What's the point of Tyrande's night warrior story arc?

[TrueHorde]

it's just like taking trousers off to fart....

What a waste!

If they give some other charcters more resources....

[Stardrift]

Danuser can't stop doing shit like this in his fanfictions. Best to just put all your attention solely on the art and not the writing.

[cparle87]

For her to, blinded by a desire for revenge and against the begging of all the people close to her, tapping into a power that nearly destroyed her and alienated her from her loved ones, hopefully leading to some character development? She HAS always been a "screw what anyone else says I'm doing what I want" type.

[TrueHorde]

Danuser can't stop doing shit like this in his fanfictions. Best to just put all your attention solely on the art and not the writing.

To today's WowStory Development:

’’You're tryin' to be cool.You look like a fool to me''

[Super Dickmann]

To eliminate the last person in the cast motivated by anything except the abstract notion of goodness. Tyrande as the Night Warrior is entirely unimpressive power-wise and she does nothing unreasonable either - the positions she expresses are blindingly obviously correct in all aspects. But they're also personal motives - she's angry about a city worth of her people getting torched and has eyes to see that it wasn't just Sylvanas who was responsible for it. Just like anyone in the Horde who didn't want to sing kumbaya was removed, Genn forgave the Forsaken for the destruction of his home and became a peacenik while Jaina learned her dad was wrong by witnessing the Horde do exactly what her dad warned her about Tyrande too must embrace world peace so the entire Azeroth cast can fully merge into the hivemind.

It's part of the broader messaging of this and the previous expansion especially but arguably as far back as Wrath too. Any kind of grievance or motivation by anything except universal love for all mankind, any grudge held over harm caused to you or your group is bad and makes you just as bad as the perpetrator. It is a barking form of morality, but it's only once you internalize this that you can also make sense of other choices like how both Arthas and Sylvanas are en route to getting a get out of jail free card and it's Uther who's made to feel bad about how he didn't show compassion to Arthas after Arthas killed everyone Uther'd ever met and cared about and destroyed everything Uther tried to protect.

[Razion]

Not all stories have to resolve throughout the course of one expansion - Sylvanas' story went on for a long time. Tyrande's might go on much longer, too.

For what it's worth, if the Night Warrior path had ended so immediately, there's usually only one path that vengeance leads to -- that's a lot of killing, a lot of being evil, and a lot of being turned into a loot piñata. So unless you want Tyrande dead ASAP, I don't think asking for resolution to the Night Warrior immediately would be for the best at all.

More can be done with the Night Warrior - barely anything has been done with it so far. And while it'd make sense for Tyrande to axe off Sylvanas with the power, considering how negatively people reacted to huge power-showboating like Sylvanas and Nathanos souring people's jimmies, and how negatively people reacted to characters like Thrall kill-stealing Garrosh, Tirion kill-stealing the Lich King, Thrall kill-stealing Deathwing, and more, you need to be more understanding that they were probably approaching this with a mentality of avoiding negative tropes like that.

And besides the whole huge power Mary-Sue aversion, and aversion to kill-stealing final boss characters, there's also the issue of the story perhaps just arriving and being done all at once in one expansion. For themes and stories that are received well, it's actually great that we potentially have the opportunity to see more of this story now that people are saying they want more of it. Alternatively, there have been stories with characters like Deathwing, or Kael'thas, or Vash'j, and more who all felt like they could have had more time in the sun. Shadowlands was an opportunity to keep telling stories that didn't all have their fair shake, so it would be very tone-deaf if during that same expansion they introduced a cool story and completely finalized it just like all these characters they were fixing. It would show that they hadn't learned the lesson.

What they've done, ironically, is prove that they aren't going to take the character on a murder train to turn into a piñata, that the power isn't just going to turn the character into a Mary Sue trope, that they aren't going to kill steal a final boss for us and deny us all glory, and that the story of that character isn't just going to leave as soon as it arrived. They're avoiding potential missteps with this. They're being CAREFUL with the Night Warrior. And can you blame them? Malfurion and Tyrande got a LOT of shit during Legion. They had to be careful with Tyrande this time because if it went south again, they'd have a mile-long bad track record with an otherwise beloved character.

Again, the Night Warrior story doesn't have to be over here. It can still continue later when it's relevant. Perhaps when we're dealing with the Jailer isn't the best time for it. Having Tyrande kill-steal Sylvanas like all the other final bosses -- would that be universally accepted as a good end to the Night Warrior? Some might enjoy it, others wouldn't. A very vocal group of people hate the final boss kill-stealing. I think it's smart to avoid that and to let the Night Warrior lead on into other things -- like potentially further Forsaken-Night Elf skirmishes in the future, or having the Night Warrior actually relate to more Elune-related things in the narrative rather than only serving as a vengeance device against Sylvanas. There's more that can be done still.

[catalystical]

The above and also to slowly introduce us to Elune.

