races we have for the sake of transforming into a Dragon. Now, as for Worgen, it's part of the core fantasy of werewolves. Is it the same for Dragons?
Which, can happens with literally, any race. Other races are even worse falling to corruption without being manpulated and tricked, orcs back there were just naive and innocent to the high minds who use deception and other ways of manipulation.True. But, they massacred them the moment they were manipulated.
i said they were at peace with anyone who didn't bother then, OGres did bother then a lot, you know, by making orcs slavesAnd, they sure did were not peaceful with the Ogres.
Not rly, because different worlds and cultures means different thingsEveryone can be. The true issue arises when it becomes part of your culture.
Because it is a better class, more identity and make more sense in the land of the death than rangers who sue dark magic.Huh? Necromancers? why would they do that?
He's, currently, a Death Knight so i don't know...[/QUOTE]
The cosmic forces, apart from order, exist outside of time. This gives them default time travelling capacities.
We've seen this in practice with the old gods fucking about with the time stream by knowing in the past what the future holds, as just one example, death too explicitly exists outside of time. Only chaos is uncertain, as it, conceptually, requires time, whereas life & light and void & death are conceptually just existence and nonexistence respectively and do not require time to exist.
Also such shenanigans should make it abundantly clear by now that "killing" != "ending their existence" in warcraft or in general under such rules.
I mean time travel effectively means immortality, no buts.
Murozond's death can be undone or even ignored as a dead timeline, akin to WoD.
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This is a signature of an ailing giant, boundless in pride, wit and strength.
Yet also as humble as health and humor permit.
Furthermore, I consider that Carthage Slam must be destroyed.
So did Chaos Orcs and they did receive an update.
Probably.that is literally a non-issue, just because they didn't wear armor don't mean they can't, this is, funny enough, nature's fallacy.
bark-skin is just another skin like scales or normal skin, you just put armor on it, im pretty sure there was even some botani who had some clotch on then, like i said, non-issue. is like saying scale races would not use armorb ecause dragons don't.
But, can you at least link that Botani here?
For what reason?So what? do you realize im talking about how blizzard today can't do what they did in the past?
Mag'har Orcs? were our enemies and are now playable.
Zandalari Trolls? were our enemies and are now playable.
Dark Iron Dwarves? were our enemies and are now playable.
All of these happened recently.
You need to provide a reason as to why not.
Are these not Dragonmaw Orcs?
you can play those options
We can't really play a pale Shattered hand Orc either. Do you suppose they should introduce one of them too?
How about the Dragon humanoids themselves? why is there a need for a transformation?any race could tun into worgen too, yet, only humans can be worgen, would be the same since the dragonmaw orcs are the only ones with so much connection with dragons today
And, i'd say Night elves have a pretty good connection to dragons, as well (which is not forced and based on enslavement).
Which, can happens with literally, any race. Other races are even worse falling to corruption without being manpulated and tricked, orcs back there were just naive and innocent to the high minds who use deception and other ways of manipulation.
Maybe individuals. Not a whole race.
And you think they wouldn't have grievances with them otherwise? hell, i bet they didn't get along among themselves.i said they were at peace with anyone who didn't bother then, OGres did bother then a lot, you know, by making orcs slaves
If your standard is conquering and massacring, then i'd say it is a pretty low standard.Not rly, because different worlds and cultures means different things
You're aware it has been integrated into the Death Knight, right?Because it is a better class, more identity and make more sense in the land of the death than rangers who sue dark magic.
i obvious meant it can't, it was a typo
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we are talking about the fel orcs, with tusks and spikes, they did not receive update
i ahve to enter the game and find it, no time for it, the point still the same, they can use armor.Probably.
But, can you at least link that Botani here?
You clearly are not understanding what we are talking about, so it is better to drop this subject.For what reason?
of course they should, the point is, take those dragonmaw and make drakonid race out of it.Are these not Dragonmaw Orcs?
We can't really play a pale Shattered hand Orc either. Do you suppose they should introduce one of them too?
