An AU Azeroth without the Orcs...

[Syegfryed]

Because you keep ignoring the lore and comments conscientiously as always.

my dude, you are the one ignoring the lore.

you are literally ignoring word of god by blizzard, saying without horde and alliance the legion wins, the only way to defeat the legion is with both factions and without horde there is no alliance.

think geco, think!

There is no legion in W3. Tamponco can come in Bc. nor in Legion.
Sargeras exists but there keep looking for how to enter.

And when he enters Azeroth he will have the strength to fight.
I mean, how much do we need to finally avenge the Legion?

the amount of presumption and headcanon here is gigantic

You are trying to paint a picture that since things would go different, because no orcs, it would mean one, the legion would not come here ever, and two, we for some reason would just work out to be ready when the legion arrive.

That is just wishful thinking, assuming every single thing would go in your favor.

Without the orcs, the Legion would come here anyway, one way or another

And when they arrived, there would be no alliance or horde, therefore, the Legion wins. Again, the legion can only be defeated if Horde and alliance exist, ebcause the devs(word fo god) said so. that is not hard to grasp

[geco]

my dude, you are the one ignoring the lore.

you are literally ignoring word of god by blizzard, saying without horde and alliance the legion wins, the only way to defeat the legion is with both factions and without horde there is no alliance.

think geco, think!

But ... But in legion neither of them did anything.

the amount of presumption and headcanon here is gigantic

You are trying to paint a picture that since things would go different, because no orcs, it would mean one, the legion would not come here ever, and two, we for some reason would just work out to be ready when the legion arrive.

That is just wishful thinking, assuming every single thing would go in your favor.

Without the orcs, the Legion would come here anyway, one way or another

And when they arrived, there would be no alliance or horde, therefore, the Legion wins. Again, the legion can only be defeated if Horde and alliance exist, ebcause the devs(word fo god) said so. that is not hard to grasp

Or if I'm sure they will come eventually.
But they have already beaten them before and if they take too long to arrive, they will win again.

So I would say that if they take more than 1000 years they can no longer win.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

With no Legion and no Orcs, the biggest threats will be the old gods and the trolls.

Relative peace on Azeroth for 25 years. Maybe some limited wars and borders shift a little between in the Eastern Kingdoms but nothing major or destructive.

In year 25, C'thun wakes up and his Qiraji empire begins expanding in Southern Kalimdor. Night Elf scouts and scrying Dalaran mages detect the army movements. Council Tirisfal motivates the Eastern Kingdoms to form a joint expedition to Kalimdor to stop the Qiraji. The Alliance of Lordaeron is formed and an invasion fleet sails across the Great Sea and lands on Kalimdor. A beachhead is formed that will later become the Alliance's main port city on Kalimdor (ie this AU's incarnation of Theramore). The Alliance eventually links up with the Night Elves and they defeat C'thun.

It should be noted, by the year 25 when this happens, the AU Alliance would be FAR, FAR stronger than the canon Alliance, as none of the Eastern Kingdoms would have been devastated in the First and Second Wars. Stormwind isn't destroyed so no Stonemason's riot happens. Deathwing and his brood are less successful at infiltrating the Eastern Kingdoms.

With the Qiraji eliminated, the Eastern Kingdoms begins colonizing Kalimdor. The Tauren are brought into the Alliance. Centaur and Quillboar tribes probably refuse to join and are pushed back or wiped out. Furbolg tribes might join. Sand trolls are wiped out (or they run away to join Zandalar).

Gnomish/Dwarven engineering, Night Elf and Gilnean druidic magics, and the magics of Dalaran mages are used to begin terraforming the barren wastes of Kalimdor into habitable, fertile land. Lots of immigration begins and Kalimdor becomes the New World of Azeroth.

2 years later, old god activity is once again detected by scrying mages, this time in Northrend. An Alliance expedition is once again formed to assault Ulduar. With the Tauren in the alliance, the Taunka likely join as well. More Furbolg tribes too, probably. The ice troll kingdom is destroyed, either succumbing to Yogg Saron's influence, or by attacking the Alliance and then being promptly crushed. Survivors likely run off to join Zandalar. Halls of Ulduar are breached and Yogg Saron is defeated.