[Revamp Man]

It’s for Elune lore

[TrueHorde]

Not all stories have to resolve throughout the course of one expansion - Sylvanas' story went on for a long time. Tyrande's might go on much longer, too.

For what it's worth, if the Night Warrior path had ended so immediately, there's usually only one path that vengeance leads to -- that's a lot of killing, a lot of being evil, and a lot of being turned into a loot piñata. So unless you want Tyrande dead ASAP, I don't think asking for resolution to the Night Warrior immediately would be for the best at all.

More can be done with the Night Warrior - barely anything has been done with it so far. And while it'd make sense for Tyrande to axe off Sylvanas with the power, considering how negatively people reacted to huge power-showboating like Sylvanas and Nathanos souring people's jimmies, and how negatively people reacted to characters like Thrall kill-stealing Garrosh, Tirion kill-stealing the Lich King, Thrall kill-stealing Deathwing, and more, you need to be more understanding that they were probably approaching this with a mentality of avoiding negative tropes like that.

And besides the whole huge power Mary-Sue aversion, and aversion to kill-stealing final boss characters, there's also the issue of the story perhaps just arriving and being done all at once in one expansion. For themes and stories that are received well, it's actually great that we potentially have the opportunity to see more of this story now that people are saying they want more of it. Alternatively, there have been stories with characters like Deathwing, or Kael'thas, or Vash'j, and more who all felt like they could have had more time in the sun. Shadowlands was an opportunity to keep telling stories that didn't all have their fair shake, so it would be very tone-deaf if during that same expansion they introduced a cool story and completely finalized it just like all these characters they were fixing. It would show that they hadn't learned the lesson.

What they've done, ironically, is prove that they aren't going to take the character on a murder train to turn into a piñata, that the power isn't just going to turn the character into a Mary Sue trope, that they aren't going to kill steal a final boss for us and deny us all glory, and that the story of that character isn't just going to leave as soon as it arrived. They're avoiding potential missteps with this. They're being CAREFUL with the Night Warrior. And can you blame them? Malfurion and Tyrande got a LOT of shit during Legion. They had to be careful with Tyrande this time because if it went south again, they'd have a mile-long bad track record with an otherwise beloved character.

Again, the Night Warrior story doesn't have to be over here. It can still continue later when it's relevant. Perhaps when we're dealing with the Jailer isn't the best time for it. Having Tyrande kill-steal Sylvanas like all the other final bosses -- would that be universally accepted as a good end to the Night Warrior? Some might enjoy it, others wouldn't. A very vocal group of people hate the final boss kill-stealing. I think it's smart to avoid that and to let the Night Warrior lead on into other things -- like potentially further Forsaken-Night Elf skirmishes in the future, or having the Night Warrior actually relate to more Elune-related things in the narrative rather than only serving as a vengeance device against Sylvanas. There's more that can be done still.

Again, the Night Warrior story doesn't have to be over here.
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No,it will end in 9.1
No matter what people think, it's just like that...

[username993720]

it's just like taking trousers off to fart....

What a waste!

If they give some other charcters more resources....

To introduce a playable Night Warrior/Priestess of the Moon in the future, of course.

[Razion]

Again, the Night Warrior story doesn't have to be over here.
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No,it will end in 9.1
No matter what people think, it's just like that...

There's literally nothing stopping them from resuming it later whenever they want to -- another patch after, another after that, another expansion after, WHENEVER they want, they can resume it. You can consider it on hiatus. It's not like this is an expansion story like Shadowlands that we would expect to be over for the expac. Side stories involving major characters like this tend to resume later in other expansions. Thrall's story didn't end with Cata. Sylvanas' story didn't end when it began, either. We have plenty of precedent to indicate major character stories resume later after they're introduced.

They introduced the concept of Night Warrior not just being exclusive to Tyrande. I don't think they would've done that if it wasn't going to lead to other connections and people and consequences later. They're expanding the lore of what is possible with Elune, and what it means to take power from her - in this case, forcefully. This has implications for faith of Elune, which we knows expands to other planets and peoples now. It's not like Elune is dead - the concept of the Night Warrior can only go forward from here and build up. It's not like they killed Elune or anything (if Elune can be killed at all, assuming it isn't just a concept held by many).

[Nnyco]

Just yet another nightelf story arc where we didnt really need one.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Before Legion, the Night Elves weren't really getting any story focus. Then we got Val'sharah and the Emerald Nightmare, Burning of Teldrassil with the introduction to the Night Warrior and vengeance in BfA, and now... this.

[geco]

When they realized that BFA was about to get WoW's 3rd / 2nd most Played race out of the Game they had to throw a bone at Kaldore Fans and that's The Night War.
But they were unwilling to write a plot that would take them away from their Jaina-Trall ships.

But it's the same as Sylvanass's Loyal option. Just some form that doesn't really add anything to the plot.

And for those who say they showed us the "other night warriors" it just seems like more empty bones. Because Tyrande is nothing like the other night wars. Both in strength and in madness.

