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    What happens to Chromie Time in a new expansion?

    Chromie Time, introduced in Shadowlands is going to be difficult to carry over into a new expansion. If we were to simply get a new expansion, what happens with it? To me, there seems to be three options, none of which sound completely appealing or likely.

    1) Would we have to level 1-50 in pre Shadowlands, 51-60 in Shadowlands, then to 70 in new expansion? That would defeat the purpose of introducing Chromie Time, which was to make it easier for new players to access the newest content.

    2) All Shadowlands and pre-Shadowlands content would scale from 1-60 and then level to 70 in new content. This would require an entire re-scaling of previous content and leveling every time we get a new expansion and each level would take even less time to get to.

    3) We stay at level 60 for the new expansion. While there could be merit here, this doesn't seem to jive with Blizzard's design philosophy of having a fresh reset for new content.

    What do you all think?

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    They seem intent on keeping the numbers from getting out of control so either this expansion or the next there's probably going to be another squish and they seem to like 60.

    So it would be a combo of 2 and 3 imo.

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    More than likely option number 2. With a change - BFA drops down to be included in Chromie time (making the choice WotLK/Cata/Pandaria/Draenor/Legion/BFA) and SL becomes the new default 10-60 xpac for 'new' players (and an option always for players who already have a max level toon).

    Blizz likely already made the scaling work as long as it needs to - Quests aren't giving a set XP anymore so much as a sliding scale based on level. Same with mob HP/attack. Adding new levels doesn't mess that up much. and adding another 1-2hours of questing to get from 1-60 instead of 1-50 to start the current/new Xpac isn't really that big of an ask...

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    The easiest option would just be to make shadowlands scale from 1-50 and put us back to lvl 50. Nothing pre shadowlands would have to be touched just stat scaling from shadowlands would have to be put inline with the other expans.
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    Imagine they would just slot sl into the spot bfa is in. I don't think blizzard cares at all about level scaling so long as it's not so fast it hurts boost sales.

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    I'd assume Shadowlands becomes 1-50 content like all the rest. That we'd get squished to 50, level to 60 in expac following SL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    Imagine they would just slot sl into the spot bfa is in. I don't think blizzard cares at all about level scaling so long as it's not so fast it hurts boost sales.
    definitely this - they don't want it too fast that it hurts boost sales, or too slow that it seems daunting. one xpac to get you from 10-50 or 60 is the perfect sweet spot + then you get the current xpac.

    I doubt they will do another level squish until we approach 100, likely end up being max level 60SL, 70SL+, 80SL++, 90SL+++, 100SL+++, drop to 50 and then repeat with the new xpac going to 60. things just seem like so much 'more' when you get into triple digits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rellex View Post
    definitely this - they don't want it too fast that it hurts boost sales, or too slow that it seems daunting. one xpac to get you from 10-50 or 60 is the perfect sweet spot + then you get the current xpac.

    I doubt they will do another level squish until we approach 100, likely end up being max level 60SL, 70SL+, 80SL++, 90SL+++, 100SL+++, drop to 50 and then repeat with the new xpac going to 60. things just seem like so much 'more' when you get into triple digits.
    The problem I see with this is that SL would need to fill levels 10-60. Then next expansion it would need to fill levels 10-70 and so on. Eventually the content won't allow players to hit max level, or exp gains will be giant and each level will zoom by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hipolnalrt View Post
    The problem I see with this is that SL would need to fill levels 10-60. Then next expansion it would need to fill levels 10-70 and so on. Eventually the content won't allow players to hit max level, or exp gains will be giant and each level will zoom by.
    They will just scale it up or down. They are not going for the perfect experience just filler content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    They will just scale it up or down. They are not going for the perfect experience just filler content.
    I get that. I just think that its just one more thing that they are going to have to balance and re-balance every expansion. Its going to take someone some amount of work to do which could be time working on new systems. It would be great if they just had a set it and forget it system here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohwell View Post
    They seem intent on keeping the numbers from getting out of control so either this expansion or the next there's probably going to be another squish and they seem to like 60.

    So it would be a combo of 2 and 3 imo.
    This, basically

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    Adds BfA to the pool with SL being the required leveling for new players

    Soooo complex

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    I'm guessing it'll just be us getting downleveled to 50, Shadowlands leveling content being the main 10-50 content, & 50-60 being whatever the new expansion is. This feels like the sort of system they plan to continue for the time being to have a consistent starting experience in place as well as to have a narrative from the leveling content leading to the current expansion.