It is uncertain whether or not the Cataclysm will happen. As mentioned before, Deathwing was likely less successful in this AU. It is entirely possible that he may have been chased down and killed before the year 28.

It is uncertain whether or not Pandaria is discovered in this AU, as there is no Alliance ship trying to evade a Horde vessel that would cause the Ally ship to go so far off course. If the Zandalari Empire was as big as it was described to be in pre-BFA lore, then the Alliance and the Zandalari Empire could enter into a war which would trigger the discovery of Pandaria. If so, then Pandaria joins the Alliance, the Mantid near completely wiped out, the Mogu defeated and the Sha are vanquished. If Zandalari is instead pitifully weak and small as depicted in BFA, then likely no war happens, as the Zandalari won't want to be wiped out and thus won't encourage hostilities, and Pandaria might not be discovered.

Legion probably doesn't happen because the Legion still doesn't know where Azeroth is, nor is anyone summoning the Legion to Azeroth. By the time Sargeras finally located Azeroth, the Alliance will likely be a spacefaring empire. If Illidan wasn't already released from jail to help fight the old gods, then he will be released now. Same result as in Legion: a portal to Argus is created, the Alliance use their spaceships to land an invasion force on Argus and raid Antorus and put an end to the Burning Legion forever.

Alliance engineers drill deep into the earth and inject thousands and thousands of tons of lethal poisons into the very bodies of the old gods, killing them.

AU ends with the Alliance spreading out across the galaxy.

[Syegfryed]

But ... But in legion neither of them did anything.

of course they did, it was just off-camera

also, do you think the heroes of the classhalls are made from what? horde and alliance races

Again, think geco, think! without horde or alliance there would be no heroes in the class hall either.

Besides, you are assuming Legion would happen exactly the same, but instead of horde there would be just an stronger alliance, and again, is a false presumption

Or if I'm sure they will come eventually.
But they have already beaten them before and if they take too long to arrive, they will win again.

that is, again, you assuming that, and it is already explained by blizzard the LEgion would win, regardless, ot the time they take.

you know why? because there would be no alliance and horde.

So I would say that if they take more than 1000 years they can no longer win.

and that is a headcanon, that matter what you, said, what it matter is what blizzard says, because they said no matter how many years pass, without horde or alliance Legion win.

Rly, are you being serious right now?

[geco]

of course they did, it was just off-camera

also, do you think the heroes of the classhalls are made from what? horde and alliance races

Again, think geco, think! without horde or alliance there would be no heroes in the class hall either.

Besides, you are assuming Legion would happen exactly the same, but instead of horde there would be just an stronger alliance, and again, is a false presumption



that is, again, you assuming that, and it is already explained by blizzard the LEgion would win, regardless, ot the time they take.

you know why? because there would be no alliance and horde.



and that is a headcanon, that matter what you, said, what it matter is what blizzard says, because they said no matter how many years pass, without horde or alliance Legion win.

Rly, are you being serious right now?

What say blizzard?
You find that blizzard contradicts itself all the time. Stop repeating that in a "what if" debte you don't seem to understand the subject.


And your bas is "in the long run the legion wins because it is immortal" and mine is "in the long run the Kaldorei win because they are immortal and they have already won before."
But there is a theme ... In the long run Azeroth also wakes up so you do not have to beat the legion just to do time.

The W3 legion may have been fearsome but the WoW legion is not that dangerous. perhaps with the other writers the Horde were a "necessary evil" but with the current ones they are something left over from history.

[ohwell]

No horde
Without Guldan
Without Nerzul
Without Lich King
Without AnubArack
No Plague
Without Keltuzad
Without Arthas
Without Archiomde
No Legion in W3
No peel on Mount Hyjal

The only "token" that would have legion would be Mediv.




If Broxigar were 100% cannon. Tyrande and the Kaldorei would get along with the Orcs.