PS: No Tyrande is no more "crazy with revenge" than she was before. Remember that normal Tyrande kills the wardens for an argument and Tyrandde Night War offers it to the Rengeated Kaldorei to join them not once but twice.

Edit:

There's literally nothing stopping them from resuming it later whenever they want to -- another patch after, another after that, another expansion after, WHENEVER they want, they can resume it. You can consider it on hiatus. It's not like this is an expansion story like Shadowlands that we would expect to be over for the expac. Side stories involving major characters like this tend to resume later in other expansions. Thrall's story didn't end with Cata. Sylvanas' story didn't end when it began, either. We have plenty of precedent to indicate major character stories resume later after they're introduced.

They introduced the concept of Night Warrior not just being exclusive to Tyrande. I don't think they would've done that if it wasn't going to lead to other connections and people and consequences later. They're expanding the lore of what is possible with Elune, and what it means to take power from her - in this case, forcefully. This has implications for faith of Elune, which we knows expands to other planets and peoples now. It's not like Elune is dead - the concept of the Night Warrior can only go forward from here and build up. It's not like they killed Elune or anything (if Elune can be killed at all, assuming it isn't just a concept held by many).

So you agree that Tyrande-Night Warrior was completely useless so far.

[TheFirstOnes]

Me, knowing damn well this is gonna lead to Elune and the Pantheon of Life: Sips Tea

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Again, the Night Warrior story doesn't have to be over here.
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No,it will end in 9.1
No matter what people think, it's just like that...

Ever heard of the Grimoire of the Shadowlands and Beyond? Ever heard of the Winter Queen's Sister? Ever heard of the Gardens of Life? Ever heard of the Sepulcher? Ever heard of...oh...idk...the Jailer escaping into the Great Dark and invading Reality, Azeroth, the moon, etc?

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There's literally nothing stopping them from resuming it later whenever they want to -- another patch after, another after that, another expansion after, WHENEVER they want, they can resume it. You can consider it on hiatus. It's not like this is an expansion story like Shadowlands that we would expect to be over for the expac. Side stories involving major characters like this tend to resume later in other expansions. Thrall's story didn't end with Cata. Sylvanas' story didn't end when it began, either. We have plenty of precedent to indicate major character stories resume later after they're introduced.

They introduced the concept of Night Warrior not just being exclusive to Tyrande. I don't think they would've done that if it wasn't going to lead to other connections and people and consequences later. They're expanding the lore of what is possible with Elune, and what it means to take power from her - in this case, forcefully. This has implications for faith of Elune, which we knows expands to other planets and peoples now. It's not like Elune is dead - the concept of the Night Warrior can only go forward from here and build up. It's not like they killed Elune or anything (if Elune can be killed at all, assuming it isn't just a concept held by many).

They literally hint at more going on, likely for this expac, at the end of the 9.1 Night Warrior questline. Tf do you mean?

[geco]

Ever heard of the Grimoire of the Shadowlands and Beyond? Ever heard of the Winter Queen's Sister? Ever heard of the Gardens of Life? Ever heard of the Sepulcher? Ever heard of...oh...idk...the Jailer escaping into the Great Dark and invading Reality, Azeroth, the moon, etc?

What does all this have to do with the Night war? If you have nothing to avenge.
Or wait, you say that in the future they will do something even worse to The Kaldorei so that it makes sense for their avatar of VENGEANCE to come out.

[Feanoro]

What @Super Dickmann said, to push the writers' smug, hypocritical pseudo-morality.

In game, to throw Alliance players a bone and let them pretend they get actual story developments. Obviously they don't, because every. single. character. that ever thinks the Horde might not be innocent choirboys is re-educated and then resets back to sitting duck for the next time someone in the Horde declares genocide for a stubbed toe.

[TheFirstOnes]

What does all this have to do with the Night war? If you have nothing to avenge.
Or wait, you say that in the future they will do something even worse to The Kaldorei so that it makes sense for their avatar of VENGEANCE to come out.

They have a lot to avenge. You do realize that, while Sylvanas is the person that committed the Genocide of the Night Elves, the Jailer was the source who orchestrated it, yeah? So, if anything...

They kinda should aim for the Jailer's head lmao

[geco]

They have a lot to avenge. You do realize that, while Sylvanas is the person that committed the Genocide of the Night Elves, the Jailer was the source who orchestrated it, yeah? So, if anything...

They kinda should aim for the Jailer's head lmao

So only the last thing you said has something to do with it.
But back it's just a useless plot twist for now. Because from the ritual until now I have not achieved anything and it did not prove to be useful at all.

What we have left is that in the end they throw us a ray of energy and kill the jailer ... let's say let him escape because he didn't want to do anything until he escaped.

[Yarathir]

There wasn't any. It was to give nelf fans a glimmer of hope that nelves would be relevant just to keep them from being annoyed that the nelves were genocided for cheap shock value that was promptly brushed under the rug