    Current Weapons/Armor being downleveled as well seems possible as they'd otherwise probably need to uplevel everything else to match what gear should look like at 50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razion View Post
    I'd assume Shadowlands becomes 1-50 content like all the rest. That we'd get squished to 50, level to 60 in expac following SL.
    ANd then they would lose a ton more players as they would kill progression completely. What they will do is 1-60, and the new ewxpansion is 60-70. Keeps progression in place and keep chromie time a fast way to get to current content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hipolnalrt View Post
    The problem I see with this is that SL would need to fill levels 10-60. Then next expansion it would need to fill levels 10-70 and so on. Eventually the content won't allow players to hit max level, or exp gains will be giant and each level will zoom by.
    That is not a problem. That is what scaling is for. They can always adjust it. SO what if levels zoom by at the end? You will be back to 50 after 100 anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    ANd then they would lose a ton more players as they would kill progression completely. What they will do is 1-60, and the new ewxpansion is 60-70. Keeps progression in place and keep chromie time a fast way to get to current content.

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    That is not a problem. That is what scaling is for. They can always adjust it. SO what if levels zoom by at the end? You will be back to 50 after 100 anyway.
    progression is essentially already killed every raid tier

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    ANd then they would lose a ton more players as they would kill progression completely. What they will do is 1-60, and the new ewxpansion is 60-70. Keeps progression in place and keep chromie time a fast way to get to current content.
    What progression is ruined? You're leveling the ten levels either way. The level cap because it just has to be squished again later anyway. Is the idea here to wait to squish until lv100 or something? I suppose that's fine to give it breathing room before they have to do it again if it absolutely can't be automated, but once it reaches triple digits it starts feeling unapproachable again. This is when squishes start to become mandatory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razion View Post
    What progression is ruined? You're leveling the ten levels either way. The level cap because it just has to be squished again later anyway. Is the idea here to wait to squish until lv100 or something? I suppose that's fine to give it breathing room before they have to do it again if it absolutely can't be automated, but once it reaches triple digits it starts feeling unapproachable again. This is when squishes start to become mandatory.
    The exp[ansion to expansion progression. Going back to 50 completely resets it. There is zero point in leveling if you do that. Why level to 60 when you are put right back at 50? Gear will also have to be rest because you are already being suished tight to begin with. You can go for a couple expansions before you go back to 50. 100 is the perfect spot to reset to 50 after. Leveling won't be impacted that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    There is zero point in leveling if you do that.
    The ONLY purpose of leveling, outside of "wasting" a few hours of gameplay trying to justify a boxed price. Is to soft reset stat scalling.

    You end an expansion with 40% crit and blizzard wants you to have 12% when starting raiding in the new expansion.
    Leveling is here to bring those 40% to 12% softly without people feeling it too much.

    That's the sad part of the modern leveling. It's meant to make you weak again, instead of making you stronger and stronger like it did in Vanilla. But it's also the only way to making this reset not feel randomly harsh at X.0 patch day.

    The "level number" is completely irrelevant at this point. We went from 120 to 50 to 60. And nobody really gives a fuck. Max level could be 45 in next expansion and it still wouldn't change a thing. We could be level 45 with 1mio health points, or 70 with 40K. Level number is just a random number, always was, always will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hipolnalrt View Post
    Chromie Time, introduced in Shadowlands is going to be difficult to carry over into a new expansion. If we were to simply get a new expansion, what happens with it? To me, there seems to be three options, none of which sound completely appealing or likely.

    1) Would we have to level 1-50 in pre Shadowlands, 51-60 in Shadowlands, then to 70 in new expansion? That would defeat the purpose of introducing Chromie Time, which was to make it easier for new players to access the newest content.

    2) All Shadowlands and pre-Shadowlands content would scale from 1-60 and then level to 70 in new content. This would require an entire re-scaling of previous content and leveling every time we get a new expansion and each level would take even less time to get to.

    3) We stay at level 60 for the new expansion. While there could be merit here, this doesn't seem to jive with Blizzard's design philosophy of having a fresh reset for new content.

    What do you all think?
    4) They de level us back to 50, add shadowlands to the pool of level up expansions, and start the cycle over again.

    This dose 4 things,
    1. It makes it so your alts are never that far behind, they only need to level up 10 more times to be caught up, it doesn't matter if you haven't played them for the last 3 expansions.
    2. It jives with what they said for BFA being the "required newbie experience" in that they will always use the last expansion as the show piece for people starting fresh.
    3. They will never again have to squish the levels because everything old will always be 1-50 and the current expansion will be 51-60 It's just form now on you will get a level 60 Shadowlands (Or what ever expansion) Feat of strength if you did it while it was current.
    4. It also removes the need for Item level squishes because we will no longer get to crazy highs, it will always end back around a consistent level come the new content.
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    I don’t think squishing us back to 50 every expansion is a good idea but not doing that does give the same problem that led to the squish in the first place; levels get too high, not enough spells to make it feel rewarding.

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