Thread: Elden Ring

  1. #1941
    Quote Originally Posted by BeepBoo View Post
    "This character with the same model and abbreviated moveset definitely isn't the same thing!"
    Right.
    Might have a point if they were not optional otherwise its just complaining because there's more stuff to do from reusing assets
    Suri Cruise and Katie Holmes are SP's.

  2. #1942
    When you are going down the Haligtree, and you come the spot where you see a Erdtree Avatar patrolling the large ramparts to your right, when you continue on in that and you eventually reach a group of soliders and another Erdtree Avatar waiting for you with a Ballista, and blocking a door. It has been a very hard run for me, to get back there. What I would like to know, is that door closed, can I just run up and open it, and get the grace, or is it required to clear the Erdtree Avatar first. This is the Elphael Inner Wall I'm trying to get to.

    I still need to do the following in the game:

    1. Find the Dragoncrest Greatshield Talisman in Haligtree
    2. Go grab the Cerulean Amber +2 Talisman from Lunar Estate Ruins(not sure how I missed it)
    3. Explore sewers pre-ashen, get coded sword, bolt of gransax, barrier of gold before making capital ash
    4. Grab Erdtree favor +2 from capital area
    5. Defeat Tree spirit in Haligtree swamp areas to progress millicent's quest and finish her quest, get the final sorceries talisman
    6. Get Crimson Amber +2 talisman from ashen capital
    7. Collect final crimson tears and golden seeds
    8. Beat Melania
    9. Beat final leg of the main story

    "Heed my words Tarnished. I am Malenia. Blade of Miquella. And I have never known defeat."

    9999999999999999 raised to the 9999999999999999 out of 10. I'm about 95 hours in, maybe 111 or so, I expect about 10 hours to complete the above but of course it will probably take longer when I get stuck on any bosses.

    On a side note, Haligtree feels like an Xpak dungeon, it is incredible they packed this much this well into any game at launch. No wonder of the reviews, even if you hate the content you just have to give credit to the incredible scope and scale of this single player game at launch. It ain't easy either. It still gives that Elden Ring scare to me 100 hours in, like I'm going into the first legacy dungeon. Incredible how they balanced the game as well, considering how much they had to balance and the amount of tools offered to the player.
    Last edited by Zenfoldor; 2022-03-30 at 03:39 PM.

  3. #1943
    Initially, I thought mounted combat in this game (like every other game with mounted combat) was trash. I hated it and had so much difficulty learning how to fight on Torrent.

    Now, I love it! Seeing another mounted mob is a real thrill and I love the joust/duel on horseback. I go to the mausoleum area to duel those tree knights on horseback just for fun now. LMAO

  4. #1944
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    Might have a point if they were not optional otherwise its just complaining because there's more stuff to do from reusing assets
    Not my qualm, not my original post. I was highlighting the evergaol fight that reused assets from a boss, which Tech614 was like "hurr durr WHAT DO YOU MEAN?"

    It's not an issue to me, but it's also retarded to say they didn't do exactly what Jastall said.

    Jastall said "They reused story bosses in an evergaol"
    Tech614 said "Hurr durr WHERE!?"
    I proceed to say exactly where.

    End of story.

  5. #1945
    Quote Originally Posted by BeepBoo View Post
    "This character with the same model and abbreviated moveset definitely isn't the same thing!"
    Right.
    Similar model with a simpler version of the moveset because its literally the boss in questions offspring, and completely optional having basically nothing to do with the main story. Literally complaining that they added content to the game, the same way every game on the planet adds optional content to their games.

    "OPTIONAL BOSS NOT 100% UNIQUE LAZY ASS DEVS"- can't make up this batshit insane logic that applies to almost every video game on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by infinitemeridian View Post
    Fighting the exact same looking boss with the exact same moveset cheapens the experience when the boss is supposed to by a major hype moment in the game. Godfrey, Astel, Godrick, the Ancient Dragons, and to a lesser extent Morgott (This one is not as bad since the fight changes drastically) all are cheapened by this.
    Yawn, Astel is an optional boss that gets reused what once? Maybe twice? I dunno I forgot counting space bugs but there definitely wasn't that many I only clearly remember him and the one close to temple of blood entrance. Complaining about Godfrey would be hilarious since it's an actual story telling moment, the crappy gold spirit version is just testing you and way more passive then even phase 1 of the hoarah loux fight and dragons well we complaining open world bosses are re-used now? That would be quite silly.

