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  1. #361
    I finally used my boost. Guild’s been fighting to find a healer for 3 weeks. While I may have saved 4 weeks of leveling (6 hours/day, minus raid times for main), it definitely helped the economy. 1,500g dropped for Enchanting and Tailoring mats I wouldn’t have bought otherwise. And now I’m spamming dungeon pugs to level, which is a net positive for LFG.

    So yeah, sorry to all the people who’ve been personally injured by my decision. The sellers of the old world mats and the randoms who don’t have to wait for a healer definitely didn’t lose.

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    Here's what I do know for sure, this is now 19/20 pages long, obviously there's massive divide in the WoW community all possible by the silent treatment Blizzard has been giving people.

    If you dont like the hate you give, stop acting in a way that makes A LOT of people hate you. Id get it if it were a small loud crowd, but arguably, more than 50% of people are displeased with WoW and im arbitrarily taking these numbers by adding the amount of UPDOOTS the media (video) has completely ignoring and hoping you could also ignore the fact that some of these people all roam around the same social circles but so its almost certain that the same people will also be updooting the media on other platforms as well and you wouldn't have even questioned it had I not said anything, yea, I know.

    Anywho, point is, WoW sucks rn, those of us nay sayers dont want it to die, we want it to be better.

  3. #363
    Quote Originally Posted by Prag View Post
    I finally used my boost. Guild’s been fighting to find a healer for 3 weeks. While I may have saved 4 weeks of leveling (6 hours/day, minus raid times for main), it definitely helped the economy. 1,500g dropped for Enchanting and Tailoring mats I wouldn’t have bought otherwise. And now I’m spamming dungeon pugs to level, which is a net positive for LFG.

    So yeah, sorry to all the people who’ve been personally injured by my decision. The sellers of the old world mats and the randoms who don’t have to wait for a healer definitely didn’t lose.
    what's the point of your message?

  4. #364
    Quote Originally Posted by Rinnegan2 View Post
    well the traction this video got means Blizzard can go back to the no mtx days for retail. 50% are indifferent whether there are mtx and 50% are against mtx. let's go back to 12 million subs. sounds good to me.
    Love those figures. I can play that game too. 10% hate mtx, 30% buys everything, 60% don't care and/or buy some.


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  5. #365
    Quote Originally Posted by Prag View Post
    I finally used my boost. Guild’s been fighting to find a healer for 3 weeks. While I may have saved 4 weeks of leveling (6 hours/day, minus raid times for main), it definitely helped the economy. 1,500g dropped for Enchanting and Tailoring mats I wouldn’t have bought otherwise. And now I’m spamming dungeon pugs to level, which is a net positive for LFG.

    So yeah, sorry to all the people who’ve been personally injured by my decision. The sellers of the old world mats and the randoms who don’t have to wait for a healer definitely didn’t lose.
    Grats for supporting bad practices and contributing to having more and more mtxs in the future. And not just in this game but future Blizz games.

    In the end, you didn’t injure “us” but yourself and the game.

    Have a cookie.
    Last edited by Mahcake; 2021-06-21 at 08:25 PM.

  6. #366
    Quote Originally Posted by Trbn View Post
    what's the point of your message?
    That I used the boost, nobody died, and it benefited more people directly than it harmed.

  7. #367
    Quote Originally Posted by Trbn View Post
    what's the point of your message?
    Its quite clear that they are putting forward an honest opinion on the net positive outcome for them boosting a toon. They benefit by saving, in their words, 4 weeks. Their guild benefits, because they gain a healer. The economy benefits, by driving up demand for leveling mats. And the community as a whole benefited by having another healer in the pool for TBC leveling content and dungeons.

    To be honest, it was all outlined quite clearly, and the only reason someone wouldn't see this is because they were desperately trying not to.
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    you have to be a moron to of said .

  8. #368
    Quote Originally Posted by Magical Mudcrab View Post
    You're assumption is false. Players overwhelmingly went with the meta covenant with no regard to "the covenant they liked best", typically either choosing the meta or the most flexible ability between multiple specs (i.e.: such as Night Fae for Mages).
    I stand corrected, thanks. Haven't read it yet, but guess they are scraping the armory and not using an addon to collect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Magical Mudcrab View Post
    Not having a legendary when the barrier to entry on obtaining one is so low is, honestly, an instant disqualification from groups. The most performant legendaries are incredibly impactful and not having one is a demonstration that the player has not dedicated any time into their character. I would be shocked if anyone was able to get into groups without one and would suspect people without one would be kicked immediately if they were seen as not having one in a pug (or forced to grind Torghast if seen by their raid leader).
    But getting a 'low' level legendary is not that hard, crafting wise anyway.