But no matter how much they write what Kanack wants. W3 continues to exist. So Broxigar only altered the timeline and this is the original Line where the Elves won in 250 years.

And possibly that would be the real difference between Cone without Horde. The wars would simply last longer.

They wouldn't even have Medivh. 1 Sargeras to possess him. That 1 Sargeras was in our Medivh.

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my dude, you are the one ignoring the lore.

you are literally ignoring word of god by blizzard, saying without horde and alliance the legion wins, the only way to defeat the legion is with both factions and without horde there is no alliance.

think geco, think!




the amount of presumption and headcanon here is gigantic

You are trying to paint a picture that since things would go different, because no orcs, it would mean one, the legion would not come here ever, and two, we for some reason would just work out to be ready when the legion arrive.

That is just wishful thinking, assuming every single thing would go in your favor.

Without the orcs, the Legion would come here anyway, one way or another

And when they arrived, there would be no alliance or horde, therefore, the Legion wins. Again, the legion can only be defeated if Horde and alliance exist, ebcause the devs(word fo god) said so. that is not hard to grasp

You're the one ignoring the lore. There's only 1 legion for all timelines. If there were no orcs, then it isn't our timeline and the Legion was pretty much occupied with ours. Their generals of the most power were pretty singular and obsessed with our timeline.

[Feanoro]

The "Legion wins without the orcs" was never anything more than a ham fisted excuse when Metzen whitewashed the orcs in WC3. This speculative thread has more than pointed out that they destroyed and weakened WAY more than they helped.

[Syegfryed]

What say blizzard?
You find that blizzard contradicts itself all the time. Stop repeating that in a "what if" debte you don't seem to understand the subject.

there is no contradicting and there is no point in "what if, if we already know what it happens

If we already know what happens, and its Legion winning, what is the logic, or sense, in pretending something different?

And your bas is "in the long run the legion wins because it is immortal" and mine is "in the long run the Kaldorei win because they are immortal and they have already won before."

"they winning before", is not a base from then winning again, is a fallacy, because blizzard already said the only way that the Legion lose is with alliance and horde.

they can take thousand of years, it will not matter, they are fated to lose, because that is the canon, if you want a reason, just look how lazy and sloppy the night elves became in RoC, it is just delusion to think they would became a super power.

But there is a theme ... In the long run Azeroth also wakes up so you do not have to beat the legion just to do time.

they oubviouslly, would corrupted the world soul before that, and there was nothing the mortals could do.

The W3 legion may have been fearsome but the WoW legion is not that dangerous. perhaps with the other writers the Horde were a "necessary evil" but with the current ones they are something left over from history.

they said over and over that the Legion in wow was the most fearsome, they just didn't show in the game, but it was way worse, to the point we could only win by invading their planet.

The necessary" evil, still is truth, and without then Legion wins.

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You're the one ignoring the lore. There's only 1 legion for all timelines. If there were no orcs, then it isn't our timeline and the Legion was pretty much occupied with ours. Their generals of the most power were pretty singular and obsessed with our timeline.

If the legion acts in the AU draenor then there is no reason to not go over au azeroth, and they do, and without the horde, the result would be the same.

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The "Legion wins without the orcs" was never anything more than a ham fisted excuse when Metzen whitewashed the orcs in WC3. This speculative thread has more than pointed out that they destroyed and weakened WAY more than they helped.

Man, must be painful to hear that the horde was necessary, and without then there would be no alliance., especially for you that hate then with your heart.

[BobAwesome]

Legion probably doesn't happen because the Legion still doesn't know where Azeroth is, nor is anyone summoning the Legion to Azeroth.

Maybe I missed something on the other pages but pretty sure this was covered in on the first page as the Highborne had attracted the attention of the Legion with their abuse of the Well of Eternity.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Maybe I missed something on the other pages but pretty sure this was covered in on the first page as the Highborne had attracted the attention of the Legion with their abuse of the Well of Eternity.