    Some of this logic is bat shit insane and not grounded in reality if you expect From Software to churn out 20 different completely unique dragon fights, or being a baby that a remembrance boss got recycled once for bonus content. This is certainly not logic formed by people that play video games regularly.

  6. #1946
    Quote Originally Posted by Zenfoldor View Post
    When you are going down the Haligtree, and you come the spot where you see a Erdtree Avatar patrolling the large ramparts to your right, when you continue on in that and you eventually reach a group of soliders and another Erdtree Avatar waiting for you with a Ballista, and blocking a door. It has been a very hard run for me, to get back there. What I would like to know, is that door closed, can I just run up and open it, and get the grace, or is it required to clear the Erdtree Avatar first. This is the Elphael Inner Wall I'm trying to get to.
    Go around them. There is an alternate path. Don’t want to spoil it for you unless you ask outright but this area has a lot of side areas and more than one way to get past that guy (one of the few big things I’ve yet to kill).

  7. #1947
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Similar model with a simpler version of the moveset because its literally the boss in questions offspring, and completely optional having basically nothing to do with the main story. Literally complaining that they added content to the game, the same way every game on the planet adds optional content to their games.

    "OPTIONAL BOSS NOT 100% UNIQUE LAZY ASS DEVS"- can't make up this batshit insane logic that applies to almost every video game on the planet.

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    Yawn, Astel is an optional boss that gets reused what once? Maybe twice? I dunno I forgot counting space bugs but there definitely wasn't that many I only clearly remember him and the one close to temple of blood entrance. Complaining about Godfrey would be hilarious since it's an actual story telling moment, the crappy gold spirit version is just testing you and way more passive then even phase 1 of the hoarah loux fight and dragons well we complaining open world bosses are re-used now? That would be quite silly.

    Some of this logic is bat shit insane and not grounded in reality if you expect From Software to churn out 20 different completely unique dragon fights, or being a baby that a remembrance boss got recycled once for bonus content. This is certainly not logic formed by people that play video games regularly.
    Nobody is saying not to have reused bosses. Just not ones that are big spectacle fights that occur at key story moments / quests. And just because other games do it is not an excuse. It's bad in those games, and it's bad here. All the more reason why open-world nonsense doesn't cater well to the series' strength. It also doesn't help that a lot of the fights you mentioned (the dragons, Godfrey #1) are pretty much trash in the first place.

  8. #1948
    Quote Originally Posted by SavoirFaire View Post
    Go around them. There is an alternate path. Don’t want to spoil it for you unless you ask outright but this area has a lot of side areas and more than one way to get past that guy (one of the few big things I’ve yet to kill).
    Hey, go ahead, please do tell, I'm getting near the end and don't want to miss anything. I'm past spoilers at this point, lol.

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    This isn't in response to the quoted poster but to some of the recent posts in this thread: I don't notice when they reuse models because I'm just here to have fun. How could anyone possibly care about that, I don't really get it?

    Getting lost in the weeds about what particular model is reused is missing the point imo.

    Someone said it "cheapens" the game. What does that even mean? How does reusing a model "cheapen" something?

    Look, if you dislike this game, everyone has their own opinion, but I would be surprised if ours lined up about most thing. Might as well tell me water is dry. This game is beyond great(imo) and no amount of "cheapening" of whatever could even affect that opinion. The game is gargantuan, and the best we got is subtraction by addition? Come on now. They did too much work and the game isn't good because of too much optional content "cheapening" the other content? Did you not know it was optional?
    Last edited by Zenfoldor; 2022-03-30 at 06:01 PM.

  9. #1949
    Quote Originally Posted by Zenfoldor View Post
    Hey, go ahead, please do tell, I'm getting near the end and don't want to miss anything. I'm past spoilers at this point, lol.
    Will tag for others.

    So you go from ?prayer room? Grace, turn right and hop down the roof. Hop off the ledge, move down the line (tower shield guy, few guys standing around on break). You keep going down stairs and go in the room with the two scarlet rot knights as I call them. When you exit that room, you turn left and there is a room with a root in it you can walk up. You walk up it and are on a ledge, and actually you can hop and walk down one of those structure ramps (not a normal ramp, hopefully you know what I mean). Careful here as if you stop the ballista guys in front of tree guy will shoot you off. At the end of it will be roof area and a scarab and one of those flowers that calls the wrath of god. You are on the roof area where two more scarlet rot guys are inside.