    Getting it to drop, that might be an issue but well, getting any BIS item to drop is, and that never been different. So arguing that Blizzard is using it to buff MAU Nr's is arguing they used the same method to buff Sub nr's back in the day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magical Mudcrab View Post
    I agree, Blizzard's poor bot management is likely not a means by which to inflate their MUA. Frankly, it's probably a mix of incompetence and the difficulty of the issue. Determining bot behavior from player behavior, especially as bots begin to use ML algorithms to mimic real users makes bot detection exponentially harder, which is compounded by the fact that many WoW players have the mentality of bots and will sit there casting Starfall on packs for hours on end, just like the bots do.
    Agree, its an arms race and Blizzard has a fine line to walk as well, be to aggressive and end up banning innocent players, be to lenient and get flac for it. As for people just casting starfall, well yea.. seems some people really only know 1 or 2 buttons.. Bots better be as bad as players if they don't want to be noticed

    Quote Originally Posted by Magical Mudcrab View Post
    however, in the situation you described of a player just raid logging or doing their mission tables and a couple world quests and calling it a day, this means that Blizzard is failing to incentivize play for them.
    Or they lack the time or are happy doing just a few activities. Some people only log on to do pet battles apparently.

    I mean, myself as an example, I work 40+ hour paid normally, have several standby hours/days, take care of my sick mother and housekeeping, a dog to entertain, movies and series to watch, other games I like to play.. I can't/don't spend hours in WoW. Now there are surely people who do the same but also have children to take care of, some might even have real life friends to spend time with outside of wow.. Seems some people even have a sport to spend time on

    Quote Originally Posted by Magical Mudcrab View Post
    These aren't the same game and have different intended audiences. Retail WoW is best defined by convenience and has boiled down the experience to endgame progression. Outside of story and world quests there isn't that much to do if you're not a hardcore raider. In the world of a themepark MMO, this simply is not enough. Consider how games like ESO keep all previous content relevant by spreading out unique item sets (both drops and craftables) between zones (incl. delves), dungeons, trials (raid equivalent), and PvP. Comparing WoW to most MMOs, if you aren't doing hardcore (or progression) content, you're really just paying more for less given the lack of casual content.

    TBC, on the other hand, is not an alt friendly experience and is not meant to be. There is a set path for gear progression which will likely be followed throughout the expansion and, due to loot scarcity, alts will likely need to wait some time before having gear from recent raids made available to them. The system is a little antiquated, but delayed gratification makes people feel more invested in their characters.
    I was mostly aiming at "to little content in retail/ there is a draught" argument, while some people keep referring to Vanilla/TBC as the be all of WoW and the use your main to gear up your alt wish.

    So, what is there in Vanilla/TBC that is missing in modern WoW? Isn't it pretty much the same since TBC? Dailies, pet battles, leveling alts, fishing/farming, just roaming around, helping others, pvp.. Not to mention the amount of pets/mounts/toys there is to collect.

    For a 'causal' player Raiding and doing more difficult content like Mythic (not perse M+) are added to that list in modern WoW. Pugging existed for sure, but according to Blizzard themselves Raiding is (still?) only done by a few players. In TBC, if you done the heroic dungeons you were pretty much done. Now people can argu M+ is the same content harder, but well, at least you get to do it harder and with different strategies most likely. (Not that different with a game like say doom where you can pick harder difficulties after you practiced the easier ones long enough)

    Blizzard never really liked the "use main to gear up alts" and IMHO modern WoW is a lot easier to do it this way then the original WoW and several expansions down the line.

    As for keeping content relevant, I guess that's partly the goal of Time walking, vs the "Blizzard keeps reharsing the same content complaints". if there is one thing WoW players are good at is having wonderfully opposite wishes.
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  9. #369
    Quote Originally Posted by Prag View Post
    That I used the boost, nobody died, and it benefited more people directly than it harmed.
    I can read
    I was asking why did you decide anybody intrested in your story?

  10. #370
    Quote Originally Posted by Mahcake View Post
    Grats for supporting bad practices and contributing to having more and more mtxs in the future. And not just in this game but future Blizz games. Have a cookie.
    Gonna go out on a limb and guess that they’ll add stuff regardless, considering my lack of purchasing previously didn’t stop it?

    And I definitely didn’t injure myself or, more importantly, our 3rd Kara group that has had to cancel 2/3 of their raids because they can’t find a healer.

    You want to see all downside, and that’s just not the reality.
    Last edited by Prag; 2021-06-21 at 08:38 PM.