The Highborne had managed to communicate with Sargeras and opened a portal, but it seems like the Legion didn't know where in the galaxy the whispers were coming from. It's like having a radio and being able to pick up radio signals but you don't know where that signal is coming from. If Sargeras knew where Azeroth was, then there wouldn't have been a 10,000 year gap between the War of the Ancients and the return of the Legion (and the Legion only returned because Gul'dan opened a portal to summon them here).

[Feanoro]

Man, must be painful to hear that the horde was necessary, and without then there would be no alliance., especially for you that hate then with your heart.

Not nearly as painful as seeing you repeatedly fail to understand this thread.

[Triceron]

Au azeroth is pointless and not important ebcause

Then why are you in this thread? Just to troll people who are discussing AU Azeroth?

[WintersLegion]

Maybe I missed something on the other pages but pretty sure this was covered in on the first page as the Highborne had attracted the attention of the Legion with their abuse of the Well of Eternity.

It also seems like people are forgetting that Medivh was possessed by Sargeras since before his birth and was instrumental in bringing in the Orcs if there were no Orcs he would of done something else probably just flat out summoning the Legion.

[Syegfryed]

Then why are you in this thread? Just to troll people who are discussing AU Azeroth?

Au azeroth would have the same fate as MU, because AU azeroth would not have alliance no horde to protect then.

And blizzard said it was necessary both factions to win, wihshful thinking something new would happen and stop then is just headcanon when we already have the canon of what is going to happen.

They even said the other timelines just cease to exist, so au azeroth would be destroyed either way.

Not nearly as painful as seeing you repeatedly fail to understand this thread.

yeah, no, by your record you must hate orcs/horde more

[Feanoro]

Then why are you in this thread? Just to troll people who are discussing AU Azeroth?

Because he's one of the biggest unironic orc apologists on this forum, and probably doesn't want more people realizing what a stupid cop out "Legion wins without the orcs" was.

[Traveler Voltin]

its cool to speculate things but since this question has been answered by blizzard. its kind of pointless speculation.

[Triceron]

Au azeroth would have the same fate as MU, because AU azeroth would not have alliance no horde to protect then.

Except the Alliance did nothing but fall during Warcraft 3 and only a handful of Theramore survivors did anything to protect Hyjal. Plus that ended up being fairly meaningless since the Legion crushed both Human and Orc camps, leaving them scattered.

Again, you're just trolling.

They even said the other timelines just cease to exist, so au azeroth would be destroyed either way.

"Though the novel seemingly depicts this alternate universe collapsing, Christie Golden clarified that it represented Thrall and Nozdormu escaping its grasp more so than it being destroyed."

Not destroyed at all. AUs still exist, exact reason why Yrel and her army of the Light still exist in a separate timeline.

Even Danuser talked about how souls of the same character of different timelines all form a 'rope' of realities that defines a character. AU's all collectively exist in parallel together, and they don't just collapse like you think it does. The writers have spoken.

[Aucald]

Source?

Chronicle Vol. 3 (pg. 132), there's an aside that returns alternative timeways to the rules previously established in Twilight of the Aspects, where AU continuities are temporary and eventually collapse.

[Traveler Voltin]

Except the Alliance did nothing but fall during Warcraft 3 and only a handful of Theramore survivors did anything to protect Hyjal. Plus that ended up being fairly meaningless since the Legion crushed both Human and Orc camps, leaving them scattered.

Again, you're just trolling.



"Though the novel seemingly depicts this alternate universe collapsing, Christie Golden clarified that it represented Thrall and Nozdormu escaping its grasp more so than it being destroyed."

Not destroyed at all. AUs still exist, exact reason why Yrel and her army of the Light still exist in a separate timeline.

Even Danuser talked about how souls of the same character of different timelines all form a 'rope' of realities that defines a character. AU's all collectively exist in parallel together, and they don't just collapse like you think it does. The writers have spoken.

AU Dreanor exists still because it interacted with the MU.

[Aucald]

AU Dreanor exists still because it interacted with the MU.

Based on the Mag'har recruitment scenario it seems AU Draenor is collapsing. Whether this is normal timeway collapse or something completely else is unknown, however.