    From there you can hop down kill a few more soldiers, and sneak up on the side ballista guys. Wack them and there’s another structure ramp, you run up it, and then can hop off and be over that door. Go down a ladder and there will be a grace.

    Hope this is the door you are taking about.

  10. #1950
    Quote Originally Posted by Poppincaps View Post
    Any boss with a Rememberance should generally not be seen anywhere else in the game. I'll give a pass to Margit and Morgott because you could argue he is the Genichiro of this game and is repeated for story reasons. Same with Godfrey. I'll also give a pass to Lichdragon since you have to fight him on foot which most people fought Lansseax on horseback.

    They should not have repeated Godrick, The Regal Ancestor, Astel (this one bothers me the most), or Mohg. There are 15 rememberance bosses in the game and you fight a similar version of 7 of them. It fucks up the epicness of the fights in retrospect in my opinion.
    7 out of 15? Man that's way too much. Again, reusing stuff like dragons and Crucible Knights, fine. Reusing mainline Great Rune bearing bosses for no reason other than they can sucks tho, at least without a story reason; for example you fight Baldur proper twice in God of War but it makes sense both times, and the second go around he has an expanded moveset to keep the fight interesting. An even better example is Genichiro in Sekiro, who kicks your ass at first, then gives a tough but fair fight later on, and gets pooped on before you fight Isshin. That's a great mark of the player's progress and fully justified in-story by the fact that he's immortal. But randomly having Godrick's son in a random jail so that you fight the main guy's first phase again with bigger stats? That's just not interesting at all and diminishes the first fight IMO.

    @Verdugo Oh ok thanks, that confused me. Two dragons I've fought ended up disappearing while moving away from their arena but then respawned in the center of it. That one just vanished into thin air while my back was turned after I passed on my horse.
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  11. #1951
    Never played any of the Dark Souls games, but gotta say, this looks nice.

  12. #1952
    Such a daring game. It just flips me out how much they are willing to just cram into the world and be fine with the player never encountering half of it, at least.

    A single enemy sitting on a rock overlooking the pasture. A small pond among some thick trees near a cliffside hides a zombie that will rise from the mud if you splash through the pond. A dog gnaws on a bone beneath an overhanging rock, the bulk of the carcass down the road.

    Marvelous.

  13. #1953
    Quote Originally Posted by infinitemeridian View Post
    Nobody is saying not to have reused bosses. Just not ones that are big spectacle fights that occur at key story moments / quests. And just because other games do it is not an excuse. It's bad in those games, and it's bad here. All the more reason why open-world nonsense doesn't cater well to the series' strength. It also doesn't help that a lot of the fights you mentioned (the dragons, Godfrey #1) are pretty much trash in the first place.
    I get what you are saying, but if you think about it its kind of silly because why would you not reuse the best parts of anything?

    You want 50 fights of snail summoner or the imp cat?
    Suri Cruise and Katie Holmes are SP's.

  14. #1954
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    I get what you are saying, but if you think about it its kind of silly because why would you not reuse the best parts of anything?

    You want 50 fights of snail summoner or the imp cat?
    The snails summoners gona summon skinned boss. But i dont get the complaint either lol. Hell if there was optional super hard reskin of every main boss it would be awesome lol.

  15. #1955
    Kate Bush as From Soft games is one of the cleverest video games memes I have ever seen. A low bar, but it's brilliant.

  16. #1956
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    I get what you are saying, but if you think about it its kind of silly because why would you not reuse the best parts of anything?

    You want 50 fights of snail summoner or the imp cat?
    I'd rather have fewer fights that are good than 50 fights that are mediocre or reused. Quantity is no quality of its own.
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  17. #1957
    Last night I discovered that the phantom in the base is the dung eater and he gave me a Sewer Goel key, also I found the legendary spear on top of the spear in the capital pre-ash. Tonight I will raid the sewers and this weekend I shall ride in the Haligtree lower depths, shiny and chrome.