  11. #371
    Quote Originally Posted by Prag View Post
    That I used the boost, nobody died, and it benefited more people directly than it harmed.
    If you can’t see/foresee what buying a specific thing can do thus “saying” with your money what you want than there’s nothing to talk about with you.

  12. #372
    Quote Originally Posted by Mahcake View Post
    If you can’t see/foresee what buying a specific thing can do thus “saying” with your money what you want than there’s nothing to talk about with you.
    Do you think they hold your $15/month in some separate piggy bank called the “honest gamer fund”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trbn View Post
    mau is combined number from all blizzard games
    no it aint.
    they literally say in the QR's "Wows MAU has gone up consistently as of X."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trbn View Post
    I can read
    I was asking why did you decide anybody intrested in your story?
    What is the point of this message?
    Why did you decide anybody interested in your story?

  14. #374
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    no it aint.
    they literally say in the QR's "Wows MAU has gone up consistently as of X."
    I'll give you 1 message chance to prove it.

  15. #375
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    no it aint.
    they literally say in the QR's "Wows MAU has gone up consistently as of X."
    Yes, it is. Look at the reports. It clearly says “Blizzard” above the number. Next to Activision and King.

    Here for example: https://www.dailyquest.it/wp-content...1-1024x575.jpg

    If you think WoW has or had 32m MAU, you’re crazy.
    Last edited by Mahcake; 2021-06-21 at 09:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trbn View Post
    I'll give you 1 message chance to prove it.
    https://www.wowhead.com/news/activis...tles-in-320763

    "World of Warcraft has seen strong enagement in Classic and Retail throughout 2020. Full year franchise net bookings grew 40% year-over-year, with sharp growth in the fourth quarter attributed to the sales of Shadowlands, reaching the highest level in nearly a decade. MAUs grew year-over-year for the sixth consecutive quarter."

    MAUs grew year-over-year for the sixth consecutive quarter.
    Yes this LAST one did not mention it, but it didnt say wow's dropped either.
    funny though that MAU for wow grew consistently over the last year and 1 quarter of BFA, and also apparently a fair bit over shadowlands, odd IMO, guess more people played BFA then we thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahcake View Post
    Yes, it is. Look at the reports. It clearly says “Blizzard” above the number. Next to Activision and King.

    Here for example: https://www.dailyquest.it/wp-content...1-1024x575.jpg
    UH OHHHHHHH STINKYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
    You link 1 image from a single frame of the report, instead of ya, know, the entire report.

    ALSO that report you linked is the 2019 2nd qaurter report, so literally 2 years ago, the one i linked is the final report of last year, 2020 Q4.
    Last edited by FelPlague; 2021-06-21 at 09:25 PM.

  17. #377
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    https://www.wowhead.com/news/activis...tles-in-320763

    "World of Warcraft has seen strong enagement in Classic and Retail throughout 2020. Full year franchise net bookings grew 40% year-over-year, with sharp growth in the fourth quarter attributed to the sales of Shadowlands, reaching the highest level in nearly a decade. MAUs grew year-over-year for the sixth consecutive quarter."

    MAUs grew year-over-year for the sixth consecutive quarter.
    .
    you can't be this stupid

    show where it is said that it's only wow MAU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trbn View Post
    you can't be this stupid

    show where it is said that it's only wow MAU
    World of Warcraft has seen strong enagement in Classic and Retail throughout 2020. Full year franchise net bookings grew 40% year-over-year, with sharp growth in the fourth quarter attributed to the sales of Shadowlands, reaching the highest level in nearly a decade. MAUs grew year-over-year for the sixth consecutive quarter.

    you gotta be fucking kidding my dude. i literally linked it.

  19. #379
    Quote Originally Posted by Trbn View Post
    you can't be this stupid

    show where it is said that it's only wow MAU
    Remember that time you said “I can read”?

    Yeah, try reading what he linked. It was also on the front page for like a week - both the report and the direct quote about WoW MAUs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    World of Warcraft has seen strong enagement in Classic and Retail throughout 2020. Full year franchise net bookings grew 40% year-over-year, with sharp growth in the fourth quarter attributed to the sales of Shadowlands, reaching the highest level in nearly a decade. MAUs grew year-over-year for the sixth consecutive quarter.

    you gotta be fucking kidding my dude. i literally linked it.
    can't see sorry

    Quote Originally Posted by Prag View Post
    Remember that time you said “I can read”?

    Yeah, try reading what he linked. It was also on the front page for like a week - both the report and the direct quote about WoW MAUs.

    ahahaha, i see you are mad

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