Where are the dragon humanoid themselves? thats it, they have to create a whole bunch of new lore to cover that, as well to cover the part of failed experimentsHow about the Dragon humanoids themselves? why is there a need for a transformation?
it is way easier to make the dragonmaw drakonid, since they essentially already do, and imo, fit more, since it is literally the name of the clan
almost nonexistent, see their theme its nothing dragon related, they have a connection by the war of shifting sands and ysera, but thats it, event he green dragonflight appear little on it.And, i'd say Night elves have a pretty good connection to dragons, as well (which is not forced and based on enslavement).
The orcs do not slaves then anymore and again, already have a technique to turn themselves into half-dragons, is half-way done.
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Maybe individuals. Not a whole race.
Orcs get along with any race who leave then alone and do get along with themselves, very rare cases of infighting and other clans fighting others, unlike humans who story is basically conquering and taking other races land and fighting themselves.And you think they wouldn't have grievances with them otherwise? hell, i bet they didn't get along among themselves.
not enough, not fully and they can still do it anyway like DHYou're aware it has been integrated into the Death Knight, right?
I know. I said it.
That's why they're probably not going to end up playable.
Just google-search the thing.i ahve to enter the game and find it, no time for it, the point still the same, they can use armor.
I can't take you at your word.
I do. You believe Blizzard can't set villainous races to be playable this day and age, for some reason. I say they can. You just introduce a faction of a friendly bunch of them. Just like the Rajani Mogu, for example.You clearly are not understanding what we are talking about, so it is better to drop this subject.
I don't know about that...of course they should, the point is, take those dragonmaw and make drakonid race out of it.
But, i guess if Alliance gets Black Dragonflight, then the Horde would be getting Red.
First of all, only those in Outland do and they become Netherwind drakonids (which are not relevant and do not have a model close to being playable).Where are the dragon humanoid themselves? thats it, they have to create a whole bunch of new lore to cover that, as well to cover the part of failed experiments
it is way easier to make the dragonmaw drakonid, since they essentially already do, and imo, fit more, since it is literally the name of the clan
Secondly, the clan's got its name for its ability to ride dragons, not transform into one.
Thirdly, Blizzard had a playable concept art for these playable dragonmen. I don't see how it would be more difficult to adjust a Worgen skeleton than to make a transformative Orc-drakonid race with an outdated model.
They have a strong connection to Ysera and the Green Dragonflight due to Druidism, the Emerald Dream and Malfurion. Even the RPG class 'Dragonsworn' suggests them as being favoured race.almost nonexistent, see their theme its nothing dragon related, they have a connection by the war of shifting sands and ysera, but thats it, event he green dragonflight appear little on it.
The orcs do not slaves then anymore and again, already have a technique to turn themselves into half-dragons, is half-way done.
Unlike the Dragonmaw Orcs who enslaved the red dragonflight and made their leader mate forcefully. Where does it say that they no longer do it? They lost control of the black dragonflight in MoP and the red dragonflight still hasn't forgiven them for their actions during the second war.
What's the confusion? if an entire race has almost the same mentality and not some wayward outcasts, then it is pretty obvious that it's part of who they are and not an exception.??
Funny how you mention Humans while they have a diplomacy racial trait:Orcs get along with any race who leave then alone and do get along with themselves, very rare cases of infighting and other clans fighting others, unlike humans who story is basically conquering and taking other races land and fighting themselves.
"One of the greatest advantages that humanity possesses is their aptitude for team work and leadership, therefore they are also well known for their skills in [Diplomacy]. Their leaders proposed forming the Alliance, and even ordinary citizens know that the right choice of words means the difference between leaving a good impression and leaving a great one."
"Even more than sheer tenacity, the human race's true strength lies in its willingness and ability to look past its own interests, see others' point of view, and seek diplomatic solutions. This has enabled the humans to form lasting alliances with other races."
What you are talking about are ancient times, when they were still savage barbarians.
Orcs, on the other hand, always end up as conquerors. Whether it is under demonic influence or without. Gul'dan, Blackhand, Grommash and Garrosh all had conquest ambitions under different circumstances. War is in their blood and part of their race's defining characteristic. The only difference, of course, are Frostwolves like Thrall or Durotan.
Based on what? wearing cloth and wielding staves?not enough, not fully and they can still do it anyway like DH
DH were integrated into the Warlock ability-wise. Necromancer were stated by Blizzard themselves to have been integrated into the Death Knight. No speculation, no nothing. Taking it out of the Death Knight would not be the same as with the DH, as it was a sole developer's whim to do so.