  18. #1958
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    I get what you are saying, but if you think about it its kind of silly because why would you not reuse the best parts of anything?

    You want 50 fights of snail summoner or the imp cat?
    The game doesn't need 50 fights. Honestly, 50 mini-dungeons is too much. They should have cut the number down by half at least and make them larger / more intricate with better encounters, puzzles, and diverse environments. All of this stems from the problem that the game is too large and could have been cut by a third, hell, even by half and it would still have been huge.

  19. #1959
    Quote Originally Posted by infinitemeridian View Post
    The game doesn't need 50 fights. Honestly, 50 mini-dungeons is too much. They should have cut the number down by half at least and make them larger / more intricate with better encounters, puzzles, and diverse environments. All of this stems from the problem that the game is too large and could have been cut by a third, hell, even by half and it would still have been huge.
    I do agree the game is too large for some people. My brother has not made nearly the progress I thought he would so far. That said, there are many, like myself, who love the game and love the additional content, even if it is somewhat respun.

    My brother doesn't just have problems with Elden Ring, but most open world games.

    It's a phenomenon I have dubbed "collecting in futility". Basically this is a person who will scour every corner of the map, caves, everything, their OCD simply cannot let them not do it. They have fomo for those caves and they prefer to play. I call it "collecting futility" because usually in other games, he will collect(search every corner, no matter how maddening for someone who is trying to actually watch him play) for like an hour, die, and then have to recollect it all again(luckily, From games flip that script on its head). Not everyone could be a streamer, and my brother could NEVER be a streamer because it is kinda boring watching his ocd fomo corner scouring of every inch of a game until either he wins or is burnt out.

    Problem is, open world design somewhat leaves pacing up to the player, some players, like my brother, simply cannot pace their own game. They can't do it. They are so excited about the game at first that they spend 100 hours in Limgrave, and get burnt out and never see the rest of the game.

    The first big challenge for the player in any open world game is to pace yourself. Pace yourself arbitrarily, against what one's own OCD and fomo will allow, and open world games can stop becoming such a chore. Pacing is a mechanical solution to an emotional problem. One simply does not want to skip content, but one also simply cannot spend 120 hours in Limgrave and still be hyped about going to the second area.

    The number one game that this affected me with was Dragon Age Origins and how I first realized this pitfall in nearly all open world games.

    The games are designed for multiple playthroughs, really, and the developers never think that any significant groups of players would be so ocd as to track down everything(but also hate doing it and not have fun, simply because of fomo), but the reality of gamers sets in and half of your audience can't understand wanting to scour, and the other half cannot understand NOT wanting to scour.

    I would point out that these pacing issues, and this asset reuse, is a problem in nearly all open world games, and only appears to be worse in Elden Ring because Elden Ring is more popular, got a higher metacritic score, and is actually even larger and much more difficult than most open world games. It's just open world design without handholding, made difficult, and scaled up in size. These issues were always going to appear. However, they are a cost to be paid to provide a game that the majority would hold dear and cherish. Improving open world design means experience open world design problems that this one developer couldn't fix, but it also means the best open world game so far.
    Last edited by Zenfoldor; 2022-03-31 at 04:25 PM.

  20. #1960
    Quote Originally Posted by infinitemeridian View Post
    The game doesn't need 50 fights. Honestly, 50 mini-dungeons is too much. They should have cut the number down by half at least and make them larger / more intricate with better encounters, puzzles, and diverse environments. All of this stems from the problem that the game is too large and could have been cut by a third, hell, even by half and it would still have been huge.
    The game indeed doesn't need them. You know, just like you don't have to do them all. That's the glory of it being optional content, you could do half or a third of them and still complete the game just fine. Amazing how logic works right?

    This isn't some fucking ubisoft game where "optional content" isn't actually optional. You can do as much or as little of it as you want to so complaining about it again is just complaining for the sake of it and not contributing to any discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenfoldor View Post
    I would point out that these pacing issues, and this asset reuse, is a problem in nearly all open world games
    Oh my friend, from software doesn't need it to be an open world game to re use the fuck out of assets. Not even in single games, a third of the assets in Dark Souls 3 are straight jacked from Bloodborne and another 3rd are just polished up Dark Souls 1 assets. Elden Ring is actually sitting pretty in this regard compared to their previous efforts but asset reuse is just a reality of game